TRACY said:
Anyone itchin' for a mud-slinging, and not worried about boycotts can just change their screen name and go back to weblog.
Nobody has to know. It can be your secret.
Nobody has to know. It can be your secret.
Ryan said:
What ever shall we talk about??? Weather.com has a new interactive weather map. It's kinda like weather on a google map, you can zoom down to street level.
Dallas
http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstrav...
Wichita
http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstrav...
Dallas
http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstrav...
Wichita
http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstrav...
TRACY said:
Wow, real live people posting with real names, explanations, and color glossy photos.
How refreshing!
You mean you guys ain't afraid of internet boogeymen?
I'm not.
Have you ever experienced any problems associated with posting as yourself?
Everywhere I go, people warn me about being myself on the net, yet I don't see why.
I don't post any financial info or anything that could be used for identity theft.
I have firewalls, spamsoap and other security measures.
What should I be afraid of?
How refreshing!
You mean you guys ain't afraid of internet boogeymen?
I'm not.
Have you ever experienced any problems associated with posting as yourself?
Everywhere I go, people warn me about being myself on the net, yet I don't see why.
I don't post any financial info or anything that could be used for identity theft.
I have firewalls, spamsoap and other security measures.
What should I be afraid of?
Aaron Lynch said:
I usually use my SSN and birthdate as my username and password, so using my real name is pretty tame.
Ryan said:
I'm not too scared of showing my face on the 'net. Like you Tracy I try not to put any financial or other important information here. I did stop posting my last name, but uhhh well you can find it if you look.
I do have a website for my family and I recently took down the name of the city we live in and the birth dates of my kids. It was harmless to say so and so joined the family and such and such date, until you realize that I have potentially given some one the full name and birth date of my child, along with the city we live in. It wouldn't be too hard for someone to fake their identity from there.
I do have a website for my family and I recently took down the name of the city we live in and the birth dates of my kids. It was harmless to say so and so joined the family and such and such date, until you realize that I have potentially given some one the full name and birth date of my child, along with the city we live in. It wouldn't be too hard for someone to fake their identity from there.
Julie said:
On the family myspace account we have the kids listed, and their age. Don't really give out their names, just nicknames that we use at home son is boo or banger, oldest daughter is chickie or sweetpea and youngest is cabbage patch or mouse.
Tracy you know my kids' names and where we live and where I work. All my friends do.
Tracy you know my kids' names and where we live and where I work. All my friends do.
TRACY said:
I guess I just don't understand the net paranoia.
Yeah, somebody could get ahold of everything I've ever written, but why? Why bother? I've never written anything that I won't own up to. I don't do internet porno or other questionable stuff, so why hide?
I guess if you're a predator/stalker or something you would have lots of reasons to hide, but for the most part what I see is everyday people like Julie, who really have nothing to fear.
And I understand protecting your kids at all cost, but parents who let them roam the net freely probably also let them do as they please elsewhere.
Yeah, somebody could get ahold of everything I've ever written, but why? Why bother? I've never written anything that I won't own up to. I don't do internet porno or other questionable stuff, so why hide?
I guess if you're a predator/stalker or something you would have lots of reasons to hide, but for the most part what I see is everyday people like Julie, who really have nothing to fear.
And I understand protecting your kids at all cost, but parents who let them roam the net freely probably also let them do as they please elsewhere.
TRACY said:
And check out Aaron's instaspot.
When you hit my name, you do not get my email.
That is wonderful.
If anybody asks I'll give it to them, but it's nice that it's not automatic.
When you hit my name, you do not get my email.
That is wonderful.
If anybody asks I'll give it to them, but it's nice that it's not automatic.
Ryan said:
Yea you don't need to check out Aaron's InstantSpot, he's just a web geek. Nothing but technobabble there.
Ryan
Ryan
Dave Shuck said:
I am also one who is not terribly concerned with my internet privacy. People who follow my blog can certainly find out information about me, my address, my likes/dislikes, my kids names, etc. But in almost every walk of life people can find information on you if they are so inclined.
Dave Shuck said:
Yeah, more technobabble from mine, but I keep my personal stuff at http://daveslife.instantspot.com. In a few minutes you can read the exciting tale of my Jeep trip this past weekend. Somewhow at some level that might actually be more exciting than my technobabble.
Gster said:
If you're not aware, "The Letter" has been posted on WEB. The forthcoming comments will offer a window to the character of the posters there.
Any bets?
Any bets?
Julie said:
Gster -
I lurked for a few minutes this morning on WE Blog. It's looking like it might get nasty (not like it hasn't already gotten nasty and why we signed the letter). Remind anybody of the Wichita mayoral race?
I think the trolls/flamers are gonna claim victory and do their little victory dance and then go on about how they ran us off and then (crickets chirping in the background).
Then when we return we will be taunted with "I thought you were boycotting".
But hopefully the powers that be might realize that the system needs to be overhauled and actually do something about it.
I lurked for a few minutes this morning on WE Blog. It's looking like it might get nasty (not like it hasn't already gotten nasty and why we signed the letter). Remind anybody of the Wichita mayoral race?
I think the trolls/flamers are gonna claim victory and do their little victory dance and then go on about how they ran us off and then (crickets chirping in the background).
Then when we return we will be taunted with "I thought you were boycotting".
But hopefully the powers that be might realize that the system needs to be overhauled and actually do something about it.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Here's the thing, from my perspective. Any advertising that may be placed on WEBlog will be charged for not on the basis of number of posts, but on the number of hits to the site. Thus, even though there might be a boycott, the mere act of lurking will increase the number of hits.
I've got to get back to work, now; I truly hope that the PTB will do a registration; however, that remains to be seen.
I've got to get back to work, now; I truly hope that the PTB will do a registration; however, that remains to be seen.
Gster said:
Julie- I think you're right; they'll have to "win" irregardless of what the issue is. I'm not very optimistic.
TRACY said:
VT has a valid point.
But.....they haven't placed adds on the actual blog yet have they?
I'm not sure that their hit count is tied to anything but bragging rights, for the time being.
But.....they haven't placed adds on the actual blog yet have they?
I'm not sure that their hit count is tied to anything but bragging rights, for the time being.
Predestined said:
Julie,
Give them a few days, and they may turn on each other. They think it's fun now, but once there's no one to argue with (or debate or call names or...) they'll grow bored.
And when we do return after the boycott, as long as we all remember not to react to their taunts, we'll be fine. A simple explanation that an end date to the boycott was set previously, and that should take care of it.
Until then, they can say whatever they want. Personally, I find their comments about us rather humorous, not to mention infantile.
Everyone,
Be prepared to have anything and everything you ever posted REposted out of context.
Give them a few days, and they may turn on each other. They think it's fun now, but once there's no one to argue with (or debate or call names or...) they'll grow bored.
And when we do return after the boycott, as long as we all remember not to react to their taunts, we'll be fine. A simple explanation that an end date to the boycott was set previously, and that should take care of it.
Until then, they can say whatever they want. Personally, I find their comments about us rather humorous, not to mention infantile.
Everyone,
Be prepared to have anything and everything you ever posted REposted out of context.
Ryan said:
So it sounds like they are saying it's going to be a better place now that you are gone. Are the quotes that Fleetwood posted truly from Captain America and WSClark??
TRACY said:
Let the letter soak in for a while.
The people over there now seem to think that WE are the problem.
I have no problem staying right here at this blog.
Problem solved.
The people over there now seem to think that WE are the problem.
I have no problem staying right here at this blog.
Problem solved.
Predestined said:
Yes, Ryan, and both were in response to similar comments from the "other side". Nobody is saying we didn't participate in the problem. We all know we're complicit in it, as do they.
TRACY said:
The difference is that MOST of us lefties do feel guilty after we "go off".
I'm not going to get in a piss and post match here, but very few of the righties display anything but sociopathic behaviors.
Being conservative means you never have to say you're sorry, or wrong.
Point in case: Mr. Gonzales.
I'm not going to get in a piss and post match here, but very few of the righties display anything but sociopathic behaviors.
Being conservative means you never have to say you're sorry, or wrong.
Point in case: Mr. Gonzales.
lindainks55 said:
GS liked and valued my input. Hmmm, she never let on to anything beyond humoring the old lady without a brain. Along the line of respecting one's elders...
Why are some signees not honoring the boycott? I KNOW it is totally voluntary but thought if you signed maybe you would do what the letter stated.
If someone at WEBlog used "the google" for a search could they find us here? Many of us are using the same "nics" we used there. So, could they look in on our comments just as we are looking in on theirs?
Why are some signees not honoring the boycott? I KNOW it is totally voluntary but thought if you signed maybe you would do what the letter stated.
If someone at WEBlog used "the google" for a search could they find us here? Many of us are using the same "nics" we used there. So, could they look in on our comments just as we are looking in on theirs?
Predestined said:
I'm waiting to see when the betting pool will start. So far, we have AFN down for 2:35 today and raptor down for 7 p.m. Do I hear an 11:59 p.m.?
lindainks55 said:
wsc has posted on yesterday's Open Thread. Guess it will take us awhile to get used to this new place. Is our gracious host planning a new Open Thread daily?
Julie said:
Rox,
better his clock be off than off his rocker
teeheehee
(my smartaleckness just couldn't resist)
better his clock be off than off his rocker
teeheehee
(my smartaleckness just couldn't resist)
Dave Shuck said:
Hey, that is interesting... I will go fix the time now. At least it will be right for us CST peeps. :)
Predestined said:
Excellent!! Thank you very much.
Dave, are you a softball player? Your pic reminds me of someone I once knew who played.
Dave, are you a softball player? Your pic reminds me of someone I once knew who played.
Dave Shuck said:
No, of the sports I have played I would have to say that I sucked most at baseball/softball.
Dubya said:
I was definitely planning on opening an "Open Thread" daily...at the very least, during the week.
How goes the boycott? I used to post on WEBlog several months ago (perhaps some of you remember), but after my first troll/stolen ID incedent, I decided it wasn't worth it!
~Dubya
How goes the boycott? I used to post on WEBlog several months ago (perhaps some of you remember), but after my first troll/stolen ID incedent, I decided it wasn't worth it!
~Dubya
Dubya said:
Dave / Aaron, is there any way to change the options so that 1) it keeps your information in the "Add a Comment" field if you are logged in and b) You have the OPTION to turn off email notification?
~Dubya
~Dubya
Predestined said:
Okay, let's try that again.
--waving to CF--
Although I'd love to stay and play, I need to get some work done. Catch y'all later!
--waving to CF--
Although I'd love to stay and play, I need to get some work done. Catch y'all later!
CF said:
OK. Looks like it's shaping up to be quite a day, what with the various facets of the Administration's seven-year reign of lies and doubletalk all crashing down at once.
Of particular satisfaction is the list of major newspapers calling for the severed head of Alberto Gonzalez to be displayed from the city wall. Here's a partial list (hat tip to Josh Marshall at Talkingpointsmemo.com):
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/artic...
The next item up is the news from CF's home, Washington State, that apparently Karl Rove and the White House DID lean on the U.S. Attorney to investigate claims of Democratic 'voter fraud' in the 2004 Gubernatorial election. Digby, as always, offers the authoritative summary:
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/
And finally, I want to take back my concession to Heckler of some weeks back that the Clinton Administration's firing of all 93 U.S. Attorneys was 'unprecedented.' I spoke to a professor at WSU who assured me that it was, but this morning I see that Stuart Gerson, a former Assistant Attorney General under Bush the Elder, says that Reagan did the same thing.
"Stuart M. Gerson: There is a difference, but I do not find it to be an important or material one. It is customary for a President to replace U.S. Attorneys at the beginning of a term. Ronald Reagan replaced every sitting U.S. Attorney when he appointed his first Attorney General. President Clinton, acting through me as Acting AG, did the same thing, even with few permanent candidates in mind. What is unusual about the current situation is that it happened in the middle of a term. However, all of the incumbents had served more than the four years presumed in their original commission and, I suggest, replacing them is entirely the prerogative of the executive, as each deposed U.S. Attorney has agreed. The personel practices employed, giving inaccurate reasons for terminating them and not giving them the courtesy of notice, are, as the AG now concedes, unacceptable."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discu...
So, although Heckler isn't here to hear it, I retract my earlier retraction pending further evidence.
And, finally, the Senate has voted to do what the Senate was intended to do: deliberate. In this case, to open the discussion over the Iraq War. Here's the vote count:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_li...
Heckuva day. Feels like we're starting to have functioning institutions, instead of the ratfucked, hollow shells cultivated by the Bush Administration.
Oh. I guess I ought to ask about the profanity policy here.
Of particular satisfaction is the list of major newspapers calling for the severed head of Alberto Gonzalez to be displayed from the city wall. Here's a partial list (hat tip to Josh Marshall at Talkingpointsmemo.com):
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/artic...
The next item up is the news from CF's home, Washington State, that apparently Karl Rove and the White House DID lean on the U.S. Attorney to investigate claims of Democratic 'voter fraud' in the 2004 Gubernatorial election. Digby, as always, offers the authoritative summary:
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/
And finally, I want to take back my concession to Heckler of some weeks back that the Clinton Administration's firing of all 93 U.S. Attorneys was 'unprecedented.' I spoke to a professor at WSU who assured me that it was, but this morning I see that Stuart Gerson, a former Assistant Attorney General under Bush the Elder, says that Reagan did the same thing.
"Stuart M. Gerson: There is a difference, but I do not find it to be an important or material one. It is customary for a President to replace U.S. Attorneys at the beginning of a term. Ronald Reagan replaced every sitting U.S. Attorney when he appointed his first Attorney General. President Clinton, acting through me as Acting AG, did the same thing, even with few permanent candidates in mind. What is unusual about the current situation is that it happened in the middle of a term. However, all of the incumbents had served more than the four years presumed in their original commission and, I suggest, replacing them is entirely the prerogative of the executive, as each deposed U.S. Attorney has agreed. The personel practices employed, giving inaccurate reasons for terminating them and not giving them the courtesy of notice, are, as the AG now concedes, unacceptable."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discu...
So, although Heckler isn't here to hear it, I retract my earlier retraction pending further evidence.
And, finally, the Senate has voted to do what the Senate was intended to do: deliberate. In this case, to open the discussion over the Iraq War. Here's the vote count:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_li...
Heckuva day. Feels like we're starting to have functioning institutions, instead of the ratfucked, hollow shells cultivated by the Bush Administration.
Oh. I guess I ought to ask about the profanity policy here.
WSClark said:
Okay, now I am on the right thread......
Thanks Linda and VT for the kind words about ID theft problem. I have already spoken to KS about it and now I have to enter the dark, mysterious world of the IRS. Interestingly enough, neither the State nor the Feds prosecute that type of theft. They consider it to be a civil matter. I will have to pursue the criminal aspect through the local LE.
I know who did it - rhymes with Rex Knife - but still pisses me off big time. It amounts to about $4K which is a few bucks to a low-life liberal like me. Besides, I promised my son a PS3.
Anyway, I am about to descend into the world of the IRS. If you don't hear from me for a while, send someone in after me!
Keep it real!
Will
Thanks Linda and VT for the kind words about ID theft problem. I have already spoken to KS about it and now I have to enter the dark, mysterious world of the IRS. Interestingly enough, neither the State nor the Feds prosecute that type of theft. They consider it to be a civil matter. I will have to pursue the criminal aspect through the local LE.
I know who did it - rhymes with Rex Knife - but still pisses me off big time. It amounts to about $4K which is a few bucks to a low-life liberal like me. Besides, I promised my son a PS3.
Anyway, I am about to descend into the world of the IRS. If you don't hear from me for a while, send someone in after me!
Keep it real!
Will
lindainks55 said:
CF,
Good info! Thanks. It is high time a little light was shed on at least some of the darker corners of the Bush Administration.
So your home is Washington State. My grandson is there attending Whitman College. This is his first year and he is doing well. Whitman is in Walla Walla and on the east side of a mountain range that seems to keep some of that wet and dreary weather on the west coast. Other than being far from home and beginning that wonderful part of life called college he has been spelunking, rafting and rock climbing. Those are the new activities he shares with me. lol I'm positive there have been other new activities!
Good info! Thanks. It is high time a little light was shed on at least some of the darker corners of the Bush Administration.
So your home is Washington State. My grandson is there attending Whitman College. This is his first year and he is doing well. Whitman is in Walla Walla and on the east side of a mountain range that seems to keep some of that wet and dreary weather on the west coast. Other than being far from home and beginning that wonderful part of life called college he has been spelunking, rafting and rock climbing. Those are the new activities he shares with me. lol I'm positive there have been other new activities!
Predestined said:
Wishing you the best of luck, Will.
If you go down to the local IRS office, expect a wait. And a scanner when you go in the door.
If you go down to the local IRS office, expect a wait. And a scanner when you go in the door.
CapnAmerica said:
Okay, I also e-mailed the "declaration of independence" to Brownlee, Holman, and Schofield.
This is working, people.
Do a bone-dig into how many posts followed the open threads last week . . . one of them was over 500!
No way is that going to happen now.
I figure it'll take about three days for things to really slow down.
And then they'll know we mean business, and we're not going to take it anymore.
This is working, people.
Do a bone-dig into how many posts followed the open threads last week . . . one of them was over 500!
No way is that going to happen now.
I figure it'll take about three days for things to really slow down.
And then they'll know we mean business, and we're not going to take it anymore.
CapnAmerica said:
BTW, the trollers enjoy trolling. They aren't terribly political.
Now that we're not there any more, the reich-wingers may start to feel our pain . . .
Now that we're not there any more, the reich-wingers may start to feel our pain . . .
TRACY said:
We ALL got here from one simple act of kindness.
I followed dubya's link from weblog and posted a couple of times.
He was nice enough yo fire off an email thanking me for my interest, the rest is history.
CF.....If it don't seema be on, whack it a couple a times....might be the batrie ya know.
(this is what us big time engineers call "percussive maintenance")
I followed dubya's link from weblog and posted a couple of times.
He was nice enough yo fire off an email thanking me for my interest, the rest is history.
CF.....If it don't seema be on, whack it a couple a times....might be the batrie ya know.
(this is what us big time engineers call "percussive maintenance")
Vaughn Tolle said:
CF, in response to your retraction of your retraction; the normal policy, from who knows how long, is for a new Administration to replace U.S. Attorneys (if so desired) as the term of each expires. Taking the Clinton Administration's action as an example, the only unusual thing about what happened was that it was done all at the same time.
The issue for me is the timing involved, together with the (imho) impermissible contact from members of Congress to Iglecias. As to the timing, it appears from published reports as to the email traffic between the White House and DOJ, the now-resigned COS to Gonzalez pushed for an exercise of the new authority under the provision of the Reauthorization of the Patriot Act on the grounds, IIRC, that "if we don't exercise this now, when will we exercise it" or words to that effect. The New Mexico matter is troublesome, given that the investigation was of Democratic politicians, the election was on the horizon, and the two Republican members were pushing for indictments pre-election.
The issue for me is the timing involved, together with the (imho) impermissible contact from members of Congress to Iglecias. As to the timing, it appears from published reports as to the email traffic between the White House and DOJ, the now-resigned COS to Gonzalez pushed for an exercise of the new authority under the provision of the Reauthorization of the Patriot Act on the grounds, IIRC, that "if we don't exercise this now, when will we exercise it" or words to that effect. The New Mexico matter is troublesome, given that the investigation was of Democratic politicians, the election was on the horizon, and the two Republican members were pushing for indictments pre-election.
Dave Shuck said:
Dubya... that is a known issue with InstantSpot sites that are using domain aliasing such as yours that points to wichitavoice.com. For instance if you view the same entry/thread from http://wichita.instantspot.com you will see that it does actually populate that info if you are logged in. This is a known issue and we are working on a solution for it but it is not yet complete as of ths time.
longhorn said:
I think things are slowing down over there already. OK, I confess, I peeked!!
Vaughn, there was a great post at DU today connecting the dots with Carol Lam and the Duke Cunningham, ET AL investigation. Seems like she was looking at lots of defense contracting fraud with Wilkes and Foggo and their fake companies and so on. She was getting waaaayyy too close to the military/industrial/congressional cabal, so she had to go.
But while they were at it, they decided a litte lesson in loyalty might be good preventative maintenance in case any other USA's were feeling froggy.
Like Tracy said, I think that's percussive maintenance they were practicing!
I'll see if I can find the link. Oh, and BTW, you know Vaughn I have real affection and respect for you and I love your posts. If any of you havent seen the open thread at the weblog today, the lawyers are holding court over there in a most civilized way.
...and you can almost hear the other posters snoring!
Good strategy Vaughn. :)
Vaughn, there was a great post at DU today connecting the dots with Carol Lam and the Duke Cunningham, ET AL investigation. Seems like she was looking at lots of defense contracting fraud with Wilkes and Foggo and their fake companies and so on. She was getting waaaayyy too close to the military/industrial/congressional cabal, so she had to go.
But while they were at it, they decided a litte lesson in loyalty might be good preventative maintenance in case any other USA's were feeling froggy.
Like Tracy said, I think that's percussive maintenance they were practicing!
I'll see if I can find the link. Oh, and BTW, you know Vaughn I have real affection and respect for you and I love your posts. If any of you havent seen the open thread at the weblog today, the lawyers are holding court over there in a most civilized way.
...and you can almost hear the other posters snoring!
Good strategy Vaughn. :)
longhorn said:
JR, if you are here, this one is for you about bush in mexico. The comments are roll on the floor funny.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboa...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboa...
longhorn said:
oops, sorry RD, this is farmgrrl. I'm feeling homesick for tejas so I thought I'd switch nics for a while. I just figured you'd recognize me. Geez, it's true! On the internet, no one knows you are a dog...
And another really funny discussion about bush "looting" in mexico. Once again, the comments are the funniest part.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboa...
And another really funny discussion about bush "looting" in mexico. Once again, the comments are the funniest part.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboa...
longhorn said:
Sorry to be pimping DU here but I think this USA firing stuff could grow into something.
And who would be surprised to learn that it is also linked to the beginning of the Abramoff investigation?
http://www.house.gov/georgemiller/rel031307.html
House Committee Chairmen Say Probe of Fired U.S. Attorneys Should Include Abramoff Case
WASHINGTON – Two House committee chairmen called today for the congressional probe into the firing of eight U.S. Attorneys to be widened to include the case of an acting U.S. Attorney demoted in 2002 after he began investigating the now-convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff and his dealings with Guam and the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands (CNMI).
Rep. George Miller (D-CA), the Education and Labor Committee chairman, and Rep. Nick Rahall (D-W.Va.), the Natural Resources Committee chairman, have repeatedly pressed for a full investigation of Abramoff’s dealings with the CNMI and its sweatshop industry and of the demotion of Fred Black, the then-acting U.S. Attorney for Guam and the CNMI.
Miller and Rahall said that what looked initially to them as another example of Abramoff’s excesses as a corrupt lobbyist exploiting his deep ties to the Bush Administration and the Republican-controlled Congress might in fact be part of a widespread pattern of tampering with the work of U.S. Attorneys.
Press reports and leaked emails indicated that the Bush Administration may have replaced Black because he was conducting a criminal investigation of Abramoff and his clients, and because he favored insular area policies that Abramoff and his clients opposed. Abramoff also reportedly helped to quash a classified Justice Department report that Black requested on security threats posed by CNMI’s immigration policy."
And who would be surprised to learn that it is also linked to the beginning of the Abramoff investigation?
http://www.house.gov/georgemiller/rel031307.html
House Committee Chairmen Say Probe of Fired U.S. Attorneys Should Include Abramoff Case
WASHINGTON – Two House committee chairmen called today for the congressional probe into the firing of eight U.S. Attorneys to be widened to include the case of an acting U.S. Attorney demoted in 2002 after he began investigating the now-convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff and his dealings with Guam and the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands (CNMI).
Rep. George Miller (D-CA), the Education and Labor Committee chairman, and Rep. Nick Rahall (D-W.Va.), the Natural Resources Committee chairman, have repeatedly pressed for a full investigation of Abramoff’s dealings with the CNMI and its sweatshop industry and of the demotion of Fred Black, the then-acting U.S. Attorney for Guam and the CNMI.
Miller and Rahall said that what looked initially to them as another example of Abramoff’s excesses as a corrupt lobbyist exploiting his deep ties to the Bush Administration and the Republican-controlled Congress might in fact be part of a widespread pattern of tampering with the work of U.S. Attorneys.
Press reports and leaked emails indicated that the Bush Administration may have replaced Black because he was conducting a criminal investigation of Abramoff and his clients, and because he favored insular area policies that Abramoff and his clients opposed. Abramoff also reportedly helped to quash a classified Justice Department report that Black requested on security threats posed by CNMI’s immigration policy."
Predestined said:
I suspected it was you after I posted that. Forgive me. I'm often very dense. It's the blonde, ya know. ;)
Vaughn Tolle said:
longhorn, I'm blushing! Thank you ever so much for your kind words; in the words of a (now deceased) law professor I had, "You do the best you can".
Thank you, too, for the link on the Carol Lam issue. As a matter of timing (this from memory), two days before her abrupt firing, indictments were returned against the former #3 at CIA and the contractor involved in the Duke Cunningham matter.
While issues of voter fraud are important, I submit that issues of public corruption are perhaps more important. The first, unless widespread, have an effect, but not an overwhelming one, on the elections. The latter affects all of our confidence in government and its functions.
Gotta get back to work.
Thank you, too, for the link on the Carol Lam issue. As a matter of timing (this from memory), two days before her abrupt firing, indictments were returned against the former #3 at CIA and the contractor involved in the Duke Cunningham matter.
While issues of voter fraud are important, I submit that issues of public corruption are perhaps more important. The first, unless widespread, have an effect, but not an overwhelming one, on the elections. The latter affects all of our confidence in government and its functions.
Gotta get back to work.
Gster said:
Longhorn- Icould tell your identity by the accent on the heheheh!
PS- I was born in Ft. Wawwth!
PS- I was born in Ft. Wawwth!
longhorn said:
Yeah Vaughn, I gotta get back to shoveling chicken poop too, and hauling it into the compost pile near the garden. As my Dad would say, "so much for that fancy education I paid for!".
However, the day is not complete for me without a laugh from the rude one. The first rant is about AG the AG, and the rest of his rants speak for themselves.
You know the language he uses, so be forwarned. Not for the faint of heart or delicate sensibilities.
http://www.rudepundit.blogspot.com/
However, the day is not complete for me without a laugh from the rude one. The first rant is about AG the AG, and the rest of his rants speak for themselves.
You know the language he uses, so be forwarned. Not for the faint of heart or delicate sensibilities.
http://www.rudepundit.blogspot.com/
longhorn said:
See gster, I knew I liked you for MORE than one reason! Ft. Worth, is, I believe, the home of Delbert McClinton? Good company there!
I gotta say, I kinda like it here. I may never go back to the weblog. But if I do, I will certainly go back as farmgrrl. I'm just taking a break here with the new nic. Reconnecting with my inner texas as it were :)
I gotta say, I kinda like it here. I may never go back to the weblog. But if I do, I will certainly go back as farmgrrl. I'm just taking a break here with the new nic. Reconnecting with my inner texas as it were :)
Gster said:
Longhorn- Good reply. I like the blues and have played guitar (?) forever, but I never have gotten around to getting Delbert McClinton's stuff. I guess I'm not living right. Go figure!
Dubya said:
Haha...inner-Texan. I'll have to remember that. The next time I hear that Texas drawl here in Wichita, I'll remind myself they are falling back on their Inner-Texan. :)
~Dubya
~Dubya
CF said:
So, a tech question: how do I turn off the function which notifies me whenever someone posts to the blog?
VT,
Agreed, though it's now a bona fide Wingnut talking point that prior to Clinton, all 93 had never been let go simultaneously, which doesn't jive with what Gerson says above. I'm still looking for a comprehensive take on the history of this policy.
But it is, of course, less of an issue than the one you rightly highlight, which is the political steerage of Federal prosecutions from within the political shop (ah, what the hell, it's ALL political under President Rove) at the White House. The more I hear, the worse it sounds. This "Administration" just seems hellbent on doing whatever they can, whenever they can, to game the system however they can.
The fact that RepubiKKKhan had NO reply when I distinguished the political APPOINTMENTS process from the apolitical PROSECUTORIAL process just shows how debased the Repubimind has become. That is, 'can' now implies 'ought' when it comes to using nonpartisan levers of power for partisan ends.
It's been a long time coming, getting to this point of discrediting our institutions and delegitimating them in the pursuit of unchecked, sovereign power. This is what I refer to when I use the word 'ratfucking' in conjunction with the all-out GOP assault on nonpartisan institutionality and separation of powers.
We are in agreement as to the basic issue here, which is the legitimacy--or not--of the rule of law. Without that, nothing else much matters. And while I am encouraged to see some of the institutional pushback by Congressional Democrats, they need to go much, much further. It is going to take a very long time to undo what Rove/Bush/Cheney have done to public confidence in our institutions.
VT,
Agreed, though it's now a bona fide Wingnut talking point that prior to Clinton, all 93 had never been let go simultaneously, which doesn't jive with what Gerson says above. I'm still looking for a comprehensive take on the history of this policy.
But it is, of course, less of an issue than the one you rightly highlight, which is the political steerage of Federal prosecutions from within the political shop (ah, what the hell, it's ALL political under President Rove) at the White House. The more I hear, the worse it sounds. This "Administration" just seems hellbent on doing whatever they can, whenever they can, to game the system however they can.
The fact that RepubiKKKhan had NO reply when I distinguished the political APPOINTMENTS process from the apolitical PROSECUTORIAL process just shows how debased the Repubimind has become. That is, 'can' now implies 'ought' when it comes to using nonpartisan levers of power for partisan ends.
It's been a long time coming, getting to this point of discrediting our institutions and delegitimating them in the pursuit of unchecked, sovereign power. This is what I refer to when I use the word 'ratfucking' in conjunction with the all-out GOP assault on nonpartisan institutionality and separation of powers.
We are in agreement as to the basic issue here, which is the legitimacy--or not--of the rule of law. Without that, nothing else much matters. And while I am encouraged to see some of the institutional pushback by Congressional Democrats, they need to go much, much further. It is going to take a very long time to undo what Rove/Bush/Cheney have done to public confidence in our institutions.
longhorn said:
hee hee hee dubya!
One time I flew to Michigan, checked into a hotel, my reservation was all screwed up, so I started to complain. The desk guy looked at me with such compassion and said "you're not from here are you? I can tell by the southern accent".
So when I left, I flew to Arkansas, checked into ANOTHER hotel, the reservation was wrong AGAIN. Of course, when I complained, the clerk looked at me sadly and said "yer just not from her, are ya? I can tell by your YANKEE accent".
heheheheh. WTF? Talk about a woman without a home!
And I always thought a midwest accent is neutral. OF course, my folks spoke german at home, so NOW I sound like a fight in front of the UN.
Maybe that is why I swear so much? The universal language......
One time I flew to Michigan, checked into a hotel, my reservation was all screwed up, so I started to complain. The desk guy looked at me with such compassion and said "you're not from here are you? I can tell by the southern accent".
So when I left, I flew to Arkansas, checked into ANOTHER hotel, the reservation was wrong AGAIN. Of course, when I complained, the clerk looked at me sadly and said "yer just not from her, are ya? I can tell by your YANKEE accent".
heheheheh. WTF? Talk about a woman without a home!
And I always thought a midwest accent is neutral. OF course, my folks spoke german at home, so NOW I sound like a fight in front of the UN.
Maybe that is why I swear so much? The universal language......
Vaughn Tolle said:
CF, just dropped in for a moment. It's all about that "Unitary Executive" theory, don'cha know?
WSClark said:
So Farmie, my love, are you ASHAMED that Geroge W Bush is from Texas?
Careful now, we may have to boycott you (!?!?!)
Careful now, we may have to boycott you (!?!?!)
Gster said:
Longhorn- Explain to WSC the difference between Texans and pissants (Big hat- no cattle)!
longhorn said:
OMG, I worked closely with the Richards administration, so you can IMAGINE how I feel about the preznit. Ann Richards was the last real governor of texas. The ones since then? Pissants.
Yes, DEEPLY ashamed that he SAYS he is from texas. He's really just a yankee prep school boy.
Yes, DEEPLY ashamed that he SAYS he is from texas. He's really just a yankee prep school boy.
TRACY said:
Yeah, he's from connecticut ain't he?
Annie was the greatest.
She had much larger balls than I do.
Annie was the greatest.
She had much larger balls than I do.
longhorn said:
I tell ya Tracy, you didnt want those steely eyes directed at YOU!!!! She had those "mama" eyes where she could cut you a look and you knew you better STFU.
And she and one of her speech writers were the funniest humans I ever met. And that didnt even INCLUDE Molly.
And on another note, the wind is now about 40mph so I have given up scooping and hauling the chicken poop. So much nicer in here....
And she and one of her speech writers were the funniest humans I ever met. And that didnt even INCLUDE Molly.
And on another note, the wind is now about 40mph so I have given up scooping and hauling the chicken poop. So much nicer in here....
WSClark said:
I did love Ann Richards - what a character!!!! I really miss Molly and her. If those weren't two tough old broads (that's a compliment) then I don't know who would qualify.
Dubya said:
RE: The auto-subscribe function. I am working with the admins to get that function fixed. You are supposed to actually click the button in order to get those emails...but at the moment it seems to be auto-subscribing everyone.
With 79 posts, everyone is getting slammed!!! Sorry about that! I'll check into it and report soon!
~Dubya
With 79 posts, everyone is getting slammed!!! Sorry about that! I'll check into it and report soon!
~Dubya
Vaughn Tolle said:
A thought for those using Firefox as their browser, and perhaps for IE users, too; to "kinda, sorta" overcome the remember my information lack, if one has the Google toolbar installed, one may use the "AutoFill" function to enter only those things selected in yellow, e.g., Name and Email. One merely supplies the correct information in the AutoFill dropdown, and whenever confronted with the dreaded boxes, click on Autofill and there 'tis. Your friendly, kinda geeky, legal department.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Additionally, one may (hopefully) set up an appropriate filter in one's email (on a temporary basis until the techies figure out how to turn off the auto-subscribe) to direct all the emails from InfoSpot into one's trash. I've done this for now, awaiting the fix. HTH.
CF said:
VT,
Indeed. One man's 'unitary executive' is another man's not-so-benevolent despot.
This "Administration" is a like a renegade Hoover, sucking up whatever power it can that anyone just happened to leave lying around.
Indeed. One man's 'unitary executive' is another man's not-so-benevolent despot.
This "Administration" is a like a renegade Hoover, sucking up whatever power it can that anyone just happened to leave lying around.
TRACY said:
Soooo......Aaron and dubya,
seems the invasion is just what the doc ordered to work out the kinks in instaspot.
We're not going to tell all these unsuspecting liberals that I took advantage of their good nature, (and the check's in the mail) are we?
I hope not. They would be pissed. Ha!
seems the invasion is just what the doc ordered to work out the kinks in instaspot.
We're not going to tell all these unsuspecting liberals that I took advantage of their good nature, (and the check's in the mail) are we?
I hope not. They would be pissed. Ha!
Ryan said:
85 comments.. this might be a new InstantSpot record!!! Dave, Aaron, can we get a ruling?
CF said:
Ryan, Dave, Aaron,
You now know the kind of people you're dealing with: we WeBlog expatriates are compulsive and have too much time on our hands.
You now know the kind of people you're dealing with: we WeBlog expatriates are compulsive and have too much time on our hands.
darwinsdisciple said:
The consensus on NPR programs today wasn't that the Bush administration did what they couldn't do, in firing the US attourneys, it was that the lied for two straight weeks that the firings had nothing to do with politics. Then those emails were found showing that politics was the exclusive reason for doing what they did. The cover-up is worse than the crime: a lesson never learned in D.C.
The other story on NPR today was the A.G.'s non-apology. "1) Mistakes were made, 2) I am responsible, 3) and since number 2 is true, I fired my assistant, 4) I wouldn't have done a thing different if given the chance (negating or affirming? The A.G.'s non-apology, apology)." Bushco is the home of some crazy mothers, no?
The other story on NPR today was the A.G.'s non-apology. "1) Mistakes were made, 2) I am responsible, 3) and since number 2 is true, I fired my assistant, 4) I wouldn't have done a thing different if given the chance (negating or affirming? The A.G.'s non-apology, apology)." Bushco is the home of some crazy mothers, no?
CF said:
DD,
From what you say, it sounds like I am confirmed in my decision to opt out of listening to / supporting NPR. They have become incapable of reporting anything, or in any way, that falls outside of the conventionally-generated DC media frames.
In this case, I believe the crime is as bad or worse than the cover-up, since it amounts to the politicization of Federal prosecutions, which is a big, big deal. By saying that the 'cover-up is worse than the crime,' NPR is tacitly underwriting the assumption that political appointees are legitimate instruments of an Administration's political machinations, which is very much NOT the precedent or the case.
Gonzales needs to GO. Now. I'm glad this didn't happen on a Friday, to disappear down the news dump memory hole.
From what you say, it sounds like I am confirmed in my decision to opt out of listening to / supporting NPR. They have become incapable of reporting anything, or in any way, that falls outside of the conventionally-generated DC media frames.
In this case, I believe the crime is as bad or worse than the cover-up, since it amounts to the politicization of Federal prosecutions, which is a big, big deal. By saying that the 'cover-up is worse than the crime,' NPR is tacitly underwriting the assumption that political appointees are legitimate instruments of an Administration's political machinations, which is very much NOT the precedent or the case.
Gonzales needs to GO. Now. I'm glad this didn't happen on a Friday, to disappear down the news dump memory hole.
Dave Shuck said:
@CF - We are happy to have you guys here and want to make it as comfortable as possible. We get problems knocked out as soon as we are aware of them but we are a small team. I am almost done with the subscription issue, but it will likely not be rolled into production until late tonight. Input such as that coming from your group has helped us shape InstantSpot into its current form and will continue to do so from now on. Thanks for everyone's patience.
Gster said:
Yesterday on ABC news, there was a story about "Curve Ball", the source of much of our chemical/biological info regarding WMDs. I didn't know that upto the time Colin Powell was testifying to Congress and making his UN speech, neither our Military or Intelligence people has actually talked to Curve Ball. The CIA was shown stating they were skeptical about his validity and accuracy. When Curve Ball was finally reached face to face with our guys, he admitted he was making it all up for the payments received!
This single guy was most, if not all ,the non-nuclear upcry regarding WMDs!
Cherrypicking intelligence, anyone?
This single guy was most, if not all ,the non-nuclear upcry regarding WMDs!
Cherrypicking intelligence, anyone?
CF said:
Gster,
Indeed. Incredible, isn't it?
Saddam was a very bad man! He gassed his own people! The Iraqis will welcome us with open arms as liberators!
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Even when the principals go on record with totally discrediting testimony, the Administration sails on to the next thing without skipping a beat.
Indeed. Incredible, isn't it?
Saddam was a very bad man! He gassed his own people! The Iraqis will welcome us with open arms as liberators!
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Even when the principals go on record with totally discrediting testimony, the Administration sails on to the next thing without skipping a beat.
TRACY said:
GSTER~~HA!
old toad?
I'm sure that's a redneck term of endearment.
CF~~compulsive? ABSOLUTELY!
Too much time?
NO WAY!
I'm waaaay to busy being complusive.
HA!
old toad?
I'm sure that's a redneck term of endearment.
CF~~compulsive? ABSOLUTELY!
Too much time?
NO WAY!
I'm waaaay to busy being complusive.
HA!
TRACY said:
I remember the first time I posted here,
there was some talk about getting lots of hits that day.
Wait for it........
200 HITS in one day!
Yes, I would imagine a few records are being trashed as we speak, but certainly not at WE Blog!
there was some talk about getting lots of hits that day.
Wait for it........
200 HITS in one day!
Yes, I would imagine a few records are being trashed as we speak, but certainly not at WE Blog!
longhorn said:
Thanks to the instaspot folks on this site for hosting us. We are prolific if nothing else. With no ankle biters, who knows how many posts we could generate.
But I am STILL not getting out of this bathrobe!
But I am STILL not getting out of this bathrobe!
TRACY said:
I wonder if the W.E. will do an article about all this?
As boring as Kanass can be, it may be the top story.
As boring as Kanass can be, it may be the top story.
lindainks55 said:
Does anyone know MoneyHawk? I sure miss those posts. Just read a couple at "that" place on the don't ask, don't tell thread.
Thank you instaspot!
And, when we first arrived here one of you instaspot people said something about the "lib" part of us. Fess up! Which one of you is the conservative? We honestly don't bite, we would just try to show you why you're wrong.
Thank you instaspot!
And, when we first arrived here one of you instaspot people said something about the "lib" part of us. Fess up! Which one of you is the conservative? We honestly don't bite, we would just try to show you why you're wrong.
Gster said:
Longhorn- You've been hauling chicken crap in a robe?
Not really in the robe, with a wheel barrow in a robe?
That's the wild west fer sure!
Not really in the robe, with a wheel barrow in a robe?
That's the wild west fer sure!
Vaughn Tolle said:
Linda, as a former military legal type, I've made two minor contributions to it; however, I have an observation: no one has mentioned the loss of 50 Arabic liguists at a time when, IIRC from something I heard/read, there were only 54 or so available in the entire military. At a time when the need to obtain accurate translations of "field intel" cannot be more crucial, is it a bigger threat to national security to have openly gay members and translator capability or to not have openly gay members and no ability to translate?
TRACY said:
I just checked in on the picket line.
The wingers are jumping with joy, making up all kindsa goodies about why we left.
My thoughts?
WHO CARES!
Shewt Longhorn, maybe it was just time for a change.
Besides, theysa sayin we'll come back with our heads down. I don't wanna make them right.
The wingers are jumping with joy, making up all kindsa goodies about why we left.
My thoughts?
WHO CARES!
Shewt Longhorn, maybe it was just time for a change.
Besides, theysa sayin we'll come back with our heads down. I don't wanna make them right.
Gster said:
VT- Indeed- "those people" surely are more of a "risk" than what they might glean from the intelligence they analyze.
Don't you "feel safer", even as we speak??
Otherwise, we might have a faulty intelligence driven fiasco, if that's even possible!
Don't you "feel safer", even as we speak??
Otherwise, we might have a faulty intelligence driven fiasco, if that's even possible!
WSClark said:
I'm lurking around on WE Blog in between phone calls - those folks are hilarious! The chief proponent of civil discourse is (tada!) Republican!!!! This is a guy who's very first post was a shot at J R, Capn' and me.
Now he is the patron saint of debating by the rules of decorum. Hearlander, Raptor and SOB do not want us allowed back, but Heartlander agrees that there should be controls on trollers. Fleetwood has not got any smarter since yesterday, but he is also claiming innocence when it comes to flaming. All of those poor, poor conservatives. If we mean old liberals had just been nicer to them, it would be a perfect world.
For me, I am not going back to WE Blog. From the numbers, it looks like they have about a third of their normal posts, if that. They just went from 5th to 93rd.
Life goes on - back to the phone.
..... and away we go!
Will
Now he is the patron saint of debating by the rules of decorum. Hearlander, Raptor and SOB do not want us allowed back, but Heartlander agrees that there should be controls on trollers. Fleetwood has not got any smarter since yesterday, but he is also claiming innocence when it comes to flaming. All of those poor, poor conservatives. If we mean old liberals had just been nicer to them, it would be a perfect world.
For me, I am not going back to WE Blog. From the numbers, it looks like they have about a third of their normal posts, if that. They just went from 5th to 93rd.
Life goes on - back to the phone.
..... and away we go!
Will
WSClark said:
By the way, whenever someone unknown posts, the wingers are accusing them of being one of us. So far, I guess my new name is Tom, at least according to Fleetwood.
Dave Shuck said:
Linda - I clearly fall more on the side of conservatism than liberalism. However my conservatism is not represented by the Republican party, if there are still folks who believe that it is still conservative. My views clearly fall more in line with the Libertarian Party. Essentially, I guarantee myself disappointment at each election. :)
It is also very difficult to get me into a political debate on "teh internets". :)
It is also very difficult to get me into a political debate on "teh internets". :)
longhorn said:
heheheheeh yeah, that's Tom Witt, the head of Kansas Equality. He is a really great guy, totally one of us. I dont think he posts regularly, and I didnt even think he was a lurker. Maybe he is just picking up because we are gone? I dont know. But I saw that they thought he was clark. heheheheheh
Gster, the bathrobe is my blogging costume. You have to come out here if you want to see my farming costume. Think Village People. Leather boots, dykey tool belt, pliars and pocket knife, motorcycle cap, riding crop, chaps, oops, scratch the last three... hehehehheehhe
Gster, the bathrobe is my blogging costume. You have to come out here if you want to see my farming costume. Think Village People. Leather boots, dykey tool belt, pliars and pocket knife, motorcycle cap, riding crop, chaps, oops, scratch the last three... hehehehheehhe
WSClark said:
Dang, Farm Grrl, you PAINT a pretty picture, it's too bad that I am too OLD for you! (triple wink!)
lindainks55 said:
Dave,
Each of the new posters are so different we arg... discuss with each other! Maybe the only subject we agree on is bush&co. Well, and that we don't have to agree to share, learn, and have fun.
It's nice to meet you! Sorry we won't get to talk about politics with you, but we'll find your area of interest, or you could just share it with us and we can get started getting to know you.
Each of the new posters are so different we arg... discuss with each other! Maybe the only subject we agree on is bush&co. Well, and that we don't have to agree to share, learn, and have fun.
It's nice to meet you! Sorry we won't get to talk about politics with you, but we'll find your area of interest, or you could just share it with us and we can get started getting to know you.
longhorn said:
HA! Yeah clark, yer just a couple of years older than I am, but there is that problem of you having the wrong equipment :) Not that the equipment is wrong, of course, but not right for me. I know. Too much information. Never mind. :)
longhorn said:
I did notice Ryan, and I was going to post an apology that we have been self centered and not commented on his post. As for myself, I'm not informed about Wichita politics. But I know some of the regulars here are. Maybe they would like to comment?
If Vaughn is the legal dept :) perhaps I am the director of snark. Tracy would be the chief 'o staff and KING of snark.
I also double in the rant department some days. And I serve chow in the cafeteria on Thursdays...
If Vaughn is the legal dept :) perhaps I am the director of snark. Tracy would be the chief 'o staff and KING of snark.
I also double in the rant department some days. And I serve chow in the cafeteria on Thursdays...
lindainks55 said:
Ah, progress on the email notification! We now get three or four emails for each post. All that you need do is reverse the fix. You guys are good!
lindainks55 said:
Above was a compliment honestly. It's obvious you're working on it and that is amazing to me. Trying is always better than ignoring.
Dave Shuck said:
OK, guys the fix is in place. If you click unsubscribe on the email that was generated from this comment you will no longer be subscribed to this thread. Please note, however that there is a checkbox to subscribe when you make a new comment. Make sure that is unchecked on your future comments or you will be re-subscribed.
Sorry for all the email, but you guys have set a new comment record today and we weren't aware of the problem previously.
Holler at us (nicely) with any future issues....
~Dave
Sorry for all the email, but you guys have set a new comment record today and we weren't aware of the problem previously.
Holler at us (nicely) with any future issues....
~Dave
Predestined said:
I'm wiping tears of laughter from my eyes.
Raptor has posted that if our demands are not met, we are not coming back. Is HE in for a surprise!
SOB isn't going to invite us back. ROFLMAO Since when did HE invite us to join?
At present, they seem to think it's all wonderful, and they're having such a good time. I polished up my crystal ball, and it's telling me that in another 2-3 days, they'll be tired of agreeing with each other.
Is there a difference between Republican and Republikhan? I can't seem to decide.
And I just LOVE Hankie's "I'm always so nice and polite" garbage. He of the knife twisting. Throw personal insults and then finish with "I still love ya..." Oh, man. --wiping those tears again--
Raptor has posted that if our demands are not met, we are not coming back. Is HE in for a surprise!
SOB isn't going to invite us back. ROFLMAO Since when did HE invite us to join?
At present, they seem to think it's all wonderful, and they're having such a good time. I polished up my crystal ball, and it's telling me that in another 2-3 days, they'll be tired of agreeing with each other.
Is there a difference between Republican and Republikhan? I can't seem to decide.
And I just LOVE Hankie's "I'm always so nice and polite" garbage. He of the knife twisting. Throw personal insults and then finish with "I still love ya..." Oh, man. --wiping those tears again--
WSClark said:
Thanks for having us, Dave. As a group, and some of us individually, we can be a handful, but we will try to behave.
Vaughn Tolle said:
I think, Predestined, you are correct; there are signs of incipient ennui appearing on several threads.
longhorn said:
Agreed predestined. Damn that is one nic that is hard to shorten up!
We alredy have more posts here than they have on their open thread. I think they are already getting bored with each other. IF we are patient and hang together for the full two weeks, I think it will have an inpact.
They are all hunky dory now because they agree with each other on everything. I think the pot stirrers will get tired of that. I predict traffic will pick up there, and maybe here, after five. And it will pick up a little tomorrow, but I think it will slow even more after that.
I am howling though at their self righteous indignation. As for me? Ribeye and Makers Mark tonight!!! Wish you all were here....
We alredy have more posts here than they have on their open thread. I think they are already getting bored with each other. IF we are patient and hang together for the full two weeks, I think it will have an inpact.
They are all hunky dory now because they agree with each other on everything. I think the pot stirrers will get tired of that. I predict traffic will pick up there, and maybe here, after five. And it will pick up a little tomorrow, but I think it will slow even more after that.
I am howling though at their self righteous indignation. As for me? Ribeye and Makers Mark tonight!!! Wish you all were here....
longhorn said:
"Holler at us (nicely) with any future issues...."
Hey, we always hollar nicely! Actually, we are on our best behavior 'cause we are your guests and you have already been such gracious hosts.
Just wait until we feel at home and get comfortable. BTW, do you mind if I take off my shoes? They really dont go with my bathrobe, but I put them on to be polite!
And unlike Bolton, I dont have holes in my socks :)
Hey, we always hollar nicely! Actually, we are on our best behavior 'cause we are your guests and you have already been such gracious hosts.
Just wait until we feel at home and get comfortable. BTW, do you mind if I take off my shoes? They really dont go with my bathrobe, but I put them on to be polite!
And unlike Bolton, I dont have holes in my socks :)
Predestined said:
"longhorn" tee hee hook 'em horns!
Shorten it to Pre. That's what they've done in chat, where I'm pre_destin_ed.
Shorten it to Pre. That's what they've done in chat, where I'm pre_destin_ed.
CapnAmerica said:
Yup, the only thing anybody's talking about on the Open thread is the boycott.
Rising up indignately against the Left is the only thing they got.
Rising up indignately against the Left is the only thing they got.
lindainks55 said:
I do hate the need to be led by the hand. I clicked on the "unsubscribe" link and it took me to a page that told me I had NOT been unsubcribed and to be sure I had copied the address correctly... I didn't copy it, I clicked it soooo I tried the copying into the address line with the same results.
First VT leads me to the little box -- THANKS VT!, and now I can't get the simplest "fix" done. Did the rest of you ALL get this?? Am I alone.
Grumble, gripe, complain. My daughter teaches tomorrow's teachers to use technology in the classroom. Maybe I could ask her input and help.
First VT leads me to the little box -- THANKS VT!, and now I can't get the simplest "fix" done. Did the rest of you ALL get this?? Am I alone.
Grumble, gripe, complain. My daughter teaches tomorrow's teachers to use technology in the classroom. Maybe I could ask her input and help.
longhorn said:
Heh capn. Surely they will get tired of whipping us long after we are gone? Maybe not. Look how they whip poor Bill Clinton and he's been out of office six years!
I do feel sorry for Tom Witt, but he'll learn. And I feel sorry for JR, but I dont know why he doesnt come here? I dont think that is a tech issue.
Let me repeat, I like it here with all my pals. I hope more will join us. We really do like the taste of new blood. :) (Wish I had that "devilish grin" icon)
I do feel sorry for Tom Witt, but he'll learn. And I feel sorry for JR, but I dont know why he doesnt come here? I dont think that is a tech issue.
Let me repeat, I like it here with all my pals. I hope more will join us. We really do like the taste of new blood. :) (Wish I had that "devilish grin" icon)
longhorn said:
Linda, I have to check my email, but I think you have to click on the little box with every post? I could be wrong. Dont give up. You and your posts are greatly valued. Go towards the light.. HERE!
Ryan said:
@Dave,
I get the following message when I try to unsubscribe from the email notification. I think it's the same isue that Linda is having.
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I get the following message when I try to unsubscribe from the email notification. I think it's the same isue that Linda is having.
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Vaughn Tolle said:
Linda and longhorn, it seems that you have to click on the little box each time. At least on my computer, the default is a check in the box.
Dave, is there anyway to change the default? Or am I missing something really simple?
Dave, is there anyway to change the default? Or am I missing something really simple?
Predestined said:
Just a thought...
April 1 is a Sunday. Would it work to return to WB enforce? Say, set a time (0800) or whatever and all post together? Just some nice, "How ya been, SOB?" stuff? Or greet each other? Maybe each of go back on in 5 minute intervals?
I don't know. We have over two weeks to decide whether to do anything or not. Give it some thought.
April 1 is a Sunday. Would it work to return to WB enforce? Say, set a time (0800) or whatever and all post together? Just some nice, "How ya been, SOB?" stuff? Or greet each other? Maybe each of go back on in 5 minute intervals?
I don't know. We have over two weeks to decide whether to do anything or not. Give it some thought.
longhorn said:
I agree pre. April fool's day is appropo.
I still say put them all on ignore if and when we go back. I'll great you guys, but the BEST they can expect from me is total silence.
Like John Prine said "seemed like total silence was the only friend I had". :)
I still say put them all on ignore if and when we go back. I'll great you guys, but the BEST they can expect from me is total silence.
Like John Prine said "seemed like total silence was the only friend I had". :)
Vaughn Tolle said:
From rereading Dave's 4:12 post, it appears that we need to click unsubscribe on the email generated from that comment. I just checked my filtered folder, and it hasn't shown up yet; suspect we're overwhelming the server! And, be sure the box by "Notify me..." on the right side bottom is without checkmark before clicking the "Add Comment" button.
longhorn said:
OMG, I am HOWLING!!!!!!!!
I went to rescue Tom Witt, but it was too late! Heheheh They posted their usual homophobic hillbilly remarks and pissed him off, so he started calling one of them an asstampon. hehehehehehehh
So...GMC lectured him about civility and told him to GO AWAY!!! HEE HEE HEE so much for ALL being welcome amongst the oh so civil righties.
I didnt have the heart to contact Tom after that. Funny stuff.
I went to rescue Tom Witt, but it was too late! Heheheh They posted their usual homophobic hillbilly remarks and pissed him off, so he started calling one of them an asstampon. hehehehehehehh
So...GMC lectured him about civility and told him to GO AWAY!!! HEE HEE HEE so much for ALL being welcome amongst the oh so civil righties.
I didnt have the heart to contact Tom after that. Funny stuff.
Predestined said:
I hope there's plenty of bandwidth here. I'd truly hate to lose this place.
Has anyone checked out JR's post on the "other" blog?
Has anyone checked out JR's post on the "other" blog?
Vaughn Tolle said:
Just saw that John Sununu (R-NH) is calling for AG AG to be fired. I'm sure he'll be ignored, given that his New England residence will be construed as making him a RINO.
longhorn said:
What I noticed Vaughn, is that now they are fawning over him and saying they "respect" him.
HuH?
They couldnt trash him hard enough before, now GMC calls him the voice of reason?
As Tracy would say "pitiful. Just pitiful."
HuH?
They couldnt trash him hard enough before, now GMC calls him the voice of reason?
As Tracy would say "pitiful. Just pitiful."
Predestined said:
It'll be interesting to see what they say to us when we do return. THAT'S when we'll have to be sitting on our hands. Hopefully, we can keep this spot free to vent frustration. I know that typing a response and deleting it has saved me more than once from exploding and kept my replies a tad more subdued than they might originally be. Nathan is a good test for me on that.
lindainks55 said:
My good test is ksgrm. Maybe because I always think she gives grandmothers a bad rap. lol Do we each have a different poster who makes us sit on our hands (OR NOT!)?
Vaughn Tolle said:
Pre, some of my issues with Nathan's posts (and I have, from time to time done the same as you by deletion of otherwise incindiary posts) is the USMC perspective on certain historical events that he seems to parrot. I became aware of the Corps' unique perspective on American History when USMCJROTC was implemented at NEMHS and I happened upon a few "assignments".
I acknowledge that all branches of the military have their perspective; it just seems, based upon my USAF service, that there is a different prism used by the Corps. Semper Fi, and all that.
I acknowledge that all branches of the military have their perspective; it just seems, based upon my USAF service, that there is a different prism used by the Corps. Semper Fi, and all that.
longhorn said:
I frequently have to sit on my hands to prevent giving all of them a cyber slap upside the head that would knock 'em into next week.
And you know it isnt the personal insults that bother me. The "controlled controversy" crap makes me insane. And when fact after fact is posted that proves a wingnut wrong, they just continue to deny until they die. And then they think it is funny.
Hell, makes me mad just thinking about them!
Barkeep, another round of Maker's Mark for my friends! Oh, and Miss Kitty, pour one for yourself too!
And you know it isnt the personal insults that bother me. The "controlled controversy" crap makes me insane. And when fact after fact is posted that proves a wingnut wrong, they just continue to deny until they die. And then they think it is funny.
Hell, makes me mad just thinking about them!
Barkeep, another round of Maker's Mark for my friends! Oh, and Miss Kitty, pour one for yourself too!
Predestined said:
Yes, Vaughn, there's something about the Marines... The Few, The PROUD. ;)
I have a few Marine friends, some more down-to-earth than others. Nathan fits into the "others" category. Then there are the Army friends, a couple of Navy guys (my mom was in when she was young, too) and Air Force, one who married into our family. My ex is retired KSANG, so I know many others, some of who flew in Vietnam. I can honestly say the pilots are NUTS. Their egos rival those of Marines.
I was just talking to a friend today about the different services, which morphed into how the majority of men judge themselves and other men on their career and career successes. It's a guy thang.
Still, I'll admit that my heart skips a beat at the sight of a Marine in full dress. He might think twice about opening his mouth though.
I have a few Marine friends, some more down-to-earth than others. Nathan fits into the "others" category. Then there are the Army friends, a couple of Navy guys (my mom was in when she was young, too) and Air Force, one who married into our family. My ex is retired KSANG, so I know many others, some of who flew in Vietnam. I can honestly say the pilots are NUTS.
I was just talking to a friend today about the different services, which morphed into how the majority of men judge themselves and other men on their career and career successes. It's a guy thang.
Still, I'll admit that my heart skips a beat at the sight of a Marine in full dress. He might think twice about opening his mouth though.
longhorn said:
Hey, anybody in here? I'm back for that drink Vaughn promised me. Pre, I know women too who love a girl in uniform, be it cop or military or whatever.
I dislike authority too much to enjoy that look.
But I guess if I can compromise with a vegetarian, I could overlook the uniform thing. :)
Now a woman with tools is another matter....
I dislike authority too much to enjoy that look.
But I guess if I can compromise with a vegetarian, I could overlook the uniform thing. :)
Now a woman with tools is another matter....
darwinsdisciple said:
outlander used to be my favorite poster to dislike. I was sure he was smarter than the stuff he was posting and that he meant to deliberately mislead; in other words, he was lying and he knew he was lying.
I met outlander at the meet up and talked to him for a while. He believes his delusions. I haven't since meeting him, given him any grief.
I was over "reading" the open thread this morning. It was funny those how those trolls were having to cut and paste from previous posts from WSClark and CapnAmerica to have something to insult. Pretty sad, it was.
I hope we don't need them as much as they seem to need us.
I found J R's last email pretty depressing. I did not think he would take this thing so hard. I will have to think some, before writing him back.
I met outlander at the meet up and talked to him for a while. He believes his delusions. I haven't since meeting him, given him any grief.
I was over "reading" the open thread this morning. It was funny those how those trolls were having to cut and paste from previous posts from WSClark and CapnAmerica to have something to insult. Pretty sad, it was.
I hope we don't need them as much as they seem to need us.
I found J R's last email pretty depressing. I did not think he would take this thing so hard. I will have to think some, before writing him back.
TRACY said:
Hey longhorny (hehe),
I was tellin Pa about our latest blog exploits.
He says howdy and sounds like the WE setup sucked from the start.
I was tellin Pa about our latest blog exploits.
He says howdy and sounds like the WE setup sucked from the start.
darwinsdisciple said:
"And I just LOVE Hankie's 'I'm always so nice and polite' garbage. He of the knife twisting. Throw personal insults and then finish with 'I still love ya...' Oh, man. --wiping those tears again--"
Hank has a decided need to see himself as a "nice" person -- I know that this fits in no way with any recognizable reality, but he does. One time I was able to scratch through that "nice guy" exterior by recounting behavior of his that even he had to acknowledge was not very nice. It was not a pretty sight, let me tell you. Nathan had to come to his rescue -- want to talk about an extremely unhealthy father/son relationship?
Hank is a huge fraud, and he really knows it, which makes work ever harder to try to prove what he knows is a bunch of crap. It would be hard work to be that man, I'm telling ya.
I should point out, that Hank is the only subject, my friend Mary C., is wrong about. On all other subjects, she rules.
Hank has a decided need to see himself as a "nice" person -- I know that this fits in no way with any recognizable reality, but he does. One time I was able to scratch through that "nice guy" exterior by recounting behavior of his that even he had to acknowledge was not very nice. It was not a pretty sight, let me tell you. Nathan had to come to his rescue -- want to talk about an extremely unhealthy father/son relationship?
Hank is a huge fraud, and he really knows it, which makes work ever harder to try to prove what he knows is a bunch of crap. It would be hard work to be that man, I'm telling ya.
I should point out, that Hank is the only subject, my friend Mary C., is wrong about. On all other subjects, she rules.
WSClark said:
I tried to post a comment about J R,'s e-mail, but it got lost somewhere in cyberspace.... I will remember to be mosr careful in the future.
The gist of the post was that I feel sad about J R's feelings, but I am not going to go back to WE Blog. The RR hypocrites are on the Blog congratulating themselves on being so civil, especially Khan and GSheridan, two of the absolute worst offenders of all time.
Anyway, the Blog appears to be damaged goods - soon to be the province of the reich wing.
So be it.
The gist of the post was that I feel sad about J R's feelings, but I am not going to go back to WE Blog. The RR hypocrites are on the Blog congratulating themselves on being so civil, especially Khan and GSheridan, two of the absolute worst offenders of all time.
Anyway, the Blog appears to be damaged goods - soon to be the province of the reich wing.
So be it.
darwinsdisciple said:
"In this case, I believe the crime is as bad or worse than the cover-up, since it amounts to the politicization of Federal prosecutions, which is a big, big deal. By saying that the 'cover-up is worse than the crime,' NPR is tacitly underwriting the assumption that political appointees are legitimate instruments of an Administration's political machinations, which is very much NOT the precedent or the case."
CF,
Sorry I did not see your post sooner.
I was driving this a.m. to a meeting and heard the Diane Ream (sp?) show. They were definitely saying that the politicalization of the posts was okay -- at least the two Republicans on the show were. There was the one obvious liberal who was routinely shouted down. (Kind of reminded of the WE Blog come to think of it). (One guy reminded me of Nathan - "which is it, are they stupid or evil geniuses?", etc.) Many callers into to the program were complaining that the whole affair was another example of lawlessness by the Bush administration being tolerated. The people (at least those who call in to such shows) aren't being fooled.
CF,
Sorry I did not see your post sooner.
I was driving this a.m. to a meeting and heard the Diane Ream (sp?) show. They were definitely saying that the politicalization of the posts was okay -- at least the two Republicans on the show were. There was the one obvious liberal who was routinely shouted down. (Kind of reminded of the WE Blog come to think of it). (One guy reminded me of Nathan - "which is it, are they stupid or evil geniuses?", etc.) Many callers into to the program were complaining that the whole affair was another example of lawlessness by the Bush administration being tolerated. The people (at least those who call in to such shows) aren't being fooled.
lindainks55 said:
I haven't seen the emails -- I was "out" of that loop. if J R is hurting I feel really bad. He has been a friend to me, always kind, always thoughtful. He has a bit of an inferiority complex about a lack of formal education and a challenging economic state, but I think he is genuinely good through and through. What's the problem? I know he felt changes to WEBlog that didn't work with his technology would eliminate him and that worried him. I also think he knows the reasons behind the boycott are honorable but disagreed with the methods of protest. Is there more to it than that?
If this is a question I shouldn't ask I'll understand that it's none of my business.
Aren't we liberals easy to get along with!? We truly accept differences as part of life. We just don't suffer fools well!
If this is a question I shouldn't ask I'll understand that it's none of my business.
Aren't we liberals easy to get along with!? We truly accept differences as part of life. We just don't suffer fools well!
WSClark said:
Jeez, the right wingers on WE Blog have no shame. Suddenly, these folks are the models of civility. The are congratulating themselves on their decorum. The absolute worst of the attack artists, Khan and GSheridan, are now the senior statesmen and etiquette monitors. They are shameless. I don't think that they even see the hypocrisy.
There was a time when Capn' and I slapped down Khan over something - proved him wrong - and his response was to accuse us, along with J R, of being gay. When I suggested that his attack was sub Jr, High School. He posted that I have a small penis and I should be happy to march in Gay Pride Parades.
Now these folks are the Blog Most Civil Posters?
Christ, who can forget GSher's unprovoked and incredibly vicious attacks on Farm Grrl? Now Sherri is congratulating J R for his character for staying on the Blog.
Damn, leaving that Pit of Hypocrisy may have been the best thing I have done recently.
There was a time when Capn' and I slapped down Khan over something - proved him wrong - and his response was to accuse us, along with J R, of being gay. When I suggested that his attack was sub Jr, High School. He posted that I have a small penis and I should be happy to march in Gay Pride Parades.
Now these folks are the Blog Most Civil Posters?
Christ, who can forget GSher's unprovoked and incredibly vicious attacks on Farm Grrl? Now Sherri is congratulating J R for his character for staying on the Blog.
Damn, leaving that Pit of Hypocrisy may have been the best thing I have done recently.
gster said:
I'm starting to wonder, after time goes by, just how little we have truly left behind. Not all still there ar e bad by any means, but there is a new crop that are a bunch of snakes!
lindainks55 said:
I'm still spending MORE time there than here. There are many not here I like and respect and others I wonder what they are saying. There are some I couldn't care less -- RepubliKhan, SOB, fleetwood, golfnut (who seems to have disappeared anyway), aren't worth a second thought. I scrolled over their posts anyway.
But I don't know most of you like you know one another. A few I met just to say hello and put a face with the nic at the meetup, a few more I've emailed a few times and know a little better, many I've read and love the way your minds work and your sense of humor and how much you have to share and teach..., but still I don't know who you are away from here/there, what you enjoy, what your work is, who are your families are, etc.
I do enjoy "reading" you! And feel your cause is just. Maybe everyone (US included) will learn civility and use it most of the time wherever we land. And the best thing about a comfortable place is knowing we can have those times we show our butt and still be accepted and respected. 'Cause we're all still too human most of the time.
But I don't know most of you like you know one another. A few I met just to say hello and put a face with the nic at the meetup, a few more I've emailed a few times and know a little better, many I've read and love the way your minds work and your sense of humor and how much you have to share and teach..., but still I don't know who you are away from here/there, what you enjoy, what your work is, who are your families are, etc.
I do enjoy "reading" you! And feel your cause is just. Maybe everyone (US included) will learn civility and use it most of the time wherever we land. And the best thing about a comfortable place is knowing we can have those times we show our butt and still be accepted and respected. 'Cause we're all still too human most of the time.
longhorn said:
yep gster. And as much as I care for JR, he's over there whining about us throwing him under the bus. No one intends that.
Tell yer Dad Hi Tracy.
Ya know, I waffle back and forth between defending the new congress and saying they need time to clean things up, and being pissed myself that they dont seem to be taking action as fast needed.
Then I look at this DoJ thing and the coverup of the crimes committed on K Street and by bushco, and I think...
....Jebus! It's a scandal a day with these guys, and not just little scandals either. Big ones with intertangled webs. Like Scooter's aspens connected at the roots.
And then I think, damn, it's gonna take 12 years of hearings just to OUT all the crimes of all the rat bastards in and around this administration.
Much less the time, effort and money it will take to clean up the mess left by bushco all over the rest of the world. And worry about the environment, a sluggish economy, balance of trade, and currency problems.
I guess it is a good thing I'm not serving in congress. I would be overwhelmed with the size of the mess that needs to be shoveled out in D.C. Give me 4000 onions to plant any day!
Tell yer Dad Hi Tracy.
Ya know, I waffle back and forth between defending the new congress and saying they need time to clean things up, and being pissed myself that they dont seem to be taking action as fast needed.
Then I look at this DoJ thing and the coverup of the crimes committed on K Street and by bushco, and I think...
....Jebus! It's a scandal a day with these guys, and not just little scandals either. Big ones with intertangled webs. Like Scooter's aspens connected at the roots.
And then I think, damn, it's gonna take 12 years of hearings just to OUT all the crimes of all the rat bastards in and around this administration.
Much less the time, effort and money it will take to clean up the mess left by bushco all over the rest of the world. And worry about the environment, a sluggish economy, balance of trade, and currency problems.
I guess it is a good thing I'm not serving in congress. I would be overwhelmed with the size of the mess that needs to be shoveled out in D.C. Give me 4000 onions to plant any day!
lindainks55 said:
You're way to smart and capable to serve in Congress! That's a big part of the problem (IMO). The people who want the job are least able to do the job.
I wouldn't any more run for public office than -- well, I can't think of anything outlandish enough for the comparison I wanted.
I can hear it now. Did you hear what that woman from kansas did in 19__ (fill in any year because there would be something in ALL of them)? And, I don't want everyone to know everything! In fact, there are several years I want to forget.
longhorn said:
Well thanks linda. Aw shucks :)
I used to think I wanted to run for office someday, but I've since come to realize that isnt the best place for me. I talk too much and too straight. Uh so to speak.
And, seriously, I considered what full contact blogging would do to me if I ever decided I did want to run in the future. As you can see, I thought I could contribute more by blogging then by running. There are plenty of folks who have led exemplary lives. Let them take the spot light. I'll continue to blog and help behind the scenes.
And remember what they say about the seventies. If you remember them, you werent really there!
I used to think I wanted to run for office someday, but I've since come to realize that isnt the best place for me. I talk too much and too straight. Uh so to speak.
And, seriously, I considered what full contact blogging would do to me if I ever decided I did want to run in the future. As you can see, I thought I could contribute more by blogging then by running. There are plenty of folks who have led exemplary lives. Let them take the spot light. I'll continue to blog and help behind the scenes.
And remember what they say about the seventies. If you remember them, you werent really there!
WSClark said:
One reason that I like Jim Webb is that he never learned the art of diplomacy. I just love his shut down of Bush at the intro dinner for incoming Congresscritters. Zap, take that Cowboy Man!
That having been said, I am getting a little more pissed off each day at the slow pace of the Democratic Congress. Waxman seems to be fired up, but we all knew he would. A few of the folks are getting some face time and making the most of it. Biden had his chance today a blew a head gasket all over the Bushes shiny new/old war. I thought he was going to need another round of neurosurgery.
Still, I am frustrated and truly wish that more could/would be done.
On that happy note, did anyone see that b@st@rd Lieberman today? It was like he was reading from the same script as the Republicans. That S0B doesn't even PRETEND to be a Democrat anymore. Someone must have a picture of him with a goat.
Is anyone else having trouble posting? I get a message that says that my entry will be posted after I receive an e-mail and activate my post. This has happened several times and I have yet to recieve the e-mail. This is my fifth try with this post. This time I remembered to copy it to my clipboard. Ideas?
That having been said, I am getting a little more pissed off each day at the slow pace of the Democratic Congress. Waxman seems to be fired up, but we all knew he would. A few of the folks are getting some face time and making the most of it. Biden had his chance today a blew a head gasket all over the Bushes shiny new/old war. I thought he was going to need another round of neurosurgery.
Still, I am frustrated and truly wish that more could/would be done.
On that happy note, did anyone see that b@st@rd Lieberman today? It was like he was reading from the same script as the Republicans. That S0B doesn't even PRETEND to be a Democrat anymore. Someone must have a picture of him with a goat.
Is anyone else having trouble posting? I get a message that says that my entry will be posted after I receive an e-mail and activate my post. This has happened several times and I have yet to recieve the e-mail. This is my fifth try with this post. This time I remembered to copy it to my clipboard. Ideas?
Dave Shuck said:
WSClark - if you create an InstantSpot account, you will no longer have to activate every comment. Just make sure to use the same email address when posting that you do when you sign up.
WSClark said:
Blush, blush, stammer, stammer, sweat on brow...
I failed to notice that the drop down box with my e-mail addy was not complete. For what ever reason, it left off a digit or two.
In other words, I F%UCKED UP. MY BAD. I AM AN IDIOT.
Other than that, it is all good.
I am getting the hang of this. Sorry for the confusion.
I failed to notice that the drop down box with my e-mail addy was not complete. For what ever reason, it left off a digit or two.
In other words, I F%UCKED UP. MY BAD. I AM AN IDIOT.
Other than that, it is all good.
I am getting the hang of this. Sorry for the confusion.
CF said:
Evening, all.
Should be good fun to see the Wingnuts turning on each other in the not-too-distant. Prediction: they're going to become petulant and bored. It'll start small--calling each other RINO's and such, and then it'll escalate.
Putting them on ice was a bit of a judo move on our part--using their own weight against them, etc.
In the meantime, here's a WONDERFUL post from Mahablog, where Barabara enumerates the five stages of Wingnut response to a Bush Administration scandal. This should all look MIGHTY familiar.
"You’ve no doubt heard of the five stages of grief (denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance). I’ve come to realize something like that goes on among righties whenever a new Republican scandal washes ashore. I propose that the five stages of reaction to a scandal are:
1. Ignoring
2. Belittling
3. Blaming the Media
4. Evoking Bill Clinton.
5. Boredom
That last stage allows the sufferer to return to stage 1 and ignore the issue. Also note that righties don’t necessarily go through these stages in order or even one stage at a time.
This is a working hypothesis; I might choose to revise the list in the future. Let me know what you think."
www.mahablog.com
Dave Shuck,
Thanks so much for the fixes, and for making all us expats feel most welcome. Much obliged to y'all.
Should be good fun to see the Wingnuts turning on each other in the not-too-distant. Prediction: they're going to become petulant and bored. It'll start small--calling each other RINO's and such, and then it'll escalate.
Putting them on ice was a bit of a judo move on our part--using their own weight against them, etc.
In the meantime, here's a WONDERFUL post from Mahablog, where Barabara enumerates the five stages of Wingnut response to a Bush Administration scandal. This should all look MIGHTY familiar.
"You’ve no doubt heard of the five stages of grief (denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance). I’ve come to realize something like that goes on among righties whenever a new Republican scandal washes ashore. I propose that the five stages of reaction to a scandal are:
1. Ignoring
2. Belittling
3. Blaming the Media
4. Evoking Bill Clinton.
5. Boredom
That last stage allows the sufferer to return to stage 1 and ignore the issue. Also note that righties don’t necessarily go through these stages in order or even one stage at a time.
This is a working hypothesis; I might choose to revise the list in the future. Let me know what you think."
www.mahablog.com
Dave Shuck,
Thanks so much for the fixes, and for making all us expats feel most welcome. Much obliged to y'all.
WSClark said:
It is really slow over on WE Blog, just a few posts since 9:00 PM. It is a bit funny, however, they don't have much going on and we don't have much happening either.
I guess Jagger needed Richards after all.
To tell the truth, I enjoy a good debate, even a heated one. What I don't like is being trolled and insulted regarding my ethnic background. I also get a little worked up when the cons make stuff up and then go into ignore (see above) mode when you prove them wrong.
Anyway, it's been a bit boring today. Maybe we should invite a few of the moderate and reasonable conservatives to join us. Writer Dog and RM come to mind. I certainly can respect those two.
Any thoughts?
I guess Jagger needed Richards after all.
To tell the truth, I enjoy a good debate, even a heated one. What I don't like is being trolled and insulted regarding my ethnic background. I also get a little worked up when the cons make stuff up and then go into ignore (see above) mode when you prove them wrong.
Anyway, it's been a bit boring today. Maybe we should invite a few of the moderate and reasonable conservatives to join us. Writer Dog and RM come to mind. I certainly can respect those two.
Any thoughts?
CF said:
Also, folks, an item of concern I'd like to share.
I often cut and paste links from Steve Gilliard at the News Blog. (www.thenewsblog.net) For my money, he's the best commentator on race in all of Left Blogistan, and is one of the best commentators on all things NYC. You may remember his posts on Giuliani's treatment of his wife.
Well, Steve has myriad health problems, and had open heart surgery a number of days ago. He is still under sedation and is responding to stimulus, but complications are besetting him, and he's not out of the woods yet.
So I would just ask for intercessory prayers on the part of all of you who are in touch with a Higher Power/God of your understanding. For those who don't swing that way, I'd ask for positive vibes and good energy for one of our significant voices, and a guy with real courage and a big heart.
I often cut and paste links from Steve Gilliard at the News Blog. (www.thenewsblog.net) For my money, he's the best commentator on race in all of Left Blogistan, and is one of the best commentators on all things NYC. You may remember his posts on Giuliani's treatment of his wife.
Well, Steve has myriad health problems, and had open heart surgery a number of days ago. He is still under sedation and is responding to stimulus, but complications are besetting him, and he's not out of the woods yet.
So I would just ask for intercessory prayers on the part of all of you who are in touch with a Higher Power/God of your understanding. For those who don't swing that way, I'd ask for positive vibes and good energy for one of our significant voices, and a guy with real courage and a big heart.
CF said:
WSClark,
Do as you see fit. But I vote no. This needs to hit folks where it hurts.
And if you want to fight, well, between you and me, given that we ARE two Jews, I'm sure we can generate at LEAST three opinions.
Do as you see fit. But I vote no. This needs to hit folks where it hurts.
And if you want to fight, well, between you and me, given that we ARE two Jews, I'm sure we can generate at LEAST three opinions.
WSClark said:
Dang, CF I can come with THREE debate points all on my own. On top of that Jewish heritage, I am also a Gemini.
Shoot, I can have a pretty good debate just with myself!
But as you mentioned, I am not going to invite anyone except lefties unless there is a consensus.
I consider RM to be a friend, so I'll communicate with him via e-amil.
But you have to admit, it has been a bit boring today!
Shoot, I can have a pretty good debate just with myself!
But as you mentioned, I am not going to invite anyone except lefties unless there is a consensus.
I consider RM to be a friend, so I'll communicate with him via e-amil.
But you have to admit, it has been a bit boring today!
Predestined said:
Boring, maybe. Funny at times, you bet!
I vote no, too. At least for now. I have no hard feelings toward either writerdog or RM, but I'm not ready to bring them on board.
I vote no, too. At least for now. I have no hard feelings toward either writerdog or RM, but I'm not ready to bring them on board.
CF said:
WSClark,
Oh, indeed. Friction has been practically non-existent in our non-stop Liberal lovefest. "Kum Bye Ya" and all that.
For what it's worth, there are plenty of other venues where you can go and get yourself in a scrape. Although the WeBlog is close to home, it's by no means the only possible locale for the sort of mischief you have in mind. Wichita has a Craigslist site, for example. Lots of freaky weird-assedness on there--and some political content as well.
Oh, indeed. Friction has been practically non-existent in our non-stop Liberal lovefest. "Kum Bye Ya" and all that.
For what it's worth, there are plenty of other venues where you can go and get yourself in a scrape. Although the WeBlog is close to home, it's by no means the only possible locale for the sort of mischief you have in mind. Wichita has a Craigslist site, for example. Lots of freaky weird-assedness on there--and some political content as well.
WSClark said:
.... Read something great on Bartcop this evening.
Bush wants another $105 billion (the extra $5 billion is for the BFEE) from Congress. The suggestion was to attached strings to it. Make the SOB veto a bill to support the troops. Bart had some ideas and I have a few more. For example:
$105 Billion for the troops AND a repeal the superrich tax cuts.
$105 Billion and a repeal of portions of the (Un) Patriot Act.
$105 Billion and a National War Tax on non-essential goods.
$105 Billion and a repeal of the don't ask/don't tell ruling and a guarantee of equal rights for gay servicemen.
Just for a few starters. Bush is threatening a veto if the Appropriation restricts his war-making "rights" so flip the GD equation on him. Let the SOB veto the appropriation.
Bush wants another $105 billion (the extra $5 billion is for the BFEE) from Congress. The suggestion was to attached strings to it. Make the SOB veto a bill to support the troops. Bart had some ideas and I have a few more. For example:
$105 Billion for the troops AND a repeal the superrich tax cuts.
$105 Billion and a repeal of portions of the (Un) Patriot Act.
$105 Billion and a National War Tax on non-essential goods.
$105 Billion and a repeal of the don't ask/don't tell ruling and a guarantee of equal rights for gay servicemen.
Just for a few starters. Bush is threatening a veto if the Appropriation restricts his war-making "rights" so flip the GD equation on him. Let the SOB veto the appropriation.
WSClark said:
Oh, cool, we leave and the REALLY dumbass Reich Wingers are coming back. They can have the damned Blog.
Horst Wessell is back on WE Blog.
Damn, he makes Ian Santiago look like a moderate.
Horst Wessell is back on WE Blog.
Damn, he makes Ian Santiago look like a moderate.
WSClark said:
Oh, cool, we leave and the REALLY dumbass Reich Wingers are coming back. They can have the damned Blog.
Horst Wessell is back on WE Blog.
Damn, he makes Ian Santiago look like a moderate.
Here is a sample of his posts:
"if stupid niggers want to kill each other we should be ok with making money off it I like the way GMC thinks"
Horst Wessell is back on WE Blog.
Damn, he makes Ian Santiago look like a moderate.
Here is a sample of his posts:
"if stupid niggers want to kill each other we should be ok with making money off it I like the way GMC thinks"
CF said:
WSClark,
Sounds like the Night of the Long Knives has already begun.
Nothing makes me laugh like Wingnuts self-righteously beating up on fascists. Always kind of rings hollow to me.
Sounds like the Night of the Long Knives has already begun.
Nothing makes me laugh like Wingnuts self-righteously beating up on fascists. Always kind of rings hollow to me.
CF said:
WSClark,
As for your idea, absolutely. When you control the legislative process, you can TOTALLY insert poison pills and set traps for the Executive. Seems like a long, long time ago that Democrats were willing to use all the legislative tools at their disposal.
Part of the problem, admittedly, is that the DC media's double standard will hold it against Democrats when they employ the GOP's own 'best practices.' IOKIYAR.
As for your idea, absolutely. When you control the legislative process, you can TOTALLY insert poison pills and set traps for the Executive. Seems like a long, long time ago that Democrats were willing to use all the legislative tools at their disposal.
Part of the problem, admittedly, is that the DC media's double standard will hold it against Democrats when they employ the GOP's own 'best practices.' IOKIYAR.
darwinsdisciple said:
Good night, all. You have done well today. Tomorrow will be easier.
Woody Guthrie and Ledbelly sold this song to 15 various businesses in a single day...
"Goodnight Irene, goodnight
Goodnight Irene, goodnight
Goodnight Irene, goodnight Irene
I'll see you in my dreams
"Sometimes I live in the country
Sometimes I live in town
Sometimes I take a few notions
I want to jump overboard in a river and drown."
Woody Guthrie and Ledbelly sold this song to 15 various businesses in a single day...
"Goodnight Irene, goodnight
Goodnight Irene, goodnight
Goodnight Irene, goodnight Irene
I'll see you in my dreams
"Sometimes I live in the country
Sometimes I live in town
Sometimes I take a few notions
I want to jump overboard in a river and drown."
WSClark said:
The Republicans pulled the poison pill routine on Clinton all the time. Turnabout is more than fair play.
Attach a rider to the $105 Billion repealing the Bush 1% Tax Cuts. Let the SOB veto the bill and explain why the 1% are more important than the troops. Let the SOB explain why we have to leave an even larger deficit for our grandchildren.
I would love to see that. I would love to see Bush explain that in an unscripted press conference. I love would love to see the Reich Wing go crazy over that one.
Attach a rider to the $105 Billion repealing the Bush 1% Tax Cuts. Let the SOB veto the bill and explain why the 1% are more important than the troops. Let the SOB explain why we have to leave an even larger deficit for our grandchildren.
I would love to see that. I would love to see Bush explain that in an unscripted press conference. I love would love to see the Reich Wing go crazy over that one.
longhorn said:
Well good morning all! Perhaps our hosts need to know some of us are early risers? I'm ready for a fresh, hot open thread with my coffee :) Thanks again to Wichita Voice for hosting us.
Man, it is slow over there today again. I know it was a little slow here too, and some of the regular lib posters are not showing up here. Also, there has always been a late night crew and an early morning crew. We just dont have our posting schedules sync'd up so it looks a little slower here than usual.
CF, Clark, it all looks to me like the dems are just AFRAID! OF everything and everyone. Triangulation at its best is just stopping them. They got such a thumpin' by the media and the cons the last 6-8 years, that they wanna test every word that comes out of their mouths.
Hell, the reich wingers have them NOT believing their own election results last fall. I thought it was clear why the herculean efforts to take back the house and senate were successful. People wanted change. They want this stupid war over and the troops home. They want corruption investigated, prosecuted, and the perps to be punished. They want transparancy in government. They want COMPETENCY in government.
I dont say stuff like this when the cons are around :) But I am getting worried that the g.d. vichy dems are the REAL bedwetter in washington. They dont get it. And unless they are swans, appearing calm on the surface while paddling furiously under water, they are like dogs that chased cars. Not sure what to do now that they caught one!
I know it will take time, and I also know the clean up will be huge and not very pleasant. So... I'm holding my fire for now. But damn folks, couldnt they at least accomplish something in the HOUSE while LIEberman holds them hostage in the senate.
I suppose it would only be a good night's sleep and strong coffee today that would make me optimistic enough to think that if the dems refuse to lead, the repukes remain corrupt and incompetent, that a third party might emerge?
Or is the unaffiliated, undecided middle actually the NEW third party, and just refuses to organize and identify that way?
Either way, we're probably still screwed in ks as long as the taliban is in charge. Governor leadership seems to suffer the same fear of leadership the vichy dems have in washington. Big surprise there, since she is DL through and through. And the repuke dominated ks legislature? Dont even get me started...
Man, it is slow over there today again. I know it was a little slow here too, and some of the regular lib posters are not showing up here. Also, there has always been a late night crew and an early morning crew. We just dont have our posting schedules sync'd up so it looks a little slower here than usual.
CF, Clark, it all looks to me like the dems are just AFRAID! OF everything and everyone. Triangulation at its best is just stopping them. They got such a thumpin' by the media and the cons the last 6-8 years, that they wanna test every word that comes out of their mouths.
Hell, the reich wingers have them NOT believing their own election results last fall. I thought it was clear why the herculean efforts to take back the house and senate were successful. People wanted change. They want this stupid war over and the troops home. They want corruption investigated, prosecuted, and the perps to be punished. They want transparancy in government. They want COMPETENCY in government.
I dont say stuff like this when the cons are around :) But I am getting worried that the g.d. vichy dems are the REAL bedwetter in washington. They dont get it. And unless they are swans, appearing calm on the surface while paddling furiously under water, they are like dogs that chased cars. Not sure what to do now that they caught one!
I know it will take time, and I also know the clean up will be huge and not very pleasant. So... I'm holding my fire for now. But damn folks, couldnt they at least accomplish something in the HOUSE while LIEberman holds them hostage in the senate.
I suppose it would only be a good night's sleep and strong coffee today that would make me optimistic enough to think that if the dems refuse to lead, the repukes remain corrupt and incompetent, that a third party might emerge?
Or is the unaffiliated, undecided middle actually the NEW third party, and just refuses to organize and identify that way?
Either way, we're probably still screwed in ks as long as the taliban is in charge. Governor leadership seems to suffer the same fear of leadership the vichy dems have in washington. Big surprise there, since she is DL through and through. And the repuke dominated ks legislature? Dont even get me started...
longhorn said:
Ok, so I'm optimistic but not awake:) I meant to say governor leadership is DLC through and through.
On another note... writerdog has been invited to join us. SO has RM. IF they chose not to, that is their right, but of course, they are missed.
We need to talk about more than "them". And Clark, with all due respect, IF some of us go back after April 1, we have to put the assholes there on ingnore. Otherwise? This boycott will be wasted if we go back to flame throwing.
It will be hard to ignore them. GS is STILL over there ranting about me and using me as an excuse for who she is :) I would like to clock her good, but then, we'd be right back where we started.
Oh, and I know we have leakers here, so it will be interesting if this shows up elsewhere, but here is a secret about my wrongful termination truth.
We have settled :) The settlement was ready to be announced when GS jumped in and claimed to be in touch with "the other side". Heheheh. I knew from what she posted that it wasnt true. So dont worry, I didnt get hurt off the blog YET by her vengeful nature. But I have no doubt, nor should anyone who reads her screeds, that she would try to hurt me professionally AND legally if she could. So beware, and rest assured I am not giving her anymore ammunition.
Nor do I intend to respond to her IF I go back. Clark, buddy, you need to do the same.
hee hee hee hee. I think it is really funny she is still howling about and accusing me of "illegal labor practices". hehehehe. IF she wants to sic the dept of revenue on me for paying a hostess $50 in cash, knock herself out. I'll gladly pay the back taxes, since CLEARLY, my retired hostess's untaxed wage is what causes kansas' budget shorfalls...
Just for ol' time's sake... "Jesus WEPT"....
On another note... writerdog has been invited to join us. SO has RM. IF they chose not to, that is their right, but of course, they are missed.
We need to talk about more than "them". And Clark, with all due respect, IF some of us go back after April 1, we have to put the assholes there on ingnore. Otherwise? This boycott will be wasted if we go back to flame throwing.
It will be hard to ignore them. GS is STILL over there ranting about me and using me as an excuse for who she is :) I would like to clock her good, but then, we'd be right back where we started.
Oh, and I know we have leakers here, so it will be interesting if this shows up elsewhere, but here is a secret about my wrongful termination truth.
We have settled :) The settlement was ready to be announced when GS jumped in and claimed to be in touch with "the other side". Heheheh. I knew from what she posted that it wasnt true. So dont worry, I didnt get hurt off the blog YET by her vengeful nature. But I have no doubt, nor should anyone who reads her screeds, that she would try to hurt me professionally AND legally if she could. So beware, and rest assured I am not giving her anymore ammunition.
Nor do I intend to respond to her IF I go back. Clark, buddy, you need to do the same.
hee hee hee hee. I think it is really funny she is still howling about and accusing me of "illegal labor practices". hehehehe. IF she wants to sic the dept of revenue on me for paying a hostess $50 in cash, knock herself out. I'll gladly pay the back taxes, since CLEARLY, my retired hostess's untaxed wage is what causes kansas' budget shorfalls...
Just for ol' time's sake... "Jesus WEPT"....
TRACY said:
Just so we're all on the same page,
I emailed this earlier this morning:
Dear Editors,
1. This boycott is intended for the benefit of all, not just people who participate in the boycott.
2. There is nobody ‘in charge’ of this boycott. I started this, but have been a passive observer since.
3. The only purpose for the boycott is to accent the need for an improved format.
4. Our group feels that the present format is conducive to an abusive environment.
5. We have only one goal, and that is to make WEBlog a better place to comment.
6. We do not represent any political party or ideology.
7. The boycott is not meant to be an indictment of any one individual or group.
8. We have tried to place principals over personalities.
Thank you,
Tracy Phillips
I emailed this earlier this morning:
Dear Editors,
1. This boycott is intended for the benefit of all, not just people who participate in the boycott.
2. There is nobody ‘in charge’ of this boycott. I started this, but have been a passive observer since.
3. The only purpose for the boycott is to accent the need for an improved format.
4. Our group feels that the present format is conducive to an abusive environment.
5. We have only one goal, and that is to make WEBlog a better place to comment.
6. We do not represent any political party or ideology.
7. The boycott is not meant to be an indictment of any one individual or group.
8. We have tried to place principals over personalities.
Thank you,
Tracy Phillips
TRACY said:
BTW, it's my 'gut feeling' that those protesting this boycott the loudest are more than likely in the habit of nic-switching, etc., and don't wanna lose their little "secret'.
I know of more than one case to be true, but have not ever 'outed' these liberals, out of courtesy.
I know of more than one case to be true, but have not ever 'outed' these liberals, out of courtesy.
Gster said:
Tracy - I agree with your email's contents- they seem reasoable to me.
P.S. Are you still the gravy guy over here?
P.S. Are you still the gravy guy over here?
lindainks55 said:
Values Boy is baaaack. Read him (I haven't yet, this time change and me aren't getting along), get worked up, post where your friends are, we'll help you come down.
Did everyone notice RepubliKhan has now become Republican and announced it? See, if he could be ONE nic and take responsibility for everything he is, believes in, posts...
Did everyone notice RepubliKhan has now become Republican and announced it? See, if he could be ONE nic and take responsibility for everything he is, believes in, posts...
longhorn said:
Linda, I notice that several nics were gone or slowed down yesterday. SOB, Khan, fleetie, the worst of the lot, posted a couple of times and then disappeared.
I find it interesting that "germie" is leaving for 10 days. Maybe, maybe not. I have always suspected she was someone's alter ego.
I notice NO ONE has trolled the righties, yet. That's to be expected. And.. wonder why someone who doesnt troll is worried about being banned? Could the worst of the trolls be worried?
heheheheheh.
I find it interesting that "germie" is leaving for 10 days. Maybe, maybe not. I have always suspected she was someone's alter ego.
I notice NO ONE has trolled the righties, yet. That's to be expected. And.. wonder why someone who doesnt troll is worried about being banned? Could the worst of the trolls be worried?
heheheheheh.
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