TRACY said:
Just so we're all on the same page,
I emailed this earlier this morning:
(Dave & Phillip got a copy)
Dear Editors,
1. This boycott is intended for the benefit of all, not just people who participate in the boycott.
2. There is nobody ‘in charge’ of this boycott. I started this, but have been a passive observer since.
3. The only purpose for the boycott is to accent the need for an improved format.
4. Our group feels that the present format is conducive to an abusive environment.
5. We have only one goal, and that is to make WEBlog a better place to comment.
6. We do not represent any political party or ideology.
7. The boycott is not meant to be an indictment of any one individual or group.
8. We have tried to place principals over personalities.
Thank you,
Tracy Phillips
I emailed this earlier this morning:
(Dave & Phillip got a copy)
Dear Editors,
1. This boycott is intended for the benefit of all, not just people who participate in the boycott.
2. There is nobody ‘in charge’ of this boycott. I started this, but have been a passive observer since.
3. The only purpose for the boycott is to accent the need for an improved format.
4. Our group feels that the present format is conducive to an abusive environment.
5. We have only one goal, and that is to make WEBlog a better place to comment.
6. We do not represent any political party or ideology.
7. The boycott is not meant to be an indictment of any one individual or group.
8. We have tried to place principals over personalities.
Thank you,
Tracy Phillips
lindainks55 said:
The Parable of the Old Man and the Young
So Abram rose, and clave the wood, and went,
And took the fire with him, and a knife.
And as they sojourned both of them together,
Isaac the first-born spake and said, My Father,
Behold the preparations, fire and iron,
But where the lamb for this burnt-offering?
Then Abram bound the youth with belts and strops,
And builded parapets and trenches there,
And stretched forth the knife to slay his son.
When lo! an angel called him out of heaven,
Saying, Lay not thy hand upon the lad,
Neither do anything to him. Behold,
A ram, caught in a thicket by its horns;
Offer the Ram of Pride instead of him.
But the old man would not so, but slew his son,
And half the seed of Europe, one by one.
-- Wilfred Owen
1893 - 1918
Posted by: MonkeyHawk | March 15, 2007 at 02:41 AM
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Again, does anyone know this person MonkeyHawk? This take on the "parable" is describing the boycott. If any of the posters at WEBlog recognized it as such, no one commented.
lindainks55 said:
I sent an email to ValuesBoy this a.m. with regard to his column in today's Eagle. Here's what I said:
Congratulations on the birth of your new son! You didn't say so I'm hoping he and your wife are well and healthy.
In your column of Thursday, 3/15/07, you state, "Will secularists and misguided religious folks succeed in pushing Christianity to the sidelines? Will my son be able to speak his beliefs without being labeled as intolerant?"
I have another question for you to ask yourself. Will YOU be tolerant enough to allow your son to form his own beliefs? See, what I don't think you "get," is that the way to keep your rights is to protect the rights of everyone else. I think your son will grow up in a good Christian home and embrace Christianity as his chosen faith and belief system for his adult life. But, I also hope you are tolerant enough to realize he is a separate being with rights of his own and there is the possibility he will grow to become what you don't choose. And that it isn't your choice!
The surest way to lose your own rights is to take away the rights of another. Conversely, the best way to protect your rights is to protect the rights of another, even better when that person doesn't agree with you.
Our country was founded on the principle of freedom of religion. Freedom to hold your personal beliefs and not be told what those would/should be.
Why is it so hard to understand that the best way to maintain religious freedom for everybody is to keep Government out of everybody's religion?
Linda Murphy
Congratulations on the birth of your new son! You didn't say so I'm hoping he and your wife are well and healthy.
In your column of Thursday, 3/15/07, you state, "Will secularists and misguided religious folks succeed in pushing Christianity to the sidelines? Will my son be able to speak his beliefs without being labeled as intolerant?"
I have another question for you to ask yourself. Will YOU be tolerant enough to allow your son to form his own beliefs? See, what I don't think you "get," is that the way to keep your rights is to protect the rights of everyone else. I think your son will grow up in a good Christian home and embrace Christianity as his chosen faith and belief system for his adult life. But, I also hope you are tolerant enough to realize he is a separate being with rights of his own and there is the possibility he will grow to become what you don't choose. And that it isn't your choice!
The surest way to lose your own rights is to take away the rights of another. Conversely, the best way to protect your rights is to protect the rights of another, even better when that person doesn't agree with you.
Our country was founded on the principle of freedom of religion. Freedom to hold your personal beliefs and not be told what those would/should be.
Why is it so hard to understand that the best way to maintain religious freedom for everybody is to keep Government out of everybody's religion?
Linda Murphy
TRACY said:
Nobody has any idea if they know this monkeydude or not.
That's why we're here instead of there.
Monkey dude could be me for christ's sake.
I have cleared my mind of all this suspicous clutter and aggravation left from there.
That's why we're here instead of there.
Monkey dude could be me for christ's sake.
I have cleared my mind of all this suspicous clutter and aggravation left from there.
lindainks55 said:
I'm going to need to chew on that one Tracy. I guess I got the reason for being here instead of there all wrong if I understand what you are saying now.
CF said:
lindainks55,
I've seen MonkeyHawk post before, but I don't know him/her.
Not sure which way to take it. Are the boycotters being analogized to Abraham? Or are the trollers and smug Wingnuts?
If it's the first case, I obviously disagree. Who ever offered us a 'Ram of Pride' in place of our having to make the decision to forgo something we enjoy in the hopes of improving it? If we're the ones it's directed to, it would amount to yet another example of reactionaries blaming the victim.
There now are multiple principles at stake. First among them is the insistence on a transparent and level playing field in which to engage with one's ideological opponents. As it stands, trolling and name-switching creates an asymmetrical environment in which gaming the system takes the force away from arguments. Without that, graffiti soils the virtual public square, and reasoned debate is impossible.
If that's the environment the Wingnuts want, it gives the lie to their hypocritical calls for 'civility.' Their overriding concern is victory, and if that requires them to focus on 'manners' while ignoring 'morals'--namely, dealing forthrightly and honestly, under one's chosen name, and admitting when someone has been bested in an argument--then almost to a man and to a woman, they've shown themselves to be dirty fighters and dishonest arguers.
CF is not backing down. He's willing to walk away from the WeBlog rather than play another man's or woman's game.
As it stands, the WeBlog is a place for Wingnuts and their fellow travellers to practice shadow boxing and anonymous hit-and-run character assassination. But the Eagle has a great opportunity to create a space in which REAL, stand and fight dialogue can flourish. My hope is that they see what's possible with some relatively minor tweaks.
I've seen MonkeyHawk post before, but I don't know him/her.
Not sure which way to take it. Are the boycotters being analogized to Abraham? Or are the trollers and smug Wingnuts?
If it's the first case, I obviously disagree. Who ever offered us a 'Ram of Pride' in place of our having to make the decision to forgo something we enjoy in the hopes of improving it? If we're the ones it's directed to, it would amount to yet another example of reactionaries blaming the victim.
There now are multiple principles at stake. First among them is the insistence on a transparent and level playing field in which to engage with one's ideological opponents. As it stands, trolling and name-switching creates an asymmetrical environment in which gaming the system takes the force away from arguments. Without that, graffiti soils the virtual public square, and reasoned debate is impossible.
If that's the environment the Wingnuts want, it gives the lie to their hypocritical calls for 'civility.' Their overriding concern is victory, and if that requires them to focus on 'manners' while ignoring 'morals'--namely, dealing forthrightly and honestly, under one's chosen name, and admitting when someone has been bested in an argument--then almost to a man and to a woman, they've shown themselves to be dirty fighters and dishonest arguers.
CF is not backing down. He's willing to walk away from the WeBlog rather than play another man's or woman's game.
As it stands, the WeBlog is a place for Wingnuts and their fellow travellers to practice shadow boxing and anonymous hit-and-run character assassination. But the Eagle has a great opportunity to create a space in which REAL, stand and fight dialogue can flourish. My hope is that they see what's possible with some relatively minor tweaks.
lindainks55 said:
You Tracy could have answered more politely! Made me feel like my thoughts and questions are less than honest. I am of the "touchy feely" persuasion after all and female to boot so don't go immediately to the rational hard facts.
But I do understand. And thank you both Tracy and CF for, once again, leading me by the hand.
I had asked about MonkeyHawk before without an answer. I've read him/her for several months and think in this instance the boycotters are NOT Abraham in his parable. I've appreciated his postings and thoughts so didn't see it any other way coming from him/her.
And YES! I see that posting under MonkeyHawk allows the poster to be anyone, but certainly think there will be many who will use a "nic" instead of their name whether they must sign in and remain one poster or not.
But I do understand. And thank you both Tracy and CF for, once again, leading me by the hand.
I had asked about MonkeyHawk before without an answer. I've read him/her for several months and think in this instance the boycotters are NOT Abraham in his parable. I've appreciated his postings and thoughts so didn't see it any other way coming from him/her.
And YES! I see that posting under MonkeyHawk allows the poster to be anyone, but certainly think there will be many who will use a "nic" instead of their name whether they must sign in and remain one poster or not.
CF said:
lindainks55,
I believe your interpretation of MonkeyHawk's intentions is probably the right one. Good to know that we and Wilfred Owen are on the same side. I'm just hoping that those of us who are boycotting meet a less tragic fate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilfred_Owen
I believe your interpretation of MonkeyHawk's intentions is probably the right one. Good to know that we and Wilfred Owen are on the same side. I'm just hoping that those of us who are boycotting meet a less tragic fate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilfred_Owen
TRACY said:
Sorry Ms. Inks.
Hope that cleared up the issue.
Nobody objects to 'nics'.
They do object to the fact that everyone can use the same nic.
Hope that cleared up the issue.
Nobody objects to 'nics'.
They do object to the fact that everyone can use the same nic.
lindainks55 said:
Yes. I'm going to go away for awhile. I'm too worked up to be posting anything. I have life beckoning and a dog begging to go walk, other responsibilities to tackle.
CF said:
Dear Fellow Travellers,
As per TRACY's suggestion, I jiffied up a 300-word version of the above post as a potential letter to the editors. What do you think?
And if you'd like to co-sign it, let me know.
CF
******************************************************
As a blogger (yes, a “liberal blogger”), CF very much appreciates the Eagle’s WeBlog.
CF’s posts are loved by some, hated by others. That’s OK. CF can’t please everybody. But what isn’t OK is when someone who can’t beat CF in an argument steals his name to post sentiments that aren’t CF’s. It also isn’t OK when a WeBlog regular wants to post something dishonest, racist or deliberately offensive without owning up to it, and does so by using a different identity and then denying it.
These practices are increasing. The WeBlog has become a place for certain posters to practice the anonymous, hit-and-run tactics of character assassination by “trolling” (name-stealing), and by forcing their opponents to shadow box against identities that are used and discarded (name-switching). Gaming the system creates an asymmetrical environment that renders reasoned debate impossible. Acrimony, accusations, and counter-accusations soon follow.
Thus, a cluster of Left-Center contributors to the WeBlog are taking a two-week “time out” from posting to spotlight these problems. Depending on what changes are made, we plan to be back.
We have but one request: the creation of a relatively transparent and level playing field on which opponents may engage. We believe this can be accomplished using some sort of registration beyond the current TypePad system used by the Eagle. We hope to work this out with the editors, who have been gracious and obliging hosts for all us posters—Left, Right, and Center. We pledge to work together to make a good thing even better.
CF is not backing down. He’ll walk away from the WeBlog rather than play someone else’s game. But he hopes it does not come to this. The Eagle has the opportunity to create a model space in which REAL, stand and fight dialogue, real democracy, can flourish.
Sincerely,
CF
As per TRACY's suggestion, I jiffied up a 300-word version of the above post as a potential letter to the editors. What do you think?
And if you'd like to co-sign it, let me know.
CF
******************************************************
As a blogger (yes, a “liberal blogger”), CF very much appreciates the Eagle’s WeBlog.
CF’s posts are loved by some, hated by others. That’s OK. CF can’t please everybody. But what isn’t OK is when someone who can’t beat CF in an argument steals his name to post sentiments that aren’t CF’s. It also isn’t OK when a WeBlog regular wants to post something dishonest, racist or deliberately offensive without owning up to it, and does so by using a different identity and then denying it.
These practices are increasing. The WeBlog has become a place for certain posters to practice the anonymous, hit-and-run tactics of character assassination by “trolling” (name-stealing), and by forcing their opponents to shadow box against identities that are used and discarded (name-switching). Gaming the system creates an asymmetrical environment that renders reasoned debate impossible. Acrimony, accusations, and counter-accusations soon follow.
Thus, a cluster of Left-Center contributors to the WeBlog are taking a two-week “time out” from posting to spotlight these problems. Depending on what changes are made, we plan to be back.
We have but one request: the creation of a relatively transparent and level playing field on which opponents may engage. We believe this can be accomplished using some sort of registration beyond the current TypePad system used by the Eagle. We hope to work this out with the editors, who have been gracious and obliging hosts for all us posters—Left, Right, and Center. We pledge to work together to make a good thing even better.
CF is not backing down. He’ll walk away from the WeBlog rather than play someone else’s game. But he hopes it does not come to this. The Eagle has the opportunity to create a model space in which REAL, stand and fight dialogue, real democracy, can flourish.
Sincerely,
CF
darwinsdisciple said:
The letter looks good. I would attach my name to it too.
The WE Blog Open Thread is pretty boring this a.m. Ray Thomas, Raptor, was trying to turn it into an AA meeting? The benefits of higher deductables on house insurance were considered. Edifying, I am telling ya.
I don't think any of the folk posting on the WE Blog know that there is a time limit imposed on the boycott. Nor, do I think they should know. I wonder if that detail should be edited out of CF's letter?
The WE Blog Open Thread is pretty boring this a.m. Ray Thomas, Raptor, was trying to turn it into an AA meeting? The benefits of higher deductables on house insurance were considered. Edifying, I am telling ya.
I don't think any of the folk posting on the WE Blog know that there is a time limit imposed on the boycott. Nor, do I think they should know. I wonder if that detail should be edited out of CF's letter?
Gster said:
DD- Your point is well taken- the timing element does not need airing, IMHO. Who knows, maybe it will never happen. I know I don't miss all that crap!!
CF said:
DD,
Good point regarding notification on the time limit. I hadn't thought about whether that was public knowledge or not. I'd be willing to edit it out.
From what you say, the current postings on the WeBlog sound ghastly. Like a bunch of civil engineers trying to do film criticism.
Good point regarding notification on the time limit. I hadn't thought about whether that was public knowledge or not. I'd be willing to edit it out.
From what you say, the current postings on the WeBlog sound ghastly. Like a bunch of civil engineers trying to do film criticism.
TRACY said:
dar-dis, I agree about the time limit.
Allow me a shot at editing.
"Thus, a cluster of Left-Center contributors to the WeBlog are taking a TEMPORARY “time out” from posting to spotlight these problems. Depending on what, IF ANY, changes are made, we plan to be back."
With that change, I'll sign on also.
They already have my eight talking points to work with.
I think that I'll refrain from any personal commentary and leave it with the rather neutral talking points.
It is bland enough to post on the blog,
but I question the value of that.
I don't want it to seem like an answer to our critics, or even participation for that matter.
Carry on CF. I am lucky to be in such good company.
Allow me a shot at editing.
"Thus, a cluster of Left-Center contributors to the WeBlog are taking a TEMPORARY “time out” from posting to spotlight these problems. Depending on what, IF ANY, changes are made, we plan to be back."
With that change, I'll sign on also.
They already have my eight talking points to work with.
I think that I'll refrain from any personal commentary and leave it with the rather neutral talking points.
It is bland enough to post on the blog,
but I question the value of that.
I don't want it to seem like an answer to our critics, or even participation for that matter.
Carry on CF. I am lucky to be in such good company.
Predestined said:
In case you missed this, JR posted this on our Tuesday Open Thread here.
***
I have mixed reactions.
Several right wingers we don't much see have started poking their heads up.
On the other hand, the posts ARE down. Funny to see the worst of the worst yukking it up about how happy they are.
Ok, I'm out before someone finds a rope!
Posted By J R | 3/15/07 11:10 AM
***
I've been in contact with him since yesterday, letting him know that we have not thrown him under the bus.
I'm also glad to see he can post here.
***
I have mixed reactions.
Several right wingers we don't much see have started poking their heads up.
On the other hand, the posts ARE down. Funny to see the worst of the worst yukking it up about how happy they are.
Ok, I'm out before someone finds a rope!
Posted By J R | 3/15/07 11:10 AM
***
I've been in contact with him since yesterday, letting him know that we have not thrown him under the bus.
I'm also glad to see he can post here.
CF said:
TRACY,
Cool. I might put 'if any' after 'changes,' and there's still the word limit to consider. But the two-week deadline is definitely off the table.
Glad for the input, DD, Gster and TRACY. What do other folks think?
Cool. I might put 'if any' after 'changes,' and there's still the word limit to consider. But the two-week deadline is definitely off the table.
Glad for the input, DD, Gster and TRACY. What do other folks think?
TRACY said:
gster~~AMEN!
We have enough to cuss and discuss among this group.
Just so dubya knows, we're not all extreme libbies.
My short list:
Abortion: only in extreme cases
Concealed carry: yes
Gay rights: marriage equivelant
Gay military: no opinion
ID standards in science: NEVER
Economics: conservative, (make no law without providing funding)
Vouchers: no
Charters and other choices: yes
Immigration: no. close the borders first.
Immigration amnesty: no
etc.
We have enough to cuss and discuss among this group.
Just so dubya knows, we're not all extreme libbies.
My short list:
Abortion: only in extreme cases
Concealed carry: yes
Gay rights: marriage equivelant
Gay military: no opinion
ID standards in science: NEVER
Economics: conservative, (make no law without providing funding)
Vouchers: no
Charters and other choices: yes
Immigration: no. close the borders first.
Immigration amnesty: no
etc.
CapnAmerica said:
BOYCOTT UPDATE--
The boycott is holding and the number of posts is in the toilet.
We have more posts on an open thread HERE than they're getting there.
JR remarked that an insurance seminar is going to break out . . . hehehe.
Starting tomorrow, I'll be out of touch for about ten days.
This is "organizing for power," just as Saul Alinsky described: "I tell people, to hell with charity, you only get what you're strong enough to get."
The boycott is holding and the number of posts is in the toilet.
We have more posts on an open thread HERE than they're getting there.
JR remarked that an insurance seminar is going to break out . . . hehehe.
Starting tomorrow, I'll be out of touch for about ten days.
This is "organizing for power," just as Saul Alinsky described: "I tell people, to hell with charity, you only get what you're strong enough to get."
CapnAmerica said:
BOYCOTT UPDATE--
The boycott is holding and the number of posts is in the toilet.
We have more posts on an open thread HERE than they're getting there.
JR remarked that an insurance seminar is going to break out . . . hehehe.
Starting tomorrow, I'll be out of touch for about ten days.
This is "organizing for power," just as Saul Alinsky described: "I tell people, to hell with charity, you only get what you're strong enough to get."
The boycott is holding and the number of posts is in the toilet.
We have more posts on an open thread HERE than they're getting there.
JR remarked that an insurance seminar is going to break out . . . hehehe.
Starting tomorrow, I'll be out of touch for about ten days.
This is "organizing for power," just as Saul Alinsky described: "I tell people, to hell with charity, you only get what you're strong enough to get."
Predestined said:
Good job, CF! And I agree with leaving out the specific time limit we've chosen.
However, I don't think either it or Tracy's (equally good) should be posted to the WEBlog. Let the b@stards stew. (That's 'evil grin' for those of you not up on my wicked shorthand.)
Why? Posting it is only giving them the opportunity to sling a little more sh!t our way. Let them think we aren't returning. They think we're there for entertainment value. Now that's one for the laugh track. We all know they're only waiting for ammunition, and I think we need to return en force on April 1.
Something else I mentioned to JR in my email and want to express here, as well, is that if we want this to work, we really do need to do our own policing of each other. I'm as hot-headed as most and can go head-to-head with the best insulters, but experience has taught me that remaining calm can work wonders. (Don't believe I can be nasty? Just ask my ex.)
So...what if we agree to let each other know, either through email or here, when we fear the proverbial line may be getting close to being crossed? Maybe a few of us can offer suggestions as to what kind of reply (if needed) might work better? Believe me, the old saying that honey attracts flies better than vinegar is totally true! :)
However, I don't think either it or Tracy's (equally good) should be posted to the WEBlog. Let the b@stards stew.
Why? Posting it is only giving them the opportunity to sling a little more sh!t our way. Let them think we aren't returning. They think we're there for entertainment value. Now that's one for the laugh track. We all know they're only waiting for ammunition, and I think we need to return en force on April 1.
Something else I mentioned to JR in my email and want to express here, as well, is that if we want this to work, we really do need to do our own policing of each other. I'm as hot-headed as most and can go head-to-head with the best insulters, but experience has taught me that remaining calm can work wonders. (Don't believe I can be nasty? Just ask my ex.
So...what if we agree to let each other know, either through email or here, when we fear the proverbial line may be getting close to being crossed? Maybe a few of us can offer suggestions as to what kind of reply (if needed) might work better? Believe me, the old saying that honey attracts flies better than vinegar is totally true! :)
Gster said:
Hey-- Wichita Voice- Thanks for this blog!
Is there any possibility of making the default position for the" notify me on new comments..." button OFF , rather than ON? This would help the Idiot that high-jacked my body not have to remember to un check it before my inbox is gorged!
Is there any possibility of making the default position for the" notify me on new comments..." button OFF , rather than ON? This would help the Idiot that high-jacked my body not have to remember to un check it before my inbox is gorged!
Vaughn Tolle said:
Linda, re: Values Boy; I wonder, if his newborn son, being the seventh child, is gay due to the enzyme identified by researchers as perhaps affecting sexual preference in male children born of a mother who has had at least 3 prior children, how tolerant he'll be? Will he then accept the son, or will he be one of those who are bound and determined that sexual preference is one of choice, and refuse to consider that such is not?
Based upon his columns, I would expect he will not show tolerance of this, should it come to pass. By this, I do not mean to insinuate that this will happen; just some lunch time musings.
Based upon his columns, I would expect he will not show tolerance of this, should it come to pass. By this, I do not mean to insinuate that this will happen; just some lunch time musings.
lindainks55 said:
VT, He responded to my email. I've copied it below. Other than not knowing how to spell largely or use a possessive apostrophe, he doesn't have the (proverbial) clue as to what I was saying. I’ll take his response and answer for him, "No. He won't be tolerant of anything other than what he thinks is correct or moral or RIGHT. He doesn't even know he is intolerant." He would really not be able to understand the possibilities you've suggested! That's just too far out there for his thought processes.
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Thank you for taking the time to write. I understand that my son may choose another path, but I feel it is the parents obligation to teach children their beliefs and why they believe them. If I didn't think they were true I wouldn't adhere to them myself. Our country's roots are largle based on Christian philosophy and those ideas are the foundations of many of our laws -- even religious freedom.
Brent Castillo
The Wichita Eagle
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Thank you for taking the time to write. I understand that my son may choose another path, but I feel it is the parents obligation to teach children their beliefs and why they believe them. If I didn't think they were true I wouldn't adhere to them myself. Our country's roots are largle based on Christian philosophy and those ideas are the foundations of many of our laws -- even religious freedom.
Brent Castillo
The Wichita Eagle
lindainks55 said:
So the joke is on me. Under the thread right here on this forum titled, "World War I Veterans," monkeyhawk posted the Wilfred Owen poem I copied from over at WEBlog. He is already here and you guys knew that, didn't you?
Hey, Gster, may I borrow that "idiot that high-jacked my body" line. I need it much more than you do.
Hey, Gster, may I borrow that "idiot that high-jacked my body" line. I need it much more than you do.
CF said:
Predestined,
I've thought a lot about the issue of self-policing that you're raised.
On the one hand, there's nothing we can do that the Wingnuts won't find fault with. We are, a priori, bad people, and they will always need to denounce us in order to make themselves feel better.
On the other hand, I have grown a bit uneasy with my own use of profanity, and how it has gone viral on the blog. I don' think for a second that anybody who's drunk the Kool-Aid will ever be persuaded by my reasoned arguments--should I happen to make any! Rather, toning down my use of profanity is useful in not alienating bystanders or center folks.
So, from here on out, CF will replace 'ratfucking' (As in, "Karl Rove and George Bush are ratfucking the Constitution") with 'rodent buggering' or just 'buggering.' Hopefully, it'll make the kiddies ask the sort of questions that parents just LOVE to answer.
On occasion, by the way, I have let folks know when they've crossed the line, and I have, myself, done so as well. Constructive criticism isn't always easy to take, but it is always useful if we're willing to hear it.
VT,
I'd hope that your suspicion would not be borne out. In person, Values Boy seemed fairly well-intentioned and decent, if (from my perspective) misguided.
Malignantly, the scenario you outline could play out as did the homosexuality of the adopted son of Randall Terry from Operation Rescue. That is, not well. One suspects Values Boy is better than that, or at least not a total zealot.
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/144/story_14449_1.h...
I've thought a lot about the issue of self-policing that you're raised.
On the one hand, there's nothing we can do that the Wingnuts won't find fault with. We are, a priori, bad people, and they will always need to denounce us in order to make themselves feel better.
On the other hand, I have grown a bit uneasy with my own use of profanity, and how it has gone viral on the blog. I don' think for a second that anybody who's drunk the Kool-Aid will ever be persuaded by my reasoned arguments--should I happen to make any! Rather, toning down my use of profanity is useful in not alienating bystanders or center folks.
So, from here on out, CF will replace 'ratfucking' (As in, "Karl Rove and George Bush are ratfucking the Constitution") with 'rodent buggering' or just 'buggering.' Hopefully, it'll make the kiddies ask the sort of questions that parents just LOVE to answer.
On occasion, by the way, I have let folks know when they've crossed the line, and I have, myself, done so as well. Constructive criticism isn't always easy to take, but it is always useful if we're willing to hear it.
VT,
I'd hope that your suspicion would not be borne out. In person, Values Boy seemed fairly well-intentioned and decent, if (from my perspective) misguided.
Malignantly, the scenario you outline could play out as did the homosexuality of the adopted son of Randall Terry from Operation Rescue. That is, not well. One suspects Values Boy is better than that, or at least not a total zealot.
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/144/story_14449_1.h...
TRACY said:
Linda, I honestly don't know who monkeyman is.
And I certainly wasn't aiming to upset you.
And I certainly wasn't aiming to upset you.
TRACY said:
To me, self policing was never a viable option.
Say CF pissed me off good.
I start buggering with him hard, and use some pottymouth words.
Mary C gets ahold of me and scolds the devil outa me,
BUT I'M STILL PISSED.
I WANT SATISFACTION. (WHATEVER THAT IS)
What to do?
Easy.
Change names and continue going after CF like stink on poop.
Nuff said?
Say CF pissed me off good.
I start buggering with him hard, and use some pottymouth words.
Mary C gets ahold of me and scolds the devil outa me,
BUT I'M STILL PISSED.
I WANT SATISFACTION. (WHATEVER THAT IS)
What to do?
Easy.
Change names and continue going after CF like stink on poop.
Nuff said?
lindainks55 said:
I was upset. But trust me that is MY problem, because you said nothing that should have been upsetting. Now, I'm just laughing at myself. I'm the funniest person I know some days (all too often actually). If I can get to the point of laughing, I have to be improving, huh?
I've had some "things" intrude on my existence and so far I haven't handled anything as well as I wish I would. Some health problems that I suspect (scares me more than I can tell you) may be due to aging and what I have to look forward to. I've never been limited physically -- strong as an ox and capable of keeping up with the best of them -- so I'm pouting and having quite a pity party over this one. Then there is an adult son who is once again in trouble and unable to see that alcoholism is going to keep him there. Sorry to use any of this as an excuse for not being as polite and courteous as life requires. I'm not big on excuses so please accept this as an explanation instead.
I've had some "things" intrude on my existence and so far I haven't handled anything as well as I wish I would. Some health problems that I suspect (scares me more than I can tell you) may be due to aging and what I have to look forward to. I've never been limited physically -- strong as an ox and capable of keeping up with the best of them -- so I'm pouting and having quite a pity party over this one. Then there is an adult son who is once again in trouble and unable to see that alcoholism is going to keep him there. Sorry to use any of this as an excuse for not being as polite and courteous as life requires. I'm not big on excuses so please accept this as an explanation instead.
Vaughn Tolle said:
CF, I'd hope that would be true. As posted, just some musings as I was making my way through the "brown bag" I prepared this morning.
WSClark said:
You can look at this most anyway you want, but we have either lost this one or the wingnuts have won. They are enjoying their Rushfest and seem quite happy not to have to defend their overtly biased opinions. Unchallenged lies seems to be the standard procedure now.
As I noted yesterday, the absolute worst of the worst are congratulating themselves on their decorum and blog etiquette. Of all people, Khan is the self-appointed thread monitor and guardian of morality.
The WE EDitors are going to ignore us. More wingnuts are appearing by the hour and soon they will be back up to the numbers that they formerly had when we participated. To be honest, I feel that the Editors knew that the Blog was at a breaking point and they chose to let it break where it may. It broke for the conservatives.
Of course the blog is more civil now. The only left of center folks on the blog now are J R and Hard Truth. They are just patting themselves on the back and whining about Bill and Hillary Clinton. The same old talking points are being recited like verses from the Bible.
We lost this one and there is no point in going back to WE Blog. The Editors are not going to change anything and now the forum is the sole property of the right wing. We may as well announce our intentions of never returning and get it over with. This Wichita Voice is a good forum. The hosts have treated us well and we should reward them by announcing our intentions to stay.
It is sad that the WE Blog forum could not be repaired, but when the posters that for the very first time addressed me as "Heevie" is now the WE Blog's Hall Monitor, there is really no reason to pretend that it is going to change.
It would be my suggestion that we notify WE Blog that we will not be back and outline our reasons why. Forget a boycott and announce an exodus.
Let the bastards have WE Blog. The Editors have demonstrated that they have little interest in cleaning up the outhouse. Let them have it.
Those are my thoughts and my intentions.
As I noted yesterday, the absolute worst of the worst are congratulating themselves on their decorum and blog etiquette. Of all people, Khan is the self-appointed thread monitor and guardian of morality.
The WE EDitors are going to ignore us. More wingnuts are appearing by the hour and soon they will be back up to the numbers that they formerly had when we participated. To be honest, I feel that the Editors knew that the Blog was at a breaking point and they chose to let it break where it may. It broke for the conservatives.
Of course the blog is more civil now. The only left of center folks on the blog now are J R and Hard Truth. They are just patting themselves on the back and whining about Bill and Hillary Clinton. The same old talking points are being recited like verses from the Bible.
We lost this one and there is no point in going back to WE Blog. The Editors are not going to change anything and now the forum is the sole property of the right wing. We may as well announce our intentions of never returning and get it over with. This Wichita Voice is a good forum. The hosts have treated us well and we should reward them by announcing our intentions to stay.
It is sad that the WE Blog forum could not be repaired, but when the posters that for the very first time addressed me as "Heevie" is now the WE Blog's Hall Monitor, there is really no reason to pretend that it is going to change.
It would be my suggestion that we notify WE Blog that we will not be back and outline our reasons why. Forget a boycott and announce an exodus.
Let the bastards have WE Blog. The Editors have demonstrated that they have little interest in cleaning up the outhouse. Let them have it.
Those are my thoughts and my intentions.
Gster said:
Linda- Go ahead and use that line. My other problem is that I see far more than I ever understand!
Is anyone else having trouble downloading on this site? I can go anywhere else with no problem, but this afternoon this site is taking 20-30 minutes to load a single page!
Is anyone else having trouble downloading on this site? I can go anywhere else with no problem, but this afternoon this site is taking 20-30 minutes to load a single page!
TRACY said:
Eight U.S. Attorneys, fired because they wouldn't follow orders by the Bush Administration.
Fired because they refused to go on witch-hunts against Democrats, or ignored the Republicans' blatant disregard for the law. Fired so that they could be replaced by talking heads and loyalists of the Bush Administration.
When Scooter Libby was convicted, I said that this administration reminded me of Richard Nixon's administration -- more obsessed with their critics than with the jobs the American people entrust them with. But this latest White House scandal takes that comparison to another level.
Just what did George Bush, Karl Rove, Alberto Gonzales and the rest of the Bush White House and Republican senior staff know about the Justice Department firings -- and when did they know it?
Fired because they refused to go on witch-hunts against Democrats, or ignored the Republicans' blatant disregard for the law. Fired so that they could be replaced by talking heads and loyalists of the Bush Administration.
When Scooter Libby was convicted, I said that this administration reminded me of Richard Nixon's administration -- more obsessed with their critics than with the jobs the American people entrust them with. But this latest White House scandal takes that comparison to another level.
Just what did George Bush, Karl Rove, Alberto Gonzales and the rest of the Bush White House and Republican senior staff know about the Justice Department firings -- and when did they know it?
CF said:
WSClark,
Well, as I said before, do as you feel you ought to do. But I would caution you about over-interpreting the actions or intentions of the editors.
Well, as I said before, do as you feel you ought to do. But I would caution you about over-interpreting the actions or intentions of the editors.
TRACY said:
WSC, if they take a hardnosed stance and do not even reply, then what victory?
IMHO, we have triumphed by managing to get people away from the asylum, before we all grow bitter like those we despise.
Don't worry ~ BE HAPPY!
IMHO, we have triumphed by managing to get people away from the asylum, before we all grow bitter like those we despise.
Don't worry ~ BE HAPPY!
WSClark said:
I will admend my comments with one caveat and that is; I am all about solidarity and supporting my friends. When you are my friend, you have a friend for life and I will never back down from that.
As a wiseman once, friends help you move. Good friends help you move bodies.
If this motley group of left wingers decide to go back to WE Blog, I will go also in a show of solidarity.
As a wiseman once, friends help you move. Good friends help you move bodies.
If this motley group of left wingers decide to go back to WE Blog, I will go also in a show of solidarity.
CF said:
WSClark,
Have you seen this nonsense? Patrick Leahey is going to wait A WEEK before deciding whether or not to subpeona Karl Rove or Alberto Gonzales.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17627463/
What the hell. Why place nice, and give them another week in which to destroy emails and shred evidence?
Have you seen this nonsense? Patrick Leahey is going to wait A WEEK before deciding whether or not to subpeona Karl Rove or Alberto Gonzales.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17627463/
What the hell. Why place nice, and give them another week in which to destroy emails and shred evidence?
Predestined said:
~~Change names and continue going after CF like stink on poop.
Nuff said?~~
Uh, no. LOL Isn't that the same tactic used by those we...abhor? (Hey, I'm trying to be kind.)
Tracy, you've had good reason to go on the attack after what was said about you. I don't know how I would have handled it. Maybe the same way you did. But once I open my mouth or let my fingers fly where something like this is concerned, I remember the old (butchered here) Shakespeare quote: "Methinks he doth protest too much." That's when I know it's time to shut up.
As I've said before, there have been tons of times that I've typed a biting reply, only to retype it a few more times. By then, I'm all bit out and can post something more appropriate and actually stronger.
Which is not to say that we have to police each other. I thank you for you input and will keep it in mind. :)
Nuff said?~~
Uh, no. LOL Isn't that the same tactic used by those we...abhor? (Hey, I'm trying to be kind.)
Tracy, you've had good reason to go on the attack after what was said about you. I don't know how I would have handled it. Maybe the same way you did. But once I open my mouth or let my fingers fly where something like this is concerned, I remember the old (butchered here) Shakespeare quote: "Methinks he doth protest too much." That's when I know it's time to shut up.
As I've said before, there have been tons of times that I've typed a biting reply, only to retype it a few more times. By then, I'm all bit out and can post something more appropriate and actually stronger.
Which is not to say that we have to police each other. I thank you for you input and will keep it in mind. :)
WSClark said:
It's a bit like quitting smoking, Trace. You actually quit cold turkey, but first you cut back to ease the withdrawl symptoms a bit. Maybe we should ease our withdrawl a bit with a little name calling.
Tracy, you're a god damned left wing heterosexual!!!
CF, you are a Jew loving blog banger!!!
Christ, I feel better now.
GSter, you are a rational wanker full of appreciation!!!!
Now I am feeling good!!!
Linda Inks, you are an old lady filled with youthful indescretions!!!!
Jeez, this is fun!!!!
Tracy, you're a god damned left wing heterosexual!!!
CF, you are a Jew loving blog banger!!!
Christ, I feel better now.
GSter, you are a rational wanker full of appreciation!!!!
Now I am feeling good!!!
Linda Inks, you are an old lady filled with youthful indescretions!!!!
Jeez, this is fun!!!!
Predestined said:
Will, don't get mad at me, but I have to say this. You're sounding like the Dems in Congress.
Lose? We haven't lost. In fact, I think we'll be stronger and better for this, because we are in solidarity. Let those left behind (excluding JR, HardTruth and even MonkeyHawk) have the place for 2 weeks, because when we return, we will prove that we are the CHAMPIONS! (cue music) Okay, that's a little over the top, but what the heck? I always wanted to be a cheerleader (NOT!).
I think I'm going to start taking notes on the insane comments going on over there, so when I go back, I'll have my guns loaded with facts and a nice arsenal built up. I'll just add that I've found that killing them with kindness is by far the most tortuous of deaths. Now, to find something as sweet as Hank's I-still-love-ya remark...
Stay with us, Will.
Lose? We haven't lost. In fact, I think we'll be stronger and better for this, because we are in solidarity. Let those left behind (excluding JR, HardTruth and even MonkeyHawk) have the place for 2 weeks, because when we return, we will prove that we are the CHAMPIONS! (cue music) Okay, that's a little over the top, but what the heck? I always wanted to be a cheerleader (NOT!).
I think I'm going to start taking notes on the insane comments going on over there, so when I go back, I'll have my guns loaded with facts and a nice arsenal built up. I'll just add that I've found that killing them with kindness is by far the most tortuous of deaths. Now, to find something as sweet as Hank's I-still-love-ya remark...
Stay with us, Will.
Gster said:
WSC- I don't know how to take a "wanker"(what is it?), and if I'm rational it's due to the fact I'm good at math. Other than that, I think responsibility is meant to be shirked , at least some of the time.
J R said:
WS
You sound worse than I did yesterday.
Don't anyone assume I have lowered myself to the status of "blog pet" over there.
Wish I knew numbers on the decline in posts.
Mixed thoughts again. The bad actors are having a field day. But they are not having much fun.
I am done posting for today over there unless I see someone or something worth addressing.
I don't think you will get the editors to change anything. I am actually hoping you don't have to.
The old time wingnuts are mostly silent. SO FAR I don't see many wild abuses of their new found freedom to throw whatever shit they want up and have it stick.
You sound worse than I did yesterday.
Don't anyone assume I have lowered myself to the status of "blog pet" over there.
Wish I knew numbers on the decline in posts.
Mixed thoughts again. The bad actors are having a field day. But they are not having much fun.
I am done posting for today over there unless I see someone or something worth addressing.
I don't think you will get the editors to change anything. I am actually hoping you don't have to.
The old time wingnuts are mostly silent. SO FAR I don't see many wild abuses of their new found freedom to throw whatever shit they want up and have it stick.
WSClark said:
"I don't know how to take a "wanker"(what is it?)"
English based slang - technically a penis reference, but the connotation is not the same as "dick" in Americanese. It means "good old boy" as in a friend, a bit of a left-handed compliment, as in "he's a good wanker" a good guy.
English based slang - technically a penis reference, but the connotation is not the same as "dick" in Americanese. It means "good old boy" as in a friend, a bit of a left-handed compliment, as in "he's a good wanker" a good guy.
darwinsdisciple said:
WSClark,
You can do what you want, obviously, but I would suggest holding off on stating a permanent break with the WE Blog. We don't know what the future will hold in terms of what the Eds will or won't do.
As Bonnie Raitt says "we have some time, so let's take it."
Elaborating on CF's comment about Leahey, why has there never been an uproar about a campaign strategist being on the WhiteHouse payroll for 6 years, so far? Rove makes the highest amount of money you can as a Federal civil servant - in the neighborhood of $150K. It is an outrage that no one seems to care about. I'm pretty sure we will have to indict him for a crime to take away his salary. It is pathetic.
You can do what you want, obviously, but I would suggest holding off on stating a permanent break with the WE Blog. We don't know what the future will hold in terms of what the Eds will or won't do.
As Bonnie Raitt says "we have some time, so let's take it."
Elaborating on CF's comment about Leahey, why has there never been an uproar about a campaign strategist being on the WhiteHouse payroll for 6 years, so far? Rove makes the highest amount of money you can as a Federal civil servant - in the neighborhood of $150K. It is an outrage that no one seems to care about. I'm pretty sure we will have to indict him for a crime to take away his salary. It is pathetic.
CF said:
WSClark,
Actually, I'm a Jew-bastard who loves black women. Jewish gals remind me too much of my mom. The whole Oedipal thing, you know.
Predestined and other folks,
I am thinking about how this hiatus gives us a chance to rethink our approach and to regroup. A good place to begin may be with the places we go for info.
Here is a list of my daily stops for info / perspective (roughly in order of frequency):
www.talkingpointsmemo.com
digbysblog.blogspot.com
thenewsblog.net
atrios.blogspot.com
mahablog.com
juancole.com
susiemadrak.com
firedoglake.com
tomdispatch.com
huffingtonpost.com
crooksandliars.com
salon.com (for Sidney Blumenthal)
These, that is, in addition to the usual MSM suspects, that are, to varying degrees, suspect.
nytimes.com
washingtonpost.com
ap.org
independent.co.uk
I would like to see the lists that other folks generate.
Knowing who is looking where and for what could be a start in figuring out how we might continue to work together in the usual freewheeling, yet perhaps more focused and authoritative, fashion.
Actually, I'm a Jew-bastard who loves black women. Jewish gals remind me too much of my mom. The whole Oedipal thing, you know.
Predestined and other folks,
I am thinking about how this hiatus gives us a chance to rethink our approach and to regroup. A good place to begin may be with the places we go for info.
Here is a list of my daily stops for info / perspective (roughly in order of frequency):
www.talkingpointsmemo.com
digbysblog.blogspot.com
thenewsblog.net
atrios.blogspot.com
mahablog.com
juancole.com
susiemadrak.com
firedoglake.com
tomdispatch.com
huffingtonpost.com
crooksandliars.com
salon.com (for Sidney Blumenthal)
These, that is, in addition to the usual MSM suspects, that are, to varying degrees, suspect.
nytimes.com
washingtonpost.com
ap.org
independent.co.uk
I would like to see the lists that other folks generate.
Knowing who is looking where and for what could be a start in figuring out how we might continue to work together in the usual freewheeling, yet perhaps more focused and authoritative, fashion.
Predestined said:
Good gracious!! Did y'all see "DeLay is ready to tell all" stuff over there that Rhonda posted for our pleasure? Whoooweee! Them's some stinger remarks DeLay made. Surely he's not bitter. tee hee
Now to go read the posts... snicker
Now to go read the posts... snicker
Vaughn Tolle said:
Robert Novak's column on "The Hammer's" memoirs that apparently caught Rhonda's attention.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/novak/297745,CST-EDT-novak15.article
Apparently, Mr. DeLay's feelings were quite hurt by those he thought would provide cover for him; he seems particularly vindictive towards Newt Gingerich.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/novak/297745,CST-EDT-novak15.article
Apparently, Mr. DeLay's feelings were quite hurt by those he thought would provide cover for him; he seems particularly vindictive towards Newt Gingerich.
lindainks55 said:
CF,
If you're going to ALL those places why would I need to go anywhere? I'll just wait for your report. Sorry. I'm not quite that lazy, but am amazed at how many daily stops you make!
I always start my day with a stop at Dan Froomkin's White House Watch. His blog takes me to many other sources (I don't click them all) because his is a compilation and he is good at providing clicks to the source for further reading.
I stop at RealClearPolitics and read the titles that interest me.
I used to read Molly daily. May we stop for a moment of silence?
And I read the Boston Globe or at least scan the headlines and read some.
I get a weekly "google alert" on embryonic stem cell research and read many of those articles.
That's it. I'm feeling a bit guilty. But I come where you are and learn more... Does that count?
If you're going to ALL those places why would I need to go anywhere? I'll just wait for your report. Sorry. I'm not quite that lazy, but am amazed at how many daily stops you make!
I always start my day with a stop at Dan Froomkin's White House Watch. His blog takes me to many other sources (I don't click them all) because his is a compilation and he is good at providing clicks to the source for further reading.
I stop at RealClearPolitics and read the titles that interest me.
I used to read Molly daily. May we stop for a moment of silence?
And I read the Boston Globe or at least scan the headlines and read some.
I get a weekly "google alert" on embryonic stem cell research and read many of those articles.
That's it. I'm feeling a bit guilty. But I come where you are and learn more... Does that count?
darwinsdisciple said:
"Rove is also the deputy Chief of Staff, ergo his salary."
I thought that position was taken away from him in late 2005 so he could concentrate more on the elections. If that wasn't the position that he stepped down from, which one was it. These things changed when Andrew Card stepped down and a new chief of staff came on board (I am forgetting that person's name).
I thought that position was taken away from him in late 2005 so he could concentrate more on the elections. If that wasn't the position that he stepped down from, which one was it. These things changed when Andrew Card stepped down and a new chief of staff came on board (I am forgetting that person's name).
Vaughn Tolle said:
dd, he's still Deputy Chief of Staff. What happened, according to Wickipedia, is that his "domestic policy portfolio" was reduced so he could concentrate on the 2006 elections, but he retained his office, et al. BTW, I thought the same as you until recently, when I noticed in something I perused he was labeled as "political advisor and Deputy Chief of Staff".
CF said:
lindainks55,
That's great--none of your sources overlap with my own!
My idea is to construct a virtual map, and to see whether or not each major outlet/commentator has a set of eyes on it.
What are other folks looking at?
That's great--none of your sources overlap with my own!
My idea is to construct a virtual map, and to see whether or not each major outlet/commentator has a set of eyes on it.
What are other folks looking at?
Vaughn Tolle said:
Off the current set of topic(s):
As I have belabored at another place, our younger daughter attends Colby College, Waterville, ME. Due to her attendance there, I keep up with the college website, so I may be aware of what's going on.
Recently, the admissions office thereat has begun a blog, to which posts are made weekly by one of the folks who work there. Should you have high school students in the family (nuclear or extended) who are considering applying to college, especially to institutions that are private and somewhat competitive in the admissions process, I recommend reading the posts at that blog for a down to earth explanation of what goes on in the college admission process. There are posts there that deal specifically with the Colby campus and the Maine weather, so those may be skipped without losing anything as to the admission process; but there are four posts that I found to be particularly instructive.
If interested: www.colby.edu and click on the Admissions link; the blog posts are listed on the right column of the Admissions home page.
As I have belabored at another place, our younger daughter attends Colby College, Waterville, ME. Due to her attendance there, I keep up with the college website, so I may be aware of what's going on.
Recently, the admissions office thereat has begun a blog, to which posts are made weekly by one of the folks who work there. Should you have high school students in the family (nuclear or extended) who are considering applying to college, especially to institutions that are private and somewhat competitive in the admissions process, I recommend reading the posts at that blog for a down to earth explanation of what goes on in the college admission process. There are posts there that deal specifically with the Colby campus and the Maine weather, so those may be skipped without losing anything as to the admission process; but there are four posts that I found to be particularly instructive.
If interested: www.colby.edu and click on the Admissions link; the blog posts are listed on the right column of the Admissions home page.
CapnAmerica said:
Okay, a couple of thoughts before I'm outta here for the day and then some badly needed time off.
1. Here's what Republikhan (he's back to Republican now) posted on the open thread: "So what if a person posts under one identity or one thousand identities. It is absolutely their right to do it. There is nothing I can see in WE Blog rules that prohibits it. The WE Blog can remove content any time they wish."
To those of us that doubted Mr. Con's sincerity in his half-hearted denials of ever posting under another nic, this is as close to proof positive as one can get without access to the IP logs.
Nothing is going to change until we make it change. Republican is just whiling away the hours over there until he can troll us again like the son of a biatch he is. He demeans the entire discussion by being whatever he wants to be for the purposes of a thread: wanna be a Ph.D. visiting scholar from Africa? No problem. How about a black former military man with an old Negro-dialect speaking granny? Done it, check. Perhaps one finds the persona of a Turkman formerly from Iraq to lend some weight to his argument? Yup, he was that too. Need an experience to answer P-Mom's situation? Got a cousin with Down's. How about something clever about mortgage rates? Thank goodness he got his first mortgage before Carter became pres, even though it later turns out he was only 18 at the time when one couldn't legally get a mortgage . . . and on and on it goes.
2. WSC-- Dude. I totally have to respectfully disagree with your analysis. Look at the number of posts since we walked compared to the number of posts before. Not even HALF! And most of those posts are Republican and SOB and GMC70 (who's turning out to be more of a plick now than I even thought before) responding to JR.
You may be right that the editors do not care enough to respond--I have no idea what they're thinking right now.
But as far as the WEBlog goes, it's in its "last throes." It's about as much fun as a case of pink eye over there.
This is totally having the effect we wanted.
3. There're some other alternative actions we can take before we throw in the towel. For instance, Mr. Con is exactly right when he says that nothing prohibits "nic switching." Maybe we should do it, when we go back. Maybe we should do it all the time.
Maybe we should lie, magnificently and grandiosly, all the time, so that no one would be able to take anything that anyone posts seriously.
If the WEBlog editors are taking no pains to ensure the veracity of the posts, why should we take pains to do their jobs for them?
1. Here's what Republikhan (he's back to Republican now) posted on the open thread: "So what if a person posts under one identity or one thousand identities. It is absolutely their right to do it. There is nothing I can see in WE Blog rules that prohibits it. The WE Blog can remove content any time they wish."
To those of us that doubted Mr. Con's sincerity in his half-hearted denials of ever posting under another nic, this is as close to proof positive as one can get without access to the IP logs.
Nothing is going to change until we make it change. Republican is just whiling away the hours over there until he can troll us again like the son of a biatch he is. He demeans the entire discussion by being whatever he wants to be for the purposes of a thread: wanna be a Ph.D. visiting scholar from Africa? No problem. How about a black former military man with an old Negro-dialect speaking granny? Done it, check. Perhaps one finds the persona of a Turkman formerly from Iraq to lend some weight to his argument? Yup, he was that too. Need an experience to answer P-Mom's situation? Got a cousin with Down's. How about something clever about mortgage rates? Thank goodness he got his first mortgage before Carter became pres, even though it later turns out he was only 18 at the time when one couldn't legally get a mortgage . . . and on and on it goes.
2. WSC-- Dude. I totally have to respectfully disagree with your analysis. Look at the number of posts since we walked compared to the number of posts before. Not even HALF! And most of those posts are Republican and SOB and GMC70 (who's turning out to be more of a plick now than I even thought before) responding to JR.
You may be right that the editors do not care enough to respond--I have no idea what they're thinking right now.
But as far as the WEBlog goes, it's in its "last throes." It's about as much fun as a case of pink eye over there.
This is totally having the effect we wanted.
3. There're some other alternative actions we can take before we throw in the towel. For instance, Mr. Con is exactly right when he says that nothing prohibits "nic switching." Maybe we should do it, when we go back. Maybe we should do it all the time.
Maybe we should lie, magnificently and grandiosly, all the time, so that no one would be able to take anything that anyone posts seriously.
If the WEBlog editors are taking no pains to ensure the veracity of the posts, why should we take pains to do their jobs for them?
TRACY said:
WHOA, THERE CAPN!!
"Maybe we should do it, when we go back. Maybe we should do it all the time.
Maybe we should lie, magnificently and grandiosly, all the time, so that no one would be able to take anything that anyone posts seriously."
NOT FOR ME!
I've taken QUITE a bit of heat over this whole shabang.
Puh-leeeeeze, let's not resort to the very guerilla tactics we intend to protest!
The ONLY way to make our political party and/or ideals worth two cents, is to take the high road!
"Maybe we should do it, when we go back. Maybe we should do it all the time.
Maybe we should lie, magnificently and grandiosly, all the time, so that no one would be able to take anything that anyone posts seriously."
NOT FOR ME!
I've taken QUITE a bit of heat over this whole shabang.
Puh-leeeeeze, let's not resort to the very guerilla tactics we intend to protest!
The ONLY way to make our political party and/or ideals worth two cents, is to take the high road!
Predestined said:
Oh, Capn, my Capn, those are some off the wall and excellent thoughts. (Excuse my literary mode/mood today.)
I also noticed that they're doing their best to deny any culpability in nic switching and trolling. They've come up with one--ONE--instance they can prove on this side. One compared to how many of theirs? Oh, yes, they present themselves as pristine, and if that doesn't work, blame it on the WE because there are not "rules".
And now they blast JR and taunt some of us to return. Why? They're getting bored with each other. That's proof enough that they WANT to disrupt and call names and sling mud.
Funny, too, that they aren't propping up DeLay and are sounding more like us than like them. But then DeLay isn't making their heroes look good. My, my.
I AM taking notes.
And I just may return under a different name. If someone calls me out on it, I won't deny. After all, I'm a Gemini.
I also noticed that they're doing their best to deny any culpability in nic switching and trolling. They've come up with one--ONE--instance they can prove on this side. One compared to how many of theirs? Oh, yes, they present themselves as pristine, and if that doesn't work, blame it on the WE because there are not "rules".
And now they blast JR and taunt some of us to return. Why? They're getting bored with each other. That's proof enough that they WANT to disrupt and call names and sling mud.
Funny, too, that they aren't propping up DeLay and are sounding more like us than like them. But then DeLay isn't making their heroes look good. My, my.
I AM taking notes.
And I just may return under a different name. If someone calls me out on it, I won't deny. After all, I'm a Gemini.
longhorn said:
Hey! My trip to the big city was shortened, thankfully.
CF, I hit DU and the rude pundit, even if he doesnt post everyday. I hit crooks and liars, then the salina journal, the lawrence journal world, and the hays daily news. I check on the blogs of some of my pals. Somedays, I go to firedoglake and atrios.
Most days, I also go where the links take me, but that could be anywhere. I used to check the harris news website, but I dont do that much anymore.
CF, I hit DU and the rude pundit, even if he doesnt post everyday. I hit crooks and liars, then the salina journal, the lawrence journal world, and the hays daily news. I check on the blogs of some of my pals. Somedays, I go to firedoglake and atrios.
Most days, I also go where the links take me, but that could be anywhere. I used to check the harris news website, but I dont do that much anymore.
Gster said:
The thing I hated over "there", was if you dared to say something contrary to the offical dogma, you get the feeling it's ignored and the labeling, the pat phrases begin, etc. The the wide paint brush of "you people" is employed; when that occurrs, what folows immediately is a load of extremely low grade BS!
I always thought about what was presented and learned a lot and changed my position on many occasions as a result.
I always thought about what was presented and learned a lot and changed my position on many occasions as a result.
Predestined said:
Capn,
We don't know that the WE is or isn't taking steps. I doubt anything can be done immediately, if it even CAN be done. If we do, indeed, "win" and something is changed, then this boycott is more of a success than I would have imagined. I didn't really expect the WE to do anything. I certainly didn't expect anything to happen right away.
What we have been successful at is looking at ourselves a little more objectively. We really are part of the problem, although the smallest part, for sure.
Now that we've stated our concerns to the Eds, we have to prove that what we say is what we do. THAT'S what Tracy is right about.
Or do we want to change shirts and be hypocritical pompous idiots like those posting now are?
Sorry, that's a "not me" vote.
We don't know that the WE is or isn't taking steps. I doubt anything can be done immediately, if it even CAN be done. If we do, indeed, "win" and something is changed, then this boycott is more of a success than I would have imagined. I didn't really expect the WE to do anything. I certainly didn't expect anything to happen right away.
What we have been successful at is looking at ourselves a little more objectively. We really are part of the problem, although the smallest part, for sure.
Now that we've stated our concerns to the Eds, we have to prove that what we say is what we do. THAT'S what Tracy is right about.
Or do we want to change shirts and be hypocritical pompous idiots like those posting now are?
Sorry, that's a "not me" vote.
J R said:
Sorry to be the source of so much traffic over there.
I answer only worthy comments and give them no red meat to swarm on.
I agree with Capn about Khan/JM
Comfort is making some of them lazy.
Also, limited infighting has begun amongst themselves.
Lots of time to watch and learn and hope. In a way, this is an experiment. We have never observed the right under these conditions.
Well, when you come back? Why use an identity at all? Use empty space until THEY start bitching about it.
We have the force of numbers. If there is a poster we want to destroy out of neccesity? We ALL use their nic!
Just some ideas. Anybody miss me? Don't aim better!
I answer only worthy comments and give them no red meat to swarm on.
I agree with Capn about Khan/JM
Comfort is making some of them lazy.
Also, limited infighting has begun amongst themselves.
Lots of time to watch and learn and hope. In a way, this is an experiment. We have never observed the right under these conditions.
Well, when you come back? Why use an identity at all? Use empty space until THEY start bitching about it.
We have the force of numbers. If there is a poster we want to destroy out of neccesity? We ALL use their nic!
Just some ideas. Anybody miss me? Don't aim better!
longhorn said:
Nic switching just has no integrity and is deceitful. I agree with tracy, we should practice what we preach.
The post numbers are waaaaayyyy down. Even though I think someone is sneaking back in there and posting :) Could there be more of us than we realize? And if someone does sneak in there and post, please remind them they are only having a love fest because no one is disagreeing with them. Hell YEAH they are gracious when everyone agrees with their opinions.
I think this time out is working really well. I doubt any of them are too big on soul searching or self examination, but if any of them are capable of being participant/observers they should see how they are projecting what they do onto us. Not that we all havent had our moments.
I'm telling ya, the repuke strategy of "pin my weakness on you" has pickled their brains. Either that or it is a brilliant strategy for continuing to play to their base as they found them.
I dont expect the WE to make any changes, but I do think the number of posts should tell them something.
And the number of posts here! I think it is pretty funny that we are posting as much or more as their open thread.
Thanks again to the Wichita Voice guys. I hope we havent run you off your own blog...
The post numbers are waaaaayyyy down. Even though I think someone is sneaking back in there and posting :) Could there be more of us than we realize? And if someone does sneak in there and post, please remind them they are only having a love fest because no one is disagreeing with them. Hell YEAH they are gracious when everyone agrees with their opinions.
I think this time out is working really well. I doubt any of them are too big on soul searching or self examination, but if any of them are capable of being participant/observers they should see how they are projecting what they do onto us. Not that we all havent had our moments.
I'm telling ya, the repuke strategy of "pin my weakness on you" has pickled their brains. Either that or it is a brilliant strategy for continuing to play to their base as they found them.
I dont expect the WE to make any changes, but I do think the number of posts should tell them something.
And the number of posts here! I think it is pretty funny that we are posting as much or more as their open thread.
Thanks again to the Wichita Voice guys. I hope we havent run you off your own blog...
Predestined said:
I wish I could list my links. I had hundreds, literally. But when I reformatted my hard drive, somehow I missed saving them. (I know have an external hard drive for backup, so I'm gaining.) Believe me, I was not happy with myself about that.
A lot of my links were from others who shared. Because I can rarely get into my favorite polichat, I'm not getting many, and I just haven't had time to find them on my own, nor have I adopted a new schedule to make up for that. What can I say? I've been really, really busy, which is a GOOD thing!
A lot of my links were from others who shared. Because I can rarely get into my favorite polichat, I'm not getting many, and I just haven't had time to find them on my own, nor have I adopted a new schedule to make up for that. What can I say? I've been really, really busy, which is a GOOD thing!
Gster said:
I stick with the news places: CNN, ABC, MSNBC, GOOGLE NEWS & BBC,I don't have time during the day to consider anymore.
TRACY said:
Thanks to everybody.
One thing I know for sure is that this solidarity is WONDERFUL!
Well, my Pa ain't been outa bed yet today,
and he's got his bit all chomped up awaitin' on me.
I'm out for now.
One thing I know for sure is that this solidarity is WONDERFUL!
Well, my Pa ain't been outa bed yet today,
and he's got his bit all chomped up awaitin' on me.
I'm out for now.
lindainks55 said:
I have a question of someone who knows computers? Would that be our host, Dave? I peeked at the click on your name and I suspect you KNOW computers.
The editors "over there" talked about the number of hits they get. When we go over there to read is that counted as a hit? If I have a tab open for here and another for there (Mozilla) does it also count as a hit? I don't post anything -- and everyone here can count on the fact that when I say I will(or won't) I do (or don't), but have gone there to read. Although, today less than yesterday so maybe I'm into the weaning process.
I won't post under another nic unless I say openly I have changed from____. I'm in with the WE DO WHAT WE SAY.
Gster said:
Linda- I don't know but bet that any time you refresh your screen, it would count as a hit on their site. IMHO
Predestined said:
Linda, the answer is YES. Even a refresh is considered a HIT. I don't know if they log hits to each thread or not though. Each thread would be a different "page".
I've been checking on the Open Thread over there and occassionally (spelled wrong, I know) some of the others. Yes, I'm procrastinating, but still getting more done than I did yesterday.
I've been checking on the Open Thread over there and occassionally (spelled wrong, I know) some of the others. Yes, I'm procrastinating, but still getting more done than I did yesterday.
Predestined said:
I don't have a link to share, but I just received this in an email from a friend on an email loop. From what I can tell, it's from the ACLU.
Dear Friend,
When I joined the FBI in 1988, I swore to support, uphold and defend the Constitution. But I left when I started to question whether my government was fulfilling that oath. Like many of you, I joined the ACLU to fight the very kind of abuses the Department of Justice's own Inspector General outlined in a report released Friday.
As you may have seen, the Inspector General documented rampant FBI misuse and abuse of its expanded Patriot Act powers confirming much of what we have been saying: The FBI has stretched and even broken the law. To fix this, we need to demand that Congress reform the Patriot Act.
The report indicates the FBI misused and abused National Security Letters, which give agents sweeping powers to demand sensitive personal records with no court review. This proves that without checks and balances, the temptation to abuse power is overwhelming - particularly when you're getting pressure from your superiors.
President Bush wants the American people to believe Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and the FBI are part of the solution. They are part of the problem. Congress needs to act now to restore our rights and bring these abuses to an end.
As a former FBI Special Agent and now an ACLU Policy Counsel, I can tell you this: National Security Letters do nothing to protect us from terrorism, but have very serious consequences for civil liberties.
They allow the FBI to launch sweeping fishing expeditions into people's private records - even with no facts connecting the records requested to a suspected terrorist, and no oversight by any court. Making matters worse, more than half of these are being issued against Americans.
The FBI can even gag recipients of these letters from making the request public.
When you let those who enforce the law rubberstamp their own search warrants, you're asking for serious problems. Ask your Members of Congress to Reform the Patriot Act.
You can help restore our democracy by taking action today. It's up to us.
Sincerely,
Mike German
Policy Counsel
American Civil Liberties Union
P.S. Congress is planning three hearings in the coming weeks to investigate these abuses of the Patriot Act. Now is the time for lawmakers to hear from all of us that we want them to take action to restore our fundamental rights. Take action now.
(If anyone wants the links included in this letter, let me know.)
Dear Friend,
When I joined the FBI in 1988, I swore to support, uphold and defend the Constitution. But I left when I started to question whether my government was fulfilling that oath. Like many of you, I joined the ACLU to fight the very kind of abuses the Department of Justice's own Inspector General outlined in a report released Friday.
As you may have seen, the Inspector General documented rampant FBI misuse and abuse of its expanded Patriot Act powers confirming much of what we have been saying: The FBI has stretched and even broken the law. To fix this, we need to demand that Congress reform the Patriot Act.
The report indicates the FBI misused and abused National Security Letters, which give agents sweeping powers to demand sensitive personal records with no court review. This proves that without checks and balances, the temptation to abuse power is overwhelming - particularly when you're getting pressure from your superiors.
President Bush wants the American people to believe Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and the FBI are part of the solution. They are part of the problem. Congress needs to act now to restore our rights and bring these abuses to an end.
As a former FBI Special Agent and now an ACLU Policy Counsel, I can tell you this: National Security Letters do nothing to protect us from terrorism, but have very serious consequences for civil liberties.
They allow the FBI to launch sweeping fishing expeditions into people's private records - even with no facts connecting the records requested to a suspected terrorist, and no oversight by any court. Making matters worse, more than half of these are being issued against Americans.
The FBI can even gag recipients of these letters from making the request public.
When you let those who enforce the law rubberstamp their own search warrants, you're asking for serious problems. Ask your Members of Congress to Reform the Patriot Act.
You can help restore our democracy by taking action today. It's up to us.
Sincerely,
Mike German
Policy Counsel
American Civil Liberties Union
P.S. Congress is planning three hearings in the coming weeks to investigate these abuses of the Patriot Act. Now is the time for lawmakers to hear from all of us that we want them to take action to restore our fundamental rights. Take action now.
(If anyone wants the links included in this letter, let me know.)
CF said:
Thanks to everybody for sharing you favorite sites. I'll continue to see what people say.
Some of you may remember that last summer I, CF, took a couple of months off. I know others have, too. It's necessary to regain perspective, and to avoid becoming what you hate.
I, for one, would sooner give up my computer than pull any of the underhanded cyber terrorist tricks practiced by the Wingnuts and their minions. "What profits it a man if he should gain the world and lose his soul" and all that.
As for where this boycott is headed, who can say. The Wingnuts can't win on substance, so they've resorted to various sorts of trickery and gaming the system. I say we bide our time and think strategically about how to do an end-run around their deliberate tactics of obfuscation and putting their fingers in their ears and chanting 'nyah nyah nyah you can't make me see/hear/acknowledge anything that hurts my position.'
Other than that, I'll check in tomorrow. TTFN.
Some of you may remember that last summer I, CF, took a couple of months off. I know others have, too. It's necessary to regain perspective, and to avoid becoming what you hate.
I, for one, would sooner give up my computer than pull any of the underhanded cyber terrorist tricks practiced by the Wingnuts and their minions. "What profits it a man if he should gain the world and lose his soul" and all that.
As for where this boycott is headed, who can say. The Wingnuts can't win on substance, so they've resorted to various sorts of trickery and gaming the system. I say we bide our time and think strategically about how to do an end-run around their deliberate tactics of obfuscation and putting their fingers in their ears and chanting 'nyah nyah nyah you can't make me see/hear/acknowledge anything that hurts my position.'
Other than that, I'll check in tomorrow. TTFN.
CF said:
OK, all lies from CF.
I confess: I DID check at Weblog today, thereby boosting their numbers by one click. My bad.
But Jesus, what a bunch of predictable jerk-offs. Someone, I believe RePubicMan, had solemly intoned that the Attorey Scandal was a manufactured media story and had summarily declared "nothing to see here" (note to liberals: any time a Wingnut uses this phrase--Hank Price is especially prone to doing so--it needs to become our signal for heaping scorn. That is, when we use it, it's our way of declaring victory--much the way they claim victory whenever they get to unsheathe that holiest of Wingnut insults: 'conspiracy theory!')
But I digress. Late breaking story from late today: a 2005 email PROVING that the idea of replacing U.S. Attorneys originated with Karl Rove.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/sampsonrove-...
I expect the Wingnuts will have found some other topic of conversation to occupy themselves by tomorrow. More's the pity, since I expect this story is going to go on percolating for awhile. Going to be a long Spring of subpeonas and committee hearings, methinks.
What a bunch of piss artists. Wait, my bad: that's "artistes."
I confess: I DID check at Weblog today, thereby boosting their numbers by one click. My bad.
But Jesus, what a bunch of predictable jerk-offs. Someone, I believe RePubicMan, had solemly intoned that the Attorey Scandal was a manufactured media story and had summarily declared "nothing to see here" (note to liberals: any time a Wingnut uses this phrase--Hank Price is especially prone to doing so--it needs to become our signal for heaping scorn. That is, when we use it, it's our way of declaring victory--much the way they claim victory whenever they get to unsheathe that holiest of Wingnut insults: 'conspiracy theory!')
But I digress. Late breaking story from late today: a 2005 email PROVING that the idea of replacing U.S. Attorneys originated with Karl Rove.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/sampsonrove-...
I expect the Wingnuts will have found some other topic of conversation to occupy themselves by tomorrow. More's the pity, since I expect this story is going to go on percolating for awhile. Going to be a long Spring of subpeonas and committee hearings, methinks.
What a bunch of piss artists. Wait, my bad: that's "artistes."
WSClark said:
So, no Bartcop fans here? No low life DU types? No one that visits the BuzzFlash? MoveOn.org?
Dang, I thought you folks were LIBERALS!
Dang, I thought you folks were LIBERALS!
longhorn said:
Yeah CF, I think it's time to pop the corn and watch. It's the Austin cabal. Harriet Miers, Alberto G, KKKarl, and the silent players this time, Karen Hughes and Joe Allbaugh. You remember Joe? Of Fema fame? He was Brownie's roomate in college? Scottie was in there too, but they threw him under the bus early. The Austin cabal knows how to play smash mouth, but finesse was never their strong point. True Texans :)
And WC, I hang at DU all the time. I dont post there, it takes all my time there just to read.
And WC, I hang at DU all the time. I dont post there, it takes all my time there just to read.
longhorn said:
I like the "unnamed" Democrat today who said (paraphrasing) every tree we've barked up has had a cat in it and we've only been at this two months. Imagine where we will be in six months.
Here's to a long spring of supeonas!
Here's to a long spring of supeonas!
Predestined said:
If the Dems thought gaining control of Congress would give them that stroll-in-the-park feeling, they were wrong. It's going to be an uphill battle. I hope they're in shape for it, but I sometimes have my doubts. It appears we have the House, but the Senate is going to be a bloodletting.
WASHINGTON - Democrats aggressively challenged President Bush's Iraq policy at both ends of the Capitol on Thursday, gaining House committee approval for a troop withdrawal deadline of Sept. 1, 2008, but suffering defeat in the Senate on a less sweeping plan to end U.S. participation in the war.
WASHINGTON - Democrats aggressively challenged President Bush's Iraq policy at both ends of the Capitol on Thursday, gaining House committee approval for a troop withdrawal deadline of Sept. 1, 2008, but suffering defeat in the Senate on a less sweeping plan to end U.S. participation in the war.
WSClark said:
"every tree we've barked up has had a cat in it"
Now, that's funny!
Too bad it is true, also.
Now, that's funny!
Too bad it is true, also.
longhorn said:
Ya know... this news about kkkarl and alberto g sure has kicked cheney and scooter and the whole Plame scandal off the front pages.
I wouldnt think these rat bastards are above mfg something like this because it isnt as bad as the scandal they are wiping off?
Or is this dead eye dick and mary matalin's way of giving the rovester a spanking for throwing scooter away to protect kkkarl? A little payback?
Heee. I love the smell of wingnuts turning on each other. No matter WHERE OR WHEN!
I wouldnt think these rat bastards are above mfg something like this because it isnt as bad as the scandal they are wiping off?
Or is this dead eye dick and mary matalin's way of giving the rovester a spanking for throwing scooter away to protect kkkarl? A little payback?
Heee. I love the smell of wingnuts turning on each other. No matter WHERE OR WHEN!
longhorn said:
Well, IMHO, Harry Reid is no Nancy Pelosi :)
Freakin' LIEberman. The dems cater to him and he is just LOVING how they dance on the end of his string. The repukes fawn over him. It's gonna be long two years until we can take a few more seats and make him irrelevant.
Ya know on the coultergeist thread, we didnt even MENTION the wingnut comments when Tim Johnson fell ill. Hell, they had him buried, his replacement appointed by the repuke gov, and the senate changing hands before the guy was even out of surgery. Talk about ghoulish!
The good news is that he seems to be recovering well. Too bad the same cant be said for LIEberman. (Devilish grin)
Freakin' LIEberman. The dems cater to him and he is just LOVING how they dance on the end of his string. The repukes fawn over him. It's gonna be long two years until we can take a few more seats and make him irrelevant.
Ya know on the coultergeist thread, we didnt even MENTION the wingnut comments when Tim Johnson fell ill. Hell, they had him buried, his replacement appointed by the repuke gov, and the senate changing hands before the guy was even out of surgery. Talk about ghoulish!
The good news is that he seems to be recovering well. Too bad the same cant be said for LIEberman. (Devilish grin)
longhorn said:
Wow. Scarborough is going off on Rosie again for some comments she made about KSM? Holy cow. Glad I'm not Rosie's stand-in again on the other blog. The wingnuts will go crazy again.
longhorn said:
Oh yeah, they are wingnuts gone wild about the View. I think they need to give Rosie her own show on MSNBC, right before Keith O. And then they need to give Roseann Scarborough's slot. She was AWESOME on Real Time last week! Forged documents!!!
J R said:
Ok who are some of you?
I get that pre is Rox. But who is longhorn?
Hey one thing this is doing is making the right over there very careless, lazy, and even more stupid than usual.
The Republican JM is just burying himself deeper and deeper in his own lies.
Is one of you moonlighting as "Condor"? If not the WEblog has picked up a good new poster.
cosmos is still about. That's good. He is killer with links and can't get sucked into or inspire a many posted brawl.
He can smack 'em down and leave 'em slack jawed.
I'm out of clean socks and could you send some candy money? Life on camp WEblog has become decidedly dull.
I get that pre is Rox. But who is longhorn?
Hey one thing this is doing is making the right over there very careless, lazy, and even more stupid than usual.
The Republican JM is just burying himself deeper and deeper in his own lies.
Is one of you moonlighting as "Condor"? If not the WEblog has picked up a good new poster.
cosmos is still about. That's good. He is killer with links and can't get sucked into or inspire a many posted brawl.
He can smack 'em down and leave 'em slack jawed.
I'm out of clean socks and could you send some candy money? Life on camp WEblog has become decidedly dull.
longhorn said:
JR, you dont recognize mah draaawwwwll?
This is farm girl. I'm getting in touch with my inner Texan. And I'm homesick for Austin. Hook 'em!
This is farm girl. I'm getting in touch with my inner Texan. And I'm homesick for Austin. Hook 'em!
longhorn said:
"I'm out of clean socks and could you send some candy money? Life on camp WEblog"
That is FUNNY JR!
Ok you guys, keep posing here. I'm tired of my own voice. We need 100+ posts for today, and time is running out. Especially for this "early to bed early to rise" farmgrrl. Maybe I'm just filling in to prevent dead air until the night DJ's arrive? :)
That is FUNNY JR!
Ok you guys, keep posing here. I'm tired of my own voice. We need 100+ posts for today, and time is running out. Especially for this "early to bed early to rise" farmgrrl. Maybe I'm just filling in to prevent dead air until the night DJ's arrive? :)
Predestined said:
I wouldn't miss Real Time for anything. It's the main reason we have HBO.
JR, glad to see you posting here.
I wasn't surprised with Phillip's answer. The PTB just aren't going to cave. Nothing new in my life about that.
JR, glad to see you posting here.
I wasn't surprised with Phillip's answer. The PTB just aren't going to cave. Nothing new in my life about that.
longhorn said:
goddammit, I'm gonna play elevator music if you all dont start posting!!!
Or worse! Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, and Terry Bradshaw singing in three part harmony. With David Hasselhoff doing backups!
Or worse! Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, and Terry Bradshaw singing in three part harmony. With David Hasselhoff doing backups!
lindainks55 said:
I'm hesitating to post since I already jumped to a conclusion today and as usual made myself look pretty foolish. Then, hubby took me out and I had a few Captain Morgan’s with DIET coke. Why is it the biggest of us has diet coke?? Today is the day you all have to be friends and let me show my butt and still understand, respect… It has been a difficult one.
I will try very hard not to add to the "hits" at WEBlog tomorrow. If we have something going on here that will help.
I am a BIG college basketball fan and a bigger KU fan so tomorrow I might be AWOL for a few games if the scores are close.
I will try very hard not to add to the "hits" at WEBlog tomorrow. If we have something going on here that will help.
I am a BIG college basketball fan and a bigger KU fan so tomorrow I might be AWOL for a few games if the scores are close.
Longhorn said:
Linda, dont be so self conscious. You were invited here 'cause we like ya and want you to post. Just assume everyone here likes you and respects you and wants to hear more from you.
Trust me. If they think differently? They'll tell ya.
I read something the other day that people who drink diet soft drinks tend to gain MORE weight than people who drink regular soda. And a greater percentage of diet drinkers are overweight than regular soda drinkers.
The study didnt say why that was true. So I wondered...
do diet coke drinkers get heavy or do heavy people drink diet coke? heheheheh Like usual, I play against type. I drink regular soda AND I'm a very big girl.
Trust me. If they think differently? They'll tell ya.
I read something the other day that people who drink diet soft drinks tend to gain MORE weight than people who drink regular soda. And a greater percentage of diet drinkers are overweight than regular soda drinkers.
The study didnt say why that was true. So I wondered...
do diet coke drinkers get heavy or do heavy people drink diet coke? heheheheh Like usual, I play against type. I drink regular soda AND I'm a very big girl.
Predestined said:
Does Diet Coke still contain aspertame? Stay away from that stuff, Linda.
I'm trying to switch to green tea. From what I've been researching and reading, it's good stuff. And since I'm not Southern, I like my tea straight (or flavored, but not sugared) with lemon. I'm trying some mint flavoring later.
I'm trying to switch to green tea. From what I've been researching and reading, it's good stuff. And since I'm not Southern, I like my tea straight (or flavored, but not sugared) with lemon. I'm trying some mint flavoring later.
Predestined said:
Awwwwwww.... :(
I've played enough today, so I have to go work. Linda, expect an email from me, if I can get my brain in gear.
I've played enough today, so I have to go work. Linda, expect an email from me, if I can get my brain in gear.
longhorn said:
Well you know us texas girls like our tea sweet!
John Prine described his girlfriend this way. "She was sweeter 'n saccrin at a drugstore sale".
Sweet tea with mint. And a little maker's mark doesnt hurt either :)
John Prine described his girlfriend this way. "She was sweeter 'n saccrin at a drugstore sale".
Sweet tea with mint. And a little maker's mark doesnt hurt either :)
longhorn said:
HEE HEE HEE Yeah, pre. I think we are at about 104 or 105. Hate to see ya go.
Linda, you said you wondered who we all are. What would you like to know? Or is the Captain sending you to bed early too? hehe
Linda, you said you wondered who we all are. What would you like to know? Or is the Captain sending you to bed early too? hehe
lindainks55 said:
That is way too much to think about when you've had a few of those diet cokes with Capt Morgan in them. I never drink any soda till it has something more in it. I never gained a pound until I quit smoking four years ago. Well, let me tell you... No, I don't want to talk about it. I still can't figure out why obesity is healthier than smoking!
OK, thanks for the advice longhorn. I will post away and take it as it comes. And, I'll probably read more than I post -- cause you guys are GOOD! Usually someone else has posted what I think or posted why I don't agree...
OK, thanks for the advice longhorn. I will post away and take it as it comes. And, I'll probably read more than I post -- cause you guys are GOOD! Usually someone else has posted what I think or posted why I don't agree...
longhorn said:
I started keeping green tea bags at the restaurant because I have a lot of hot tea drinkers and they started asking for green tea. If there is enough demand, I'll keep brewed iced green tea this summer.
lindainks55 said:
I'm gonna have to wait to get to know you all. Yes, bedtime is early tonight. But, I am looking forward to making your aquaintance!
longhorn said:
Linda, we are just SO GOOD, we are all legends in our own minds. NOT! I've learned not to take on people in their area of expertise. You'll catch on pretty quick. I dont post much on science threads or much about international affairs.
Mostly I enjoy raisin' hell about national and state issues. I especially enjoy skewering religion ane republicans, which accounts for all the rotten tomatoes splattering my posts.
Mostly I enjoy raisin' hell about national and state issues. I especially enjoy skewering religion ane republicans, which accounts for all the rotten tomatoes splattering my posts.
longhorn said:
We are well over 100 posts for the day so I feel like my work here is done. I am assuming the night crew will be here soon. I'm gonna put on some elevator music and call it a night myself.
J R said:
Unless there is a good thread or someone posts something thoughtful I will let the WEblog go hungry tomorrow. I gave them more today than I should.
Know what is encouraging? ksgrm and little miss fossil fuels have moderated their stance on global warming. It seems if these folks quit blindly flailing away defending the indefensible, they maybe stop and actually think.
We worked on etiquette and playing well with others today. We touched on shared responsiblity. We'll be going deeper into that next week. I don't want to give them more than they can handle.
Maybe we will do some lanyards or something.
J R
Know what is encouraging? ksgrm and little miss fossil fuels have moderated their stance on global warming. It seems if these folks quit blindly flailing away defending the indefensible, they maybe stop and actually think.
We worked on etiquette and playing well with others today. We touched on shared responsiblity. We'll be going deeper into that next week. I don't want to give them more than they can handle.
Maybe we will do some lanyards or something.
J R
WSClark said:
"I never gained a pound until I quit smoking four years ago."
Damn, I know what you mean. I quit for ten years then started dating a nurse that smoked. The relationship lasted three years but the smoking lasted a lot longer. I finally quit again this past Christmas. Since then, my NAVEL has grown to enormous proportions.
If I were to get my navel pierced, they would have to use the rear wheel from a Harley for the ring.
Pisses me off and I STILL want a cigarette.
Moral of the story - never date nurses.
Damn, I know what you mean. I quit for ten years then started dating a nurse that smoked. The relationship lasted three years but the smoking lasted a lot longer. I finally quit again this past Christmas. Since then, my NAVEL has grown to enormous proportions.
If I were to get my navel pierced, they would have to use the rear wheel from a Harley for the ring.
Pisses me off and I STILL want a cigarette.
Moral of the story - never date nurses.
Predestined said:
Remind me to turn off my email so I don't get post reminders.
Women gaining weight as they age is VERY common. I was just reading an article about it the other day. If it's not true, it's still my story and I'm sticking with it!
Is this the "entertainment" the cons were complaining about on the WEB? I am NOT entertained by weight gain.
Women gaining weight as they age is VERY common. I was just reading an article about it the other day. If it's not true, it's still my story and I'm sticking with it!
Is this the "entertainment" the cons were complaining about on the WEB? I am NOT entertained by weight gain.
Predestined said:
Oh, hell, Will, when I quit smoking some 18 years ago, I gained 20 pounds in the first week. I'm 5'3", and people kept asking me if I was pregnant. As it turned out, I DID get pregnant shortly after and gained even MORE. I went back to the nasty habit and haven't stopped since, although I keep saying I will.
Linda is right. Which will kill me first, cigarettes or obesity? Probably neither.
Linda is right. Which will kill me first, cigarettes or obesity? Probably neither.
WSClark said:
Oh, joy! Mr. Superiority, Dave Golf Nut is back on the WE Blog. I must have really gotten under his skin because right off the bat he had to make a (false) accusation about me.
To tell the truth, either I am asshole #1 or I hit way too close to the truth for some of the wingnuts. In scanned WE Blog for stragglers, I have noticed that a large bunch of cons have take shots at me in absentia. Several have accused me of posting under another nic. That hasn't happened either.
It's a bit funny, but they remind daily me why I am not going back.
To tell the truth, either I am asshole #1 or I hit way too close to the truth for some of the wingnuts. In scanned WE Blog for stragglers, I have noticed that a large bunch of cons have take shots at me in absentia. Several have accused me of posting under another nic. That hasn't happened either.
It's a bit funny, but they remind daily me why I am not going back.
darwinsdisciple said:
This is a good place to be. Who needs the headaches of the WE Blog.
If this place becomes disrupted, I know of another place.
If this place becomes disrupted, I know of another place.
Dubya said:
Shouldn't be disrupted...I think the biggest problem we were having at WE Blog is fixed here; no logging in as other people!! :)
darwinsdisciple said:
Good, dub.
Rox,
Tobacco would be a miracle drug, if just didn't ultimately kill you.
I was not able to quit until I grasped this important paradox. Quitting was not that difficult for me.
I was a thinner, but a less healthy person when I smoked. Tomorrow will be 8 years sans tobacco for me.
I'll be thinking of you then.
Rox,
Tobacco would be a miracle drug, if just didn't ultimately kill you.
I was not able to quit until I grasped this important paradox. Quitting was not that difficult for me.
I was a thinner, but a less healthy person when I smoked. Tomorrow will be 8 years sans tobacco for me.
I'll be thinking of you then.
darwinsdisciple said:
Sorry, I broke the boycott tonight. Nathan is coming home from Iraq, like now I guess.
Told Hank I was happy for him, then explained how I wished this deal was over for all American families. Especially, my own.
My wife's younger brother is an Army paratrooper: he served in Gulf War I, has been to Afghanistan once, and Iraq a second time this time, and now is going back to Iraq in 06-07. My brother-in-law's wife is expecting identical twin sons in June. They have three girls under the age of five. My wife is flying out to help in the early summer, as are several of her sisters (they are a large Catholic family).
Folks, it is time for this silly war/diversion to be over.
Told Hank I was happy for him, then explained how I wished this deal was over for all American families. Especially, my own.
My wife's younger brother is an Army paratrooper: he served in Gulf War I, has been to Afghanistan once, and Iraq a second time this time, and now is going back to Iraq in 06-07. My brother-in-law's wife is expecting identical twin sons in June. They have three girls under the age of five. My wife is flying out to help in the early summer, as are several of her sisters (they are a large Catholic family).
Folks, it is time for this silly war/diversion to be over.
TRACY said:
THANKS dubya! I'M HOME~~right here!
As this instigator of this whole wonderful drama,
I now declare that I'm out of the boycott business.
It was a whole lotta fun, AND WE WON!
We found a new home where everytime you see a post from TRACY, it's actually a post from TRACY!
What a wonderful concept!
As this instigator of this whole wonderful drama,
I now declare that I'm out of the boycott business.
It was a whole lotta fun, AND WE WON!
We found a new home where everytime you see a post from TRACY, it's actually a post from TRACY!
What a wonderful concept!
TRACY said:
I found this here, under the low-lifes header:
Comments
Speaking of low-lifes,
Dubya, you can't trust a damn thing that is posted at the Eagle's WE Blog.
political mom was not the author of racist remarks there.
If you read stuff there with my name on it, it's probably not mine either.
It's absolutely ridiculous how little consience and good sense is lacking in the trolling individuals over there. They'll be posting as you, along with your link, before you know it.
When they find out that racism is a hot issue with you, they will endlessly post racist remarks with your name on them.
It's absolutely immoral that Kansas.com refuses to implent registration or other means of stopping the offensive pukes.
That's why I made the remark about hoping the trolls did not follow me to your site.
Good luck over there.
Mostly hatred and over the top partisan sound bites over there anymore.
It used to be a good thing until they allowed this to carry on forever.
Posted By TRACY | 12/8/06 2:32 PM
Comments
Speaking of low-lifes,
Dubya, you can't trust a damn thing that is posted at the Eagle's WE Blog.
political mom was not the author of racist remarks there.
If you read stuff there with my name on it, it's probably not mine either.
It's absolutely ridiculous how little consience and good sense is lacking in the trolling individuals over there. They'll be posting as you, along with your link, before you know it.
When they find out that racism is a hot issue with you, they will endlessly post racist remarks with your name on them.
It's absolutely immoral that Kansas.com refuses to implent registration or other means of stopping the offensive pukes.
That's why I made the remark about hoping the trolls did not follow me to your site.
Good luck over there.
Mostly hatred and over the top partisan sound bites over there anymore.
It used to be a good thing until they allowed this to carry on forever.
Posted By TRACY | 12/8/06 2:32 PM
lindainks55 said:
Ok, Tracy, it's time for a tutorial. I might be the only person who needs it, but looks like I'm the only person here anyway.
Where and how do you find something called "the low-lifes header?"
I'm sure there are other areas of this new home I dont know how to use but don't know the questions either. :-(
Where and how do you find something called "the low-lifes header?"
I'm sure there are other areas of this new home I dont know how to use but don't know the questions either. :-(
Gster said:
Linda- It's on your "Low Life" I.D, card, If you don't have one, that's a good thing. I've have 3 for some strange reason (?).
TRACY said:
gster~~HA! again
Linda, go to the top of the page.
Click on WELCOME.
There's a list of other topics to blog on.
Don't EVER feel bad about not knowing.
None of us learned this crap by osmosis.
Linda, go to the top of the page.
Click on WELCOME.
There's a list of other topics to blog on.
Don't EVER feel bad about not knowing.
None of us learned this crap by osmosis.
longhorn said:
Good morning all. I wish I could stay awake long enough to play with the big kids on the night crew.
Dubya, I like it here. I intend to stay. I see we hit just about as many posts here as they did on their open thread. They are posting more today, and I expect that. I've noticed this before, that after a big dust up, the posts drop off and then climb back up.
The email exchanges were interesting last night. Might I suggest we bring a lot of that over here to pump up the posts and keep the conversation going? I dont know, maybe there are concerns about giving away too much information after how we all got hammered over on the other blog.
But private email conversations, which we know are not so private, cant be shared by all, and most of what was exchanged in email was just chatter.
I think the best way to thank our hosts, other than a delivery of fried chicken and potato salad, is to make their blog hum and drive traffic to it. I dont care if they sell ads. They need to make some money so they can keep doing this.
SO, lib bloggers, keep your fingers busy today! :) Uh, well, you know what I mean....
Dubya, I like it here. I intend to stay. I see we hit just about as many posts here as they did on their open thread. They are posting more today, and I expect that. I've noticed this before, that after a big dust up, the posts drop off and then climb back up.
The email exchanges were interesting last night. Might I suggest we bring a lot of that over here to pump up the posts and keep the conversation going? I dont know, maybe there are concerns about giving away too much information after how we all got hammered over on the other blog.
But private email conversations, which we know are not so private, cant be shared by all, and most of what was exchanged in email was just chatter.
I think the best way to thank our hosts, other than a delivery of fried chicken and potato salad, is to make their blog hum and drive traffic to it. I dont care if they sell ads. They need to make some money so they can keep doing this.
SO, lib bloggers, keep your fingers busy today! :) Uh, well, you know what I mean....
Predestined said:
I'll probably be MIA for most of today. I'm in the midst of plotting a new book, and if I don't dive in now and get it done...
Phillip's response was disappointing, but I was prepared for it. Maybe someday the PTB will get smart and install a better blog program. Until then, I'll stick with it when time allows and post here, too. The latter is because I don't want to lose touch with those who won't be returning to the WEB.
As for how to deal with the morons over there, maybe those of us who plan to return (I'm sticking with the April 1 date) can come up with some canned replies if it gets too bad? Something sharp, as in cutting, but nothing nasty. Said with a "smile", of course. I'll give it some thought while I'm trying to think. Just another means of procrastination, so I thank you. Or do I???
Have a great day, (boy)cotters! I'll check in later.
Phillip's response was disappointing, but I was prepared for it. Maybe someday the PTB will get smart and install a better blog program. Until then, I'll stick with it when time allows and post here, too. The latter is because I don't want to lose touch with those who won't be returning to the WEB.
As for how to deal with the morons over there, maybe those of us who plan to return (I'm sticking with the April 1 date) can come up with some canned replies if it gets too bad? Something sharp, as in cutting, but nothing nasty. Said with a "smile", of course.
Have a great day, (boy)cotters! I'll check in later.
J R said:
Well
I don't mind coming over here to say "hi", but remember, the only audience you have here is each other.
I hope you all decide to come back. Kansas needs the progressive dominated forum WE provided.
When/if you do return, I at least recommend we reconsider our higher than theirs standards. I've been prompting them to be decent. They don't seem much to care.
Certainly SOME posters deserve no consideration. I would say no holds barred against "RepublicanKhan JM" That guy is a certifiable sociopath. I really think he is behind a lot of the problems.
I don't mind coming over here to say "hi", but remember, the only audience you have here is each other.
I hope you all decide to come back. Kansas needs the progressive dominated forum WE provided.
When/if you do return, I at least recommend we reconsider our higher than theirs standards. I've been prompting them to be decent. They don't seem much to care.
Certainly SOME posters deserve no consideration. I would say no holds barred against "RepublicanKhan JM" That guy is a certifiable sociopath. I really think he is behind a lot of the problems.
Predestined said:
One thing before I disappear for a bit...
Do you know how small the world is? I hope these two don't mind me posting this, but I realized that RJ's "boss" at KCTU used to be MY old boss, long, long ago. Weird how things work out. Then to find out last night that I went to high school with Linda's husband (he was a year behind me) was enough to make me laugh last night.
Yeah, small world, indeed.
Do you know how small the world is? I hope these two don't mind me posting this, but I realized that RJ's "boss" at KCTU used to be MY old boss, long, long ago. Weird how things work out. Then to find out last night that I went to high school with Linda's husband (he was a year behind me) was enough to make me laugh last night.
Yeah, small world, indeed.
J R said:
Hey guys?
outlander posted that he does not understand why the boycott is a partisan effort. That if you were serious why not get more people involved. It is on the Conservatives debate bush competency thread. Could it be that he would work with us?
outlander posted that he does not understand why the boycott is a partisan effort. That if you were serious why not get more people involved. It is on the Conservatives debate bush competency thread. Could it be that he would work with us?
Predestined said:
JR,
I intended to come back, probably on April 1, just as we planned. That's not to say I'll be there a lot, but, as a gutsy broad, I will have my say.
I shout a big NO to including outlander. He's whining because he doesn't have anyone to argue with. It's partisan because that's the way it is in this country now, and he wants to know what we're doing and saying, and he's wondering if things there are going to get exciting again.
Sorry, I have a suspicious nature, and I just don't trust those guys.
I intended to come back, probably on April 1, just as we planned. That's not to say I'll be there a lot, but, as a gutsy broad, I will have my say.
I shout a big NO to including outlander. He's whining because he doesn't have anyone to argue with. It's partisan because that's the way it is in this country now, and he wants to know what we're doing and saying, and he's wondering if things there are going to get exciting again.
Sorry, I have a suspicious nature, and I just don't trust those guys.
Danny said:
Well,
I hope you all don't mind that I found this. (Yes, I am conservative), but I'll generally avoid the name calling. I think what you'd find most about me: conservative on some issues, liberal on some issues, and don't give a care in the world about others.
I hope you all don't mind that I found this. (Yes, I am conservative), but I'll generally avoid the name calling. I think what you'd find most about me: conservative on some issues, liberal on some issues, and don't give a care in the world about others.
Brenda said:
I wondered where you guys all went. I have been out of town so haven't been reading the WE blog. I have continued to read but I don't say much. I have been turned off by the name calling and shabby treatment of each other. It actually has been better since they din't have you guys to kick around! I have never thought of myself as a "liberal" but I felt very "leftist" after the WE blog. It seems nicer over here.
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