lindainks55 said:
Did you hear that Valerie Plame is appearing before a House committee this morning? It's Hank's dream come true. Wonder if he will be thinking it's a nightmare pretty soon?
This is long, but a bit of what I found at Dan Froomkin's White House Watch:
On the subject of avoiding responsibility and accountability Bush&Co. avoid using their official White House e-mail accounts -- the ones that get automatically archived.
This would appear to be the flipside of the issue that arose during the Clinton administration, when Vice President Al Gore improperly made fund-raising calls from his White House office. Here, rather than having party business being conducted using official resources, you have official business being conducted using party resources.
Also in Tuesday's document dump was a Jan. 8, 2007 e-mail from Steve Bell, the chief of staff to Sen. Pete Domenici, about the senator's preferred replacement for fired U.S. attorney David Iglesias. Bell sent that e-mail to three people -- including one "kr@georgewbush.com".
I wonder who that was.
And consider this: copies of e-mails between now-convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff and Susan Ralston, then an assistant to Karl Rove, showed her using a variety of e-mail addresses at georgewbush.com, rnchq.com and aol.com.
Will this be the nail in Gonzales's coffin?
Murray Waas writes today for the National Journal: "Shortly before Attorney General Alberto Gonzales advised President Bush last year on whether to shut down a Justice Department inquiry regarding the administration's warrantless domestic eavesdropping program, Gonzales learned that his own conduct would likely be a focus of the investigation, according to government records and interviews. . . .
"Bush personally intervened to sideline the Justice Department probe in April 2006 by taking the unusual step of denying investigators the security clearances necessary for their work. . . .
"Sources familiar with the halted inquiry said that if the probe had been allowed to continue, it would have examined Gonzales's role in authorizing the eavesdropping program while he was White House counsel, as well as his subsequent oversight of the program as attorney general."
Waas writes that it isn't clear if Bush knew Gonzales was a potential target of the probe when he intervened. But either way, this is ugly.
If Gonzales told the president he wanted the probe quashed because he himself was in the crosshairs, then you've potentially got Bush personally involved in a cover-up to help his friend. If Gonzales didn't tell Bush that he was a potential target, then the attorney general may have abused his office and misled the president.
This is long, but a bit of what I found at Dan Froomkin's White House Watch:
On the subject of avoiding responsibility and accountability Bush&Co. avoid using their official White House e-mail accounts -- the ones that get automatically archived.
This would appear to be the flipside of the issue that arose during the Clinton administration, when Vice President Al Gore improperly made fund-raising calls from his White House office. Here, rather than having party business being conducted using official resources, you have official business being conducted using party resources.
Also in Tuesday's document dump was a Jan. 8, 2007 e-mail from Steve Bell, the chief of staff to Sen. Pete Domenici, about the senator's preferred replacement for fired U.S. attorney David Iglesias. Bell sent that e-mail to three people -- including one "kr@georgewbush.com".
I wonder who that was.
And consider this: copies of e-mails between now-convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff and Susan Ralston, then an assistant to Karl Rove, showed her using a variety of e-mail addresses at georgewbush.com, rnchq.com and aol.com.
Will this be the nail in Gonzales's coffin?
Murray Waas writes today for the National Journal: "Shortly before Attorney General Alberto Gonzales advised President Bush last year on whether to shut down a Justice Department inquiry regarding the administration's warrantless domestic eavesdropping program, Gonzales learned that his own conduct would likely be a focus of the investigation, according to government records and interviews. . . .
"Bush personally intervened to sideline the Justice Department probe in April 2006 by taking the unusual step of denying investigators the security clearances necessary for their work. . . .
"Sources familiar with the halted inquiry said that if the probe had been allowed to continue, it would have examined Gonzales's role in authorizing the eavesdropping program while he was White House counsel, as well as his subsequent oversight of the program as attorney general."
Waas writes that it isn't clear if Bush knew Gonzales was a potential target of the probe when he intervened. But either way, this is ugly.
If Gonzales told the president he wanted the probe quashed because he himself was in the crosshairs, then you've potentially got Bush personally involved in a cover-up to help his friend. If Gonzales didn't tell Bush that he was a potential target, then the attorney general may have abused his office and misled the president.
lindainks55 said:
Running through multiple Attorney Generals shouldn't surprise us. When everything "they of Bush&Co." do seems to be in violation of the law it must be difficult to be the top lawmaker, huh? Of course, someone who is competent instead of just being loyal might help.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Wondering if the Pres will let AG AG go without a great deal of pressure. Rationale: who could he appoint as a replacement that meets the apparent Administration qualifications and could be confirmed? Just a thought.
lindainks55 said:
My comment above should have said "top law enforcer," instead of law maker. But it all boils down to:
He don't need no one to tell him what's legal! He's THE Pres! Doesn't that mean he is the Chief MF in charge of everything everywhere?
Dave Shuck said:
Guys... ignore me. I am doing a test on the comment notification. It appears we still have a kink in it.
CF said:
lindainks55,
There's a lot of speculation about when Gonzalez's head is gonna roll, when, and under what circumstances. Somebody on some other blog said it best, I think: that given the choice between hanging on to his brain (Rove) or his tool (Gonzalez), Bush will go with the brain. Seems right to me.
However, if the Senate Judiciary Committee DOES subpeona Rove, and can get him on the short end of the stick, I can envision Bush throwing even Rove under the bus in order to save himself. That much vaunted Bush family loyalty, you know.
A further point: this "Administration," literally, operates under the legal "theory" that "if the President does it, it can't be wrong."
It's Nixon all over again, but worse: Nixon was at least a nominally rational agent. Jesus didn't talk directly to him.
There's a lot of speculation about when Gonzalez's head is gonna roll, when, and under what circumstances. Somebody on some other blog said it best, I think: that given the choice between hanging on to his brain (Rove) or his tool (Gonzalez), Bush will go with the brain. Seems right to me.
However, if the Senate Judiciary Committee DOES subpeona Rove, and can get him on the short end of the stick, I can envision Bush throwing even Rove under the bus in order to save himself. That much vaunted Bush family loyalty, you know.
A further point: this "Administration," literally, operates under the legal "theory" that "if the President does it, it can't be wrong."
It's Nixon all over again, but worse: Nixon was at least a nominally rational agent. Jesus didn't talk directly to him.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Playing Devil's Advocate for just a bit on the firing of the U.S. Attorneys:
If, indeed, the idea of replacing all US Attorneys was the brainchild of Harriet Meirs after the election, the email inquiry from Rove concerning what was going on on that matter would be a normal "follow up" to check on the progress. After all, he (if anyone) would need to be in the loop for the political ramifications which might flow therefrom.
What confuses me about this whole thing: when the story broke, there should have been a statement made to the effect that all US Attorneys serve at the pleasure of the president; the president, through his AG, determined the individuals terminated should have been; this was done. End of controversy, IMO. What did happen was a total mishandling of the PR on the deal, with inconsistent and incomplete (to be charitable) statements made. Coupling this with the plethora of information now coming forth, it has turned into the latest scandal and another embarrassment to the administration.
If, indeed, the idea of replacing all US Attorneys was the brainchild of Harriet Meirs after the election, the email inquiry from Rove concerning what was going on on that matter would be a normal "follow up" to check on the progress. After all, he (if anyone) would need to be in the loop for the political ramifications which might flow therefrom.
What confuses me about this whole thing: when the story broke, there should have been a statement made to the effect that all US Attorneys serve at the pleasure of the president; the president, through his AG, determined the individuals terminated should have been; this was done. End of controversy, IMO. What did happen was a total mishandling of the PR on the deal, with inconsistent and incomplete (to be charitable) statements made. Coupling this with the plethora of information now coming forth, it has turned into the latest scandal and another embarrassment to the administration.
longhorn said:
Well VT, that is what the pundits are calling the "drip drip drip" disaster of how to respond to a crisis. They are no more competent doing this than the Katrina aid, Walter Reed, etc. But this time, THEY are suffering for it, not some group of powerless citizens.
Gonzo is a weasel of the highest order. His value is in carrying bushco's water. When his buckets spring a leak, they will toss him on the "used" pile and move on.
The pundits also say that the preznit will hang on to gonzo as long as possible and try to run out the clock. (Seems to be their fall back strategy on EVERYTHING now)
It is noted that he will have a hell of a time getting one of his butt boys confirmed as AG, and he may end up with someone who actually BELIEVES the DOJ is in the business of law enforcement, not selective prosecution.
I was also wondering yesterday, about how the repukes are always trying to say corruption and scandal are bipartisan. The repukes have STILL been fingered more often for indictments and other possible remedies for wrong doing.
So, if dems are being targeted, and the vast majority of scandals are STILL repuke, what does THAT tell you about how bipartisan the scandals are? Not so much, it seems to me.
Not that the dems are totally clean. Being out of power does seem to keep the more greedy members in check. Now that the dems are back in power, look for the weaker ones to give in to the siren call of wealth in addition to power.
Gonzo is a weasel of the highest order. His value is in carrying bushco's water. When his buckets spring a leak, they will toss him on the "used" pile and move on.
The pundits also say that the preznit will hang on to gonzo as long as possible and try to run out the clock. (Seems to be their fall back strategy on EVERYTHING now)
It is noted that he will have a hell of a time getting one of his butt boys confirmed as AG, and he may end up with someone who actually BELIEVES the DOJ is in the business of law enforcement, not selective prosecution.
I was also wondering yesterday, about how the repukes are always trying to say corruption and scandal are bipartisan. The repukes have STILL been fingered more often for indictments and other possible remedies for wrong doing.
So, if dems are being targeted, and the vast majority of scandals are STILL repuke, what does THAT tell you about how bipartisan the scandals are? Not so much, it seems to me.
Not that the dems are totally clean. Being out of power does seem to keep the more greedy members in check. Now that the dems are back in power, look for the weaker ones to give in to the siren call of wealth in addition to power.
CF said:
VT,
While I, obviously, am more inclined to smell nefariousness whenever Rove is afoot, I agree they've completely bungled the "coverup" portion of this latest scandal.
When you say 'after the election,' it isn't clear which election you mean: 2006 or 2004. I'm assuming you mean the former?
As the evidence trail is beginning to show, I think this actually goes back quite a bit further. As is shown in this memo obtained by ABC news, Rove was setting this plan in motion as of January 6, 2005.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/sampsonrove-...
There's a longer trail that one could spin out as well: digby has done a good job with this, as has Sidney Blumenthal at Salon.
Here's the latest: Rep. Dana Rohrbacher (R-CA) has called for Gonzalez's head!
"Even for Republicans this is a warning sign … saying there needs to be a change," said Rohrbacher. "Maybe the president should have an attorney general who is less a personal friend and more professional in his approach."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/15/politics...
Stick a fork in Gonzalez--he's done, big time. Jesus. When even DANA ROHRBACHER throws you under the bus, it's time to tender your resignation so you can "spend more time with your family."
While I, obviously, am more inclined to smell nefariousness whenever Rove is afoot, I agree they've completely bungled the "coverup" portion of this latest scandal.
When you say 'after the election,' it isn't clear which election you mean: 2006 or 2004. I'm assuming you mean the former?
As the evidence trail is beginning to show, I think this actually goes back quite a bit further. As is shown in this memo obtained by ABC news, Rove was setting this plan in motion as of January 6, 2005.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/sampsonrove-...
There's a longer trail that one could spin out as well: digby has done a good job with this, as has Sidney Blumenthal at Salon.
Here's the latest: Rep. Dana Rohrbacher (R-CA) has called for Gonzalez's head!
"Even for Republicans this is a warning sign … saying there needs to be a change," said Rohrbacher. "Maybe the president should have an attorney general who is less a personal friend and more professional in his approach."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/15/politics...
Stick a fork in Gonzalez--he's done, big time. Jesus. When even DANA ROHRBACHER throws you under the bus, it's time to tender your resignation so you can "spend more time with your family."
TRACY said:
When Merle Haggard starts writing protest music because of the Bush team?
Well........you know conservative America sees the truth.
"Are we rollin' down hill
like a snowball
headed for hell?"
....Merle
Well........you know conservative America sees the truth.
"Are we rollin' down hill
like a snowball
headed for hell?"
....Merle
longhorn said:
While I was driving yesterday, I also was musing about what the hell the dems seem to be afraid of.
I wondered this morning about why the repukes are suddenly on the sharp end of the media stick. Then it dawned on me.
The repukes have NO CLUE how to operate when the media doesnt work FOR THEM. Look how they botched even the media angles of Katrina and that started to unravel their air of invincibility and competence. All these other scandals are being managed in the same horrific way. I realized that they used to intimidate because they had the media fawning over them and reporting every fart as the gospel according to bushco. That is also how they won elections. By manipulating and virtually controlling the media.
And also the voting machines, of course :)
After Katrina, the media worm turned, and the repukes have been rudderless and sliding since then. They cant operate in a hostile media environment.
I think that is what the dems have been cowed by too. They lost power in congress in 94, partly because THEY controlled the spin for so many years, and then were shocked, SHOCKED I say, when the worm turned. They were out spun and never got ahead of the media curve until BUSHCO blew it so badly the media turned to alternatives.
People say the fourth estate hasnt been doing their job. I say they have been doing half their job. They did just fine getting "the word" out. But they forgot that their job also includes vetting that "word" before they report it.
And now? I think the media has been getting as much of a red ass as bushco. The public turns to "the internets" he to get raw info and they put their own spin on it.
This isnt a "blame the media" meme. It is just and honest assessment on my part that the dems better learn to not be afraid of the media right now. Stop wetting the bed and get on with it. Have some self confidence and self esteeem, dammit. Investigate, end the war, end corruption, take action. Dont sit there like a cornered calf and wonder which way the media will go next.
I think if you build a competent government, they will come. Just like the cornfield in Iowa. :)
I wondered this morning about why the repukes are suddenly on the sharp end of the media stick. Then it dawned on me.
The repukes have NO CLUE how to operate when the media doesnt work FOR THEM. Look how they botched even the media angles of Katrina and that started to unravel their air of invincibility and competence. All these other scandals are being managed in the same horrific way. I realized that they used to intimidate because they had the media fawning over them and reporting every fart as the gospel according to bushco. That is also how they won elections. By manipulating and virtually controlling the media.
And also the voting machines, of course :)
After Katrina, the media worm turned, and the repukes have been rudderless and sliding since then. They cant operate in a hostile media environment.
I think that is what the dems have been cowed by too. They lost power in congress in 94, partly because THEY controlled the spin for so many years, and then were shocked, SHOCKED I say, when the worm turned. They were out spun and never got ahead of the media curve until BUSHCO blew it so badly the media turned to alternatives.
People say the fourth estate hasnt been doing their job. I say they have been doing half their job. They did just fine getting "the word" out. But they forgot that their job also includes vetting that "word" before they report it.
And now? I think the media has been getting as much of a red ass as bushco. The public turns to "the internets" he to get raw info and they put their own spin on it.
This isnt a "blame the media" meme. It is just and honest assessment on my part that the dems better learn to not be afraid of the media right now. Stop wetting the bed and get on with it. Have some self confidence and self esteeem, dammit. Investigate, end the war, end corruption, take action. Dont sit there like a cornered calf and wonder which way the media will go next.
I think if you build a competent government, they will come. Just like the cornfield in Iowa. :)
Vaughn Tolle said:
CF, I was actually referring to the 2004 election, as that is when (allegedly) Ms Meirs floated her plan, which was a natural time to consider US Attorney replacement.
Yes, when Dana Rohrbacher is throwing one under the bus, it is time for one to leave. However, as pointed out above, who the devil can GWB nominate that passes the "Rove" test and will be confirmable? That's why I think this one lasts a while longer.
Yes, when Dana Rohrbacher is throwing one under the bus, it is time for one to leave. However, as pointed out above, who the devil can GWB nominate that passes the "Rove" test and will be confirmable? That's why I think this one lasts a while longer.
Gster said:
I don't know if it's the arrogance or the shere incometence in handling this issue. It seems that it is going to get far larger due to either of those conditions. And don't even talk about common sense.
I don't see how the AG can stay, but Bush is not known for making wise decisions, even when his own ass is on the line!
I don't see how the AG can stay, but Bush is not known for making wise decisions, even when his own ass is on the line!
longhorn said:
Sorry CF, I guess our posts crossed, but I think we are all saying the same thing. I hadnt heard about dana yet, but I agree. However, I havent looked at when he is up for re-election. I heard someone say this morning that the ones calling for gonzo's head are also the ones up for election in 08. I think the RNC will let them go off the reservation for a little bit so they can tell the folks back home they worked to fight corruption. heheheheheh
So, if Dana is NOT up for election in 08, then his call for gonzo's head is even more potent. I just wonder if the cries from their side of the aisle will have to reach "harriet miers" proportions again to get his attention.
I cant believe that dumb biotch is at the bottom of yet another scandal. I think she is their mikey. You know, "hey, let's let mikey eat it. He'll eat anything". I cant remember who said it yesterday, but she already did that hatchet work for the preznit in Austin when she buried a scandal concerning the texas lottery.
I thought she resigned? Is she leaving any time soon? Did I just imagine it? I know she has no immediate family to "spend time" with, so maybe she will do pro bono work? Yeah. When donkies fly...
So, if Dana is NOT up for election in 08, then his call for gonzo's head is even more potent. I just wonder if the cries from their side of the aisle will have to reach "harriet miers" proportions again to get his attention.
I cant believe that dumb biotch is at the bottom of yet another scandal. I think she is their mikey. You know, "hey, let's let mikey eat it. He'll eat anything". I cant remember who said it yesterday, but she already did that hatchet work for the preznit in Austin when she buried a scandal concerning the texas lottery.
I thought she resigned? Is she leaving any time soon? Did I just imagine it? I know she has no immediate family to "spend time" with, so maybe she will do pro bono work? Yeah. When donkies fly...
longhorn said:
I posted this on the wrong thread before I had coffee. I keep forgetting we have a new thread every day. duh.
Good morning all. I wish I could stay awake long enough to play with the big kids on the night crew.
Dubya, I like it here. I intend to stay. I see we hit just about as many posts here as they did on their open thread. They are posting more today, and I expect that. I've noticed this before, that after a big dust up, the posts drop off and then climb back up.
The email exchanges were interesting last night. Might I suggest we bring a lot of that over here to pump up the posts and keep the conversation going? I dont know, maybe there are concerns about giving away too much information after how we all got hammered over on the other blog.
But private email conversations, which we know are not so private, cant be shared by all, and most of what was exchanged in email was just chatter.
I think the best way to thank our hosts, other than a delivery of fried chicken and potato salad, is to make their blog hum and drive traffic to it. I dont care if they sell ads. They need to make some money so they can keep doing this.
SO, lib bloggers, keep your fingers busy today! :) Uh, well, you know what I mean....
Posted By longhorn | 3/16/07 10:39 AM
Good morning all. I wish I could stay awake long enough to play with the big kids on the night crew.
Dubya, I like it here. I intend to stay. I see we hit just about as many posts here as they did on their open thread. They are posting more today, and I expect that. I've noticed this before, that after a big dust up, the posts drop off and then climb back up.
The email exchanges were interesting last night. Might I suggest we bring a lot of that over here to pump up the posts and keep the conversation going? I dont know, maybe there are concerns about giving away too much information after how we all got hammered over on the other blog.
But private email conversations, which we know are not so private, cant be shared by all, and most of what was exchanged in email was just chatter.
I think the best way to thank our hosts, other than a delivery of fried chicken and potato salad, is to make their blog hum and drive traffic to it. I dont care if they sell ads. They need to make some money so they can keep doing this.
SO, lib bloggers, keep your fingers busy today! :) Uh, well, you know what I mean....
Posted By longhorn | 3/16/07 10:39 AM
Vaughn Tolle said:
longhorn, allow me to pontificate a bit. :-)
I believe the issue with the internet is truly generational. The 'net is something which cannot be controlled in any traditional way, i.e., advertising, boycotts, other ways. There are many untested legal issues concerning net content and liability therefor. Yes, the case law is slowly developing; however, the traditional analysis doesn't fit in many cases.
Most of the "top dogs" don't understand what the internet has unleashed; raw fact and opinion, not generally vetted, laying out there for anyone with net access to read for him/herself, and evaluate based on whatever criteria the reader desires to apply. Many of them are my age or a bit older; many have not taken the time to become familiar with the use of computers, much less the internet. That's why they have staffers, right?
I compare this to what appears to be happening in my profession; the use of on-line resources for legal research vs. the use of the traditonal printed materials. The thought that a computer-savvy attorney may prepare many of his/her documents without the need for a large clerical staff. The humbling realization that a "one man band" with computer skills can do the same research as the "boy's farm" large firms assigning several associates to peruse the materials. The further fact that the pleadings, briefs, etc. produced on a computer with a good printer are just as professional in appearance as those produced "in the old days" by skilled typists using IBM Executives. I could go on and on, but feeling a bit of mercy, won't.
To conclude (I hear the sighs of relief now): it will take a younger generation, more savvy about electronic communication, to fully exploit the potential which now exists. A final example: the error made by hiring known bloggers by the Edwards campaign as opposed to using a campaign worker/volunteer to run its blog and to build relationships with established bloggers. Had the latter course been chosen, that campaign would be further "down the road" at this point, with a lot more favorable (IMO) rep in the blogosphere.
I believe the issue with the internet is truly generational. The 'net is something which cannot be controlled in any traditional way, i.e., advertising, boycotts, other ways. There are many untested legal issues concerning net content and liability therefor. Yes, the case law is slowly developing; however, the traditional analysis doesn't fit in many cases.
Most of the "top dogs" don't understand what the internet has unleashed; raw fact and opinion, not generally vetted, laying out there for anyone with net access to read for him/herself, and evaluate based on whatever criteria the reader desires to apply. Many of them are my age or a bit older; many have not taken the time to become familiar with the use of computers, much less the internet. That's why they have staffers, right?
I compare this to what appears to be happening in my profession; the use of on-line resources for legal research vs. the use of the traditonal printed materials. The thought that a computer-savvy attorney may prepare many of his/her documents without the need for a large clerical staff. The humbling realization that a "one man band" with computer skills can do the same research as the "boy's farm" large firms assigning several associates to peruse the materials. The further fact that the pleadings, briefs, etc. produced on a computer with a good printer are just as professional in appearance as those produced "in the old days" by skilled typists using IBM Executives. I could go on and on, but feeling a bit of mercy, won't.
To conclude (I hear the sighs of relief now): it will take a younger generation, more savvy about electronic communication, to fully exploit the potential which now exists. A final example: the error made by hiring known bloggers by the Edwards campaign as opposed to using a campaign worker/volunteer to run its blog and to build relationships with established bloggers. Had the latter course been chosen, that campaign would be further "down the road" at this point, with a lot more favorable (IMO) rep in the blogosphere.
WSClark said:
Good morning y'all!!! A couple thoughts......
Over on WE Blog, Khan is claiming that Hard Truth is one of us under a diff nic, but IT'S OKAY WITH HIM IF HE IS NIC-SWITCHING. Talk about a confession. They are still in full congrats mode, but some are wondering when we will surrender and come back. Funny stuff.
I like this Blog and intend to stay. We need to make that collective decision so that our hosts can plan for the volume. We also need to work with Dave and Aaron - make suggestions - offer to help on various things.
Okay, my suggestion - allow bloggerites to write and submit topics for threads a la DU.
Okay, I will also volunteer to help as needed. I am not good for much (ask Fleet and Nut) but I do have some time to offer.
Last, I want to thank our hosts once again for their patience with a bunch of looney lefties that have invaded their space.
I won't be around too much today. I have a project to work on for my daughter and son-in-law. My granddaughters room has a smell of mildew and the paint is bubbling below one of the windows. You know what is coming next.....
Funny, my granddaughter is not quite seven - she still thinks that Grandpa can fix anything!
Over on WE Blog, Khan is claiming that Hard Truth is one of us under a diff nic, but IT'S OKAY WITH HIM IF HE IS NIC-SWITCHING. Talk about a confession. They are still in full congrats mode, but some are wondering when we will surrender and come back. Funny stuff.
I like this Blog and intend to stay. We need to make that collective decision so that our hosts can plan for the volume. We also need to work with Dave and Aaron - make suggestions - offer to help on various things.
Okay, my suggestion - allow bloggerites to write and submit topics for threads a la DU.
Okay, I will also volunteer to help as needed. I am not good for much (ask Fleet and Nut) but I do have some time to offer.
Last, I want to thank our hosts once again for their patience with a bunch of looney lefties that have invaded their space.
I won't be around too much today. I have a project to work on for my daughter and son-in-law. My granddaughters room has a smell of mildew and the paint is bubbling below one of the windows. You know what is coming next.....
Funny, my granddaughter is not quite seven - she still thinks that Grandpa can fix anything!
lindainks55 said:
I'm pretty sure HardTruth is Ben Huie. Last night in a post regarding Nathan's return from danger he used that distinctive and unique "Ben" smiley.
longhorn said:
VT, you can pontificate all you like :) I always find your posts informative and not boring at all. I agree with all you posted. It makes "the media" harder to control, so you just have to do your best and operate with integrity and build relationships with them. Hard for politicos who are used to just governing by edict.
I also think "the media" hasnt gotten the word that they are no longer soley in charge of how the word gets to regular people. They only pay attention to the blogosphere when the cries and evidence uncovered are too loud to ignore. I notice all the msm folks have their own blogs, so they are trying, but they dont seem to get that the same ol' bullshit in internet form is still... the same ol' bullshit.
I visit a lot of Kansas papers, and ALL their blogs and discussion boards suck with VERY few comments. My friend Peg's blog gets TONS of hits, way more than the WE blog, but hardly ANYONE ever comments.
The WE blog was special because so many people commented. I think THAT is what readers enjoyed. That's why I keep harping that we need to relax and post more here to get the conversation going, and keep it going.
I would volunteer to post threads too if the WV guys are too busy. But I am mindful that this is THEIR blog and we are guests. So it's just an offer, not a request.
Clark, my Dad has been dead 21 years, but I STILL think he could come back from the grave and fix anything. Some days, I sure wish he would :)
I also think "the media" hasnt gotten the word that they are no longer soley in charge of how the word gets to regular people. They only pay attention to the blogosphere when the cries and evidence uncovered are too loud to ignore. I notice all the msm folks have their own blogs, so they are trying, but they dont seem to get that the same ol' bullshit in internet form is still... the same ol' bullshit.
I visit a lot of Kansas papers, and ALL their blogs and discussion boards suck with VERY few comments. My friend Peg's blog gets TONS of hits, way more than the WE blog, but hardly ANYONE ever comments.
The WE blog was special because so many people commented. I think THAT is what readers enjoyed. That's why I keep harping that we need to relax and post more here to get the conversation going, and keep it going.
I would volunteer to post threads too if the WV guys are too busy. But I am mindful that this is THEIR blog and we are guests. So it's just an offer, not a request.
Clark, my Dad has been dead 21 years, but I STILL think he could come back from the grave and fix anything. Some days, I sure wish he would :)
Julie said:
Will,
Clear up to when my PoPo (Granddad) passed away last October I thought he could fix anything. And I'm 30!
I caved - I posted one comment on yesterday's open thread on the blog that shall not be named. But it was congrats on Nathan coming back. And yes I plan to be at his welcome home party (as I'm sure many of us plan).
Clear up to when my PoPo (Granddad) passed away last October I thought he could fix anything. And I'm 30!
I caved - I posted one comment on yesterday's open thread on the blog that shall not be named. But it was congrats on Nathan coming back. And yes I plan to be at his welcome home party (as I'm sure many of us plan).
Vaughn Tolle said:
Well, I see our junior senator agrees with General Pace; is sending a letter to the President in support, seeking other Senators' signatures (per article on cnn.com). While this was predictable in light of the senator's personal beliefs, I don't think this is going to help him in obtaining the GOP nomination for President; and, in the very unlikely event he could secure it, surely won't gain him any great support in the general election.
While I, like Ben, have noticed his consistent adherence to his principles after being elected to public office (unlike some others) and I feel a certain respect for this, there is no way that I could vote for him for President, except if Ghengis Kahn rises from the grave perhaps.
While I, like Ben, have noticed his consistent adherence to his principles after being elected to public office (unlike some others) and I feel a certain respect for this, there is no way that I could vote for him for President, except if Ghengis Kahn rises from the grave perhaps.
darwinsdisciple said:
Good morning, WSC and all...
This question came up the other day. Is the AG AG scandel only about the bungled "cover-up", or is firing those folks without cause something the President can do? On NPR the other day (and I recognize that their "balanced opinions" are imposed with a rifle) a Republican talking head was saying that it was routine for the head of the US Attorney's offices to submit their resignation when an opposing party took the White House; thereby suggesting replacing US A's is, by precident, a partisan process. Is that true, or not?
This question came up the other day. Is the AG AG scandel only about the bungled "cover-up", or is firing those folks without cause something the President can do? On NPR the other day (and I recognize that their "balanced opinions" are imposed with a rifle) a Republican talking head was saying that it was routine for the head of the US Attorney's offices to submit their resignation when an opposing party took the White House; thereby suggesting replacing US A's is, by precident, a partisan process. Is that true, or not?
longhorn said:
Yeah Julie, I saw that. And did you see fleetie's comment after?
I'm not picking on you dear Julie, but we need to stick together guys. It has only been THREE days. If anyone wants to congratulate hank, which I think is a fine thing, we could do it by email, no?
Otherwise, they are winning, and one by one the libs will trickle back. And take a great ribbing by the righties for their failed efforts. If nothing else, it proves we are addicted and lurking, and all they have to do, with the support of the WE editors, is wait us out. And when you go back, they will RULE you forever.
I guess if some of you dont mind, that is your business. No one is obligated to support the boycott.
But they are right. I do see more of us trickling back. I thought we AGREED to stay away until the first of April.
Do we want to call this off? I'm still not going back, but if we cant stick together, we might as well admit defeat and call it off.
And tell them they were right. They can live without us but we cant live without them?
I'm not picking on you dear Julie, but we need to stick together guys. It has only been THREE days. If anyone wants to congratulate hank, which I think is a fine thing, we could do it by email, no?
Otherwise, they are winning, and one by one the libs will trickle back. And take a great ribbing by the righties for their failed efforts. If nothing else, it proves we are addicted and lurking, and all they have to do, with the support of the WE editors, is wait us out. And when you go back, they will RULE you forever.
I guess if some of you dont mind, that is your business. No one is obligated to support the boycott.
But they are right. I do see more of us trickling back. I thought we AGREED to stay away until the first of April.
Do we want to call this off? I'm still not going back, but if we cant stick together, we might as well admit defeat and call it off.
And tell them they were right. They can live without us but we cant live without them?
Vaughn Tolle said:
dd, the statement made is true. The general procedure is for all sitting political appointees, including U.S. Attorneys, to submit a letter of resignation after each Presidential election. The President then determines whether to accept the same, and the timing thereof.
To the ultimate question: yes, replacing U.S. Attorneys, together with doggone near all other governmental "employees" who serve at "the pleasure of the President" is always a partisan process. Generally, as has been pointed out in the recently released emails, in the case of U.S. Attorneys, consultation is had with the Senators representing the state in which the U.S. Attorney's district is located on a replacement, to 1) have a sponsor during confirmation hearings, and 2) make the confirmation process a bit smoother.
To the ultimate question: yes, replacing U.S. Attorneys, together with doggone near all other governmental "employees" who serve at "the pleasure of the President" is always a partisan process. Generally, as has been pointed out in the recently released emails, in the case of U.S. Attorneys, consultation is had with the Senators representing the state in which the U.S. Attorney's district is located on a replacement, to 1) have a sponsor during confirmation hearings, and 2) make the confirmation process a bit smoother.
CF said:
Longhorn,
Call this off? FUCK NO.
I say we bide our time, strategize, plot, and blogswarm them when the time is right. We'll be back--and when we are, we'll have a machine (a set of practices/policies/go to folks) in place that'll fuck their shit up.
I either go back that way or not at all.
Call this off? FUCK NO.
I say we bide our time, strategize, plot, and blogswarm them when the time is right. We'll be back--and when we are, we'll have a machine (a set of practices/policies/go to folks) in place that'll fuck their shit up.
I either go back that way or not at all.
lindainks55 said:
There is no need (for me) to make any decision about going back at this time. I do what I say and I said I would not post "over there" for the balance of this month. I spend less time each day even reading there and scroll over much that is there. After all, the people I find interesting (for the most part) aren't there any longer. And, longhorn is right! It's only been three days. When we get to the end of the month then I will make another decision.
darwinsdisciple said:
I was guilty, too and commented after Hank's post about Nathan coming back. I am not going to Nathan's welcome home party. I don't like him or his dad, so it would be hypocritical of me to go. Further, feeling indebted to Hank for anything, is an idea I find repellent.
In my comment, I expressed my genuine relief that Nathan was coming home. Not even he deserves to die for Bushco's great misadventure.
I don't plan to go back to WE Blog regardless of the outcome of the boycott. And, I am daily finding it difficult to justify reading there, even. Some of those folks are just profoundly stupid.
I am not so sure that they can live without us. I am sure we can live without them.
In my comment, I expressed my genuine relief that Nathan was coming home. Not even he deserves to die for Bushco's great misadventure.
I don't plan to go back to WE Blog regardless of the outcome of the boycott. And, I am daily finding it difficult to justify reading there, even. Some of those folks are just profoundly stupid.
I am not so sure that they can live without us. I am sure we can live without them.
CF said:
VT,
OK, but that's only half the story, and having dug into the matter pretty deeply over the last couple of week, it isn't entirely.
More importantly, that way of framing the question misses the real issue, which is the nonpartisan rule of law. "Partisan selection" does NOT mean that those who are selected as U.S. Attorneys are therefore expected to do the bidding of their political patrons. It never has meant this, and when it has, it has been seen as an abberation.
More to the point, in the case of the present firings, an unwillingness or refusal to bring prosecutions on the basis of their political benefit to one's appointer is NOT a relevant reason for replacing U.S. Attorneys. Period. The fact that the U.S. Attorney for Washington State wouldn't pursue allegations of voter fraud against Democrats, after two recounts of the state's gubernatorial election declared Democrat Christine Gregoire the winner, even though this was what the White House wanted, isn't a valid reason for letting go a U.S. Attorney. Neither, for that matter, is the similar set of reasons involved in David Iglesias' dismissal.
The real issue isn't what the President did. No one disputes that it's his perogative to dismiss his appointees. The real issue here is WHY the President and the Administration pursued this policy, and what led them to fire certain Attorneys rather than others.
If it can be shown that their goal was to install prosecutors who wereamenable to using their offices to pursue politically-motivated prosecutions against Democrats while not going after Republican wrongdoing, then the Bush Administration has politicized the activities of the Justice Department and the Federal system of prosecution in an unprecedented fashion.
Richard Nixon was going to be impeached for much less than this. The ghost of Nixon, in the person of Karl Rove, has spent the last seven years eroding ever reservoir of neutral authority in the United States government.
Patrick Leahey needs to subpeona Karl Rove and to get to the bottom of this. Because what's at stake here, in the politicization of career Federal Prosecutors, is the rule of law, itself.
OK, but that's only half the story, and having dug into the matter pretty deeply over the last couple of week, it isn't entirely.
More importantly, that way of framing the question misses the real issue, which is the nonpartisan rule of law. "Partisan selection" does NOT mean that those who are selected as U.S. Attorneys are therefore expected to do the bidding of their political patrons. It never has meant this, and when it has, it has been seen as an abberation.
More to the point, in the case of the present firings, an unwillingness or refusal to bring prosecutions on the basis of their political benefit to one's appointer is NOT a relevant reason for replacing U.S. Attorneys. Period. The fact that the U.S. Attorney for Washington State wouldn't pursue allegations of voter fraud against Democrats, after two recounts of the state's gubernatorial election declared Democrat Christine Gregoire the winner, even though this was what the White House wanted, isn't a valid reason for letting go a U.S. Attorney. Neither, for that matter, is the similar set of reasons involved in David Iglesias' dismissal.
The real issue isn't what the President did. No one disputes that it's his perogative to dismiss his appointees. The real issue here is WHY the President and the Administration pursued this policy, and what led them to fire certain Attorneys rather than others.
If it can be shown that their goal was to install prosecutors who wereamenable to using their offices to pursue politically-motivated prosecutions against Democrats while not going after Republican wrongdoing, then the Bush Administration has politicized the activities of the Justice Department and the Federal system of prosecution in an unprecedented fashion.
Richard Nixon was going to be impeached for much less than this. The ghost of Nixon, in the person of Karl Rove, has spent the last seven years eroding ever reservoir of neutral authority in the United States government.
Patrick Leahey needs to subpeona Karl Rove and to get to the bottom of this. Because what's at stake here, in the politicization of career Federal Prosecutors, is the rule of law, itself.
Vaughn Tolle said:
CF, agreed that the real issue isn't whether the President has the power; that isn't even debatable. As you have identified, the issue is unduly politicization of the U.S. Attorneys' offices.
And, in my case, the use of the "new" power to appoint interim U.S. Attorneys without being subject to Senate confirmation further solidifies my opinion that the "firings" were, with the exception of the one office where there appear to have been managerial problems (San Francisco, IIRC) for political reasons.
I've been interested in the silence of GMC on "the other place" concerning this issue. He has, previously, posted a strong argument for prosecutorial discretion, which, from my observation of the still-unfolding story, is one of the things these firings and replacements were designed to stifle.
Final comment for this posting: I am also concerned what the retained U.S. Attorneys did/didn't do to avoid this fate. I'll let you mull on that one for a bit.
And, in my case, the use of the "new" power to appoint interim U.S. Attorneys without being subject to Senate confirmation further solidifies my opinion that the "firings" were, with the exception of the one office where there appear to have been managerial problems (San Francisco, IIRC) for political reasons.
I've been interested in the silence of GMC on "the other place" concerning this issue. He has, previously, posted a strong argument for prosecutorial discretion, which, from my observation of the still-unfolding story, is one of the things these firings and replacements were designed to stifle.
Final comment for this posting: I am also concerned what the retained U.S. Attorneys did/didn't do to avoid this fate. I'll let you mull on that one for a bit.
longhorn said:
Agreed CF. And DD. Like I said, I love you all and am not picking, but I thought we needed a Norma Rae moment there. :) They are just WAITING for us to cave. It is slow and boooorrrring over there. The only fun being had...
... is when one of us shows up there! We cant stop "outside" (hate that term) posters who SOUND like us from posting. But we sure dont have to contribute to it. Like I said, the only fun they have is when one of us shows up. Just shows what mean and humorless bastards most of them are.
I think it is sweet that some of you can put aside your feelings and wish Nathan well. I can not. But please, if you feel the need to do so, do it with email and not on blog brand x.
Like Linda, I will re-evaluate on April 1. But CF, I agree we need a plan and strategy. Is someone(s) working on that? I promise, if I go back, not to be quite so ruthless. But I see they hammered Jed just for being funny and of course, just for disagreeing with them.
I fear it will be the same way. Part of what we post as snark and HUMOR for god's sake is indeed just for entertainment. So if we go back under there rule, NO LAUGHING will be allowed? Jesus wept.
Anyway, here is a GREAT RANT from DU. It is meant to be used against that "one republican" we always encounter in our lives. Truely a great rant.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboa...
... is when one of us shows up there! We cant stop "outside" (hate that term) posters who SOUND like us from posting. But we sure dont have to contribute to it. Like I said, the only fun they have is when one of us shows up. Just shows what mean and humorless bastards most of them are.
I think it is sweet that some of you can put aside your feelings and wish Nathan well. I can not. But please, if you feel the need to do so, do it with email and not on blog brand x.
Like Linda, I will re-evaluate on April 1. But CF, I agree we need a plan and strategy. Is someone(s) working on that? I promise, if I go back, not to be quite so ruthless. But I see they hammered Jed just for being funny and of course, just for disagreeing with them.
I fear it will be the same way. Part of what we post as snark and HUMOR for god's sake is indeed just for entertainment. So if we go back under there rule, NO LAUGHING will be allowed? Jesus wept.
Anyway, here is a GREAT RANT from DU. It is meant to be used against that "one republican" we always encounter in our lives. Truely a great rant.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboa...
darwinsdisciple said:
Thanks for the clarication - this will be an interesting story.
I would love to read a tell-all by Alberto G. Maybe Bush can't afford to throw AG AG under the train.
I want to raise a concern about inviting posters willy-nilly from the other blog here. Am I being weird, or does the idea of repeating the same experiment over here after the results over there, not make a lot of sense?
I would love to read a tell-all by Alberto G. Maybe Bush can't afford to throw AG AG under the train.
I want to raise a concern about inviting posters willy-nilly from the other blog here. Am I being weird, or does the idea of repeating the same experiment over here after the results over there, not make a lot of sense?
Vaughn Tolle said:
Can't help myself; "hazy memorys" per Mr. Snow. Just can't help themselves at all.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/16/fired.attor...
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/03/16/fired.attor...
longhorn said:
I totally agree Steven. We may want to invite some later, but right now, they need to get their noses rubbed in the posts of their fellow righties. The ones who might be invited here are the same ones that will HATE being marinated in their own bullshit. They are the ones who will want us back. I see hankie has posted something similar, and outie seems to be missing us today.
Of course, like us, they only miss SOME of the opposition:)
We can make nice and invite them later. But now? We need to build something here that will make them want to take us up on our invitation.
Of course, like us, they only miss SOME of the opposition:)
We can make nice and invite them later. But now? We need to build something here that will make them want to take us up on our invitation.
darwinsdisciple said:
"...do it with email and not on blog brand x."
Agreed. A reasonable alternative.
Agreed. A reasonable alternative.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Thanks, longhorn. Great "get".
In response to something raised in the linked post, one reason for the eerie quiet is that simply stated, there is no draft. I'm quite convinced of this, but ready to be dissuaded. Good arguments, please.
In response to something raised in the linked post, one reason for the eerie quiet is that simply stated, there is no draft. I'm quite convinced of this, but ready to be dissuaded. Good arguments, please.
TRACY said:
Longhorny~~
I get the feeling there are a lot of nic-switch deniers amongst our lefty friends, sadly.
For what ever reason.
No matter what I think. If that is true, of course they will drift back pretty quickly and just switch-hit again.
Not my business, or concern.
The fine folks who have already stated their intention to stay here are plenty of good company.
I get the feeling there are a lot of nic-switch deniers amongst our lefty friends, sadly.
For what ever reason.
No matter what I think. If that is true, of course they will drift back pretty quickly and just switch-hit again.
Not my business, or concern.
The fine folks who have already stated their intention to stay here are plenty of good company.
longhorn said:
VT, I agree. I heard a pundit say last night, I think it was Craig Crawford, that we should be asking what the ones who STAYED either did or didnt do to endear them to their political masters. Some, I suppose, like the USA in ks, dont matter to anyone. Some were good lapdogs, and some are politically well connected no matter what they do or dont do.
I also agree that inserting the little sneaky provision in the PA about replacing them WITHOUT senate oversight, is the tell about how long this was planned. The only question now is WHEN will the senate members get some balls? Not just our guys, but the repukes as well.
If they cant see the handwriting on the wall with this (even David freakin' GERGEN agrees with us) they must have been blinded by a little moonshine in the koolaide.
OTH... could we be getting a better setup for 08? Scandals and supoenas and indictments, oh my? It is the dems to lose, but given their uncanny ability the last 12 years to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, that is no small risk.
As CF said, here's too and LONG spring of supoenas.
I also agree that inserting the little sneaky provision in the PA about replacing them WITHOUT senate oversight, is the tell about how long this was planned. The only question now is WHEN will the senate members get some balls? Not just our guys, but the repukes as well.
If they cant see the handwriting on the wall with this (even David freakin' GERGEN agrees with us) they must have been blinded by a little moonshine in the koolaide.
OTH... could we be getting a better setup for 08? Scandals and supoenas and indictments, oh my? It is the dems to lose, but given their uncanny ability the last 12 years to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, that is no small risk.
As CF said, here's too and LONG spring of supoenas.
CF said:
VT,
Regarding the last point, we have our answer. The numbers tell the story. Here's a stat from a Paul Krugman column, that's been 'offshored' at another site:
"The bigger scandal, however, almost surely involves prosecutors still in office. The Gonzales Eight were fired because they wouldn’t go along with the Bush administration’s politicization of justice. But statistical evidence suggests that many other prosecutors decided to protect their jobs or further their careers by doing what the administration wanted them to do: harass Democrats while turning a blind eye to Republican malfeasance.
Donald Shields and John Cragan, two professors of communication, have compiled a database of investigations and/or indictments of candidates and elected officials by U.S. attorneys since the Bush administration came to power. Of the 375 cases they identified, 10 involved independents, 67 involved Republicans, and 298 involved Democrats. The main source of this partisan tilt was a huge disparity in investigations of local politicians, in which Democrats were seven times as likely as Republicans to face Justice Department scrutiny."
http://welcome-to-pottersville.blogspot.com/2007/0...
As I say, we have our answer. And the longer GMC70 refuses to call out the Administration's tampering with Federal prosecutions for what it is, the more right CF is to call GMC70 a willing accomplice to Bush Administration lies.
Still think this is a "conspiracy theory," GMC70? And if there are such things as legitimate "conspiracies" among the members of the Administration, then it's possible there are others, isn't it?
Regarding the last point, we have our answer. The numbers tell the story. Here's a stat from a Paul Krugman column, that's been 'offshored' at another site:
"The bigger scandal, however, almost surely involves prosecutors still in office. The Gonzales Eight were fired because they wouldn’t go along with the Bush administration’s politicization of justice. But statistical evidence suggests that many other prosecutors decided to protect their jobs or further their careers by doing what the administration wanted them to do: harass Democrats while turning a blind eye to Republican malfeasance.
Donald Shields and John Cragan, two professors of communication, have compiled a database of investigations and/or indictments of candidates and elected officials by U.S. attorneys since the Bush administration came to power. Of the 375 cases they identified, 10 involved independents, 67 involved Republicans, and 298 involved Democrats. The main source of this partisan tilt was a huge disparity in investigations of local politicians, in which Democrats were seven times as likely as Republicans to face Justice Department scrutiny."
http://welcome-to-pottersville.blogspot.com/2007/0...
As I say, we have our answer. And the longer GMC70 refuses to call out the Administration's tampering with Federal prosecutions for what it is, the more right CF is to call GMC70 a willing accomplice to Bush Administration lies.
Still think this is a "conspiracy theory," GMC70? And if there are such things as legitimate "conspiracies" among the members of the Administration, then it's possible there are others, isn't it?
darwinsdisciple said:
"Of course, like us, they only miss SOME of the opposition:)"
As you have suggested before, we don't want to get bogged down in discussing the other place, but I have wondered, just exactly what they were trying to say with that one?
As you have suggested before, we don't want to get bogged down in discussing the other place, but I have wondered, just exactly what they were trying to say with that one?
Vaughn Tolle said:
longhorn, I think we may all agree that single-party control of the Executive and Legislative branches of government results in many things, most of which aren't necessarily good.
As to the provision snuck into the Patriot Act reauthorization act, it appears that there is some bi-partisan support for repeal; even the White House recognizes that this experiment went bad, and, from news reports, has sent a signal repeal thereof will not be opposed. So, on this point, "Git 'er done".
As to the provision snuck into the Patriot Act reauthorization act, it appears that there is some bi-partisan support for repeal; even the White House recognizes that this experiment went bad, and, from news reports, has sent a signal repeal thereof will not be opposed. So, on this point, "Git 'er done".
longhorn said:
"More importantly, that way of framing the question misses the real issue, which is the nonpartisan rule of law. "Partisan selection" does NOT mean that those who are selected as U.S. Attorneys are therefore expected to do the bidding of their political patrons. It never has meant this, and when it has, it has been seen as an abberation."
Agreed VT. I think it was also Crawford who said last night that gonzo confused a couple of things. It is the preznit's right to appoint USA's on a partisan basis. But the check and balance of congressional oversight kept the worst of the partisan moves from fullfillment.
Craig things that gonzo confused that with the idea that after they are appointed on a partisan basis, they can CONTINUE to be partisan after their appointment. That is where he made the mistake.
Although, I tend to believe gonzo when he says he was out of the loop. He isnt even a great legal mind. He's just the "legal houseboy" for bushco.
I just HOWLED when I heard that. I'm not racist, but I am going to project this onto bushco. I can hear them saying "he's a GOOD messkin. Let's give him something to do but dont tell him too much. He is messkin after all..."
And now I am sure they are saying "well, we knew he wasnt the brightest light on the tree. Y'all got another messkin to appoint to somethin' if we have to ditch gonzo?"
Sorry, but I know all too well how the Austin cabal thinks.
Agreed VT. I think it was also Crawford who said last night that gonzo confused a couple of things. It is the preznit's right to appoint USA's on a partisan basis. But the check and balance of congressional oversight kept the worst of the partisan moves from fullfillment.
Craig things that gonzo confused that with the idea that after they are appointed on a partisan basis, they can CONTINUE to be partisan after their appointment. That is where he made the mistake.
Although, I tend to believe gonzo when he says he was out of the loop. He isnt even a great legal mind. He's just the "legal houseboy" for bushco.
I just HOWLED when I heard that. I'm not racist, but I am going to project this onto bushco. I can hear them saying "he's a GOOD messkin. Let's give him something to do but dont tell him too much. He is messkin after all..."
And now I am sure they are saying "well, we knew he wasnt the brightest light on the tree. Y'all got another messkin to appoint to somethin' if we have to ditch gonzo?"
Sorry, but I know all too well how the Austin cabal thinks.
darwinsdisciple said:
Thanks for the excellent Krugman op/ed. My favorite line from it:
"In the months ahead, we’ll hear a lot about what’s really been going on these past six years. And I predict that we’ll learn about abuses of power that would have made Richard Nixon green with envy."
"In the months ahead, we’ll hear a lot about what’s really been going on these past six years. And I predict that we’ll learn about abuses of power that would have made Richard Nixon green with envy."
lindainks55 said:
On another really important subject...
Georgia Tech is really giving UNLV a run for their money.
Most importantly, we're at 5 hours and counting to the KU game and I'm getting that butterfly feeling in the pit of my stomach. It's so important and I get so worked up. Shame to call myself an adult woman, isn't it!?
Vaughn Tolle said:
CF, I was aware of the study, but didn't have a link. I was most definitely counting on you (or someone else, but felt you were the most likely) to post one.
I'm sure that GMC recognizes the conflict, and thus his silence. Most prosecutors of my acquaintance are competent lawyers, doing a hard job; a clear majority of them are, like most of us, a bit egotistical; and, would chafe under the restrictions apparently imposed by the current administration on their independence. Now, in GMC's case, there's a whole lot of difference between being an assistant County Attorney and a U.S. Attorney; from my conversations with him at the meetup, he doesn't strike me as being of sufficient ego to seek such an appointment; or, his ego is such, he doesn't see himself as being amenable to the political "stuff" necessary to apply for such a job.
longhorn, I suspect the current U.S. Attorney in Kansas has little attention paid to him by his superiors. He does have, by and large, a very competent staff of assistants, who continue to do their job well, from my observations. Mr. Melgren isn't, however, one who will "rock the boat".
I'm sure that GMC recognizes the conflict, and thus his silence. Most prosecutors of my acquaintance are competent lawyers, doing a hard job; a clear majority of them are, like most of us, a bit egotistical; and, would chafe under the restrictions apparently imposed by the current administration on their independence. Now, in GMC's case, there's a whole lot of difference between being an assistant County Attorney and a U.S. Attorney; from my conversations with him at the meetup, he doesn't strike me as being of sufficient ego to seek such an appointment; or, his ego is such, he doesn't see himself as being amenable to the political "stuff" necessary to apply for such a job.
longhorn, I suspect the current U.S. Attorney in Kansas has little attention paid to him by his superiors. He does have, by and large, a very competent staff of assistants, who continue to do their job well, from my observations. Mr. Melgren isn't, however, one who will "rock the boat".
longhorn said:
DD, I dont think that "only miss some of them" comment is too hard to figure out.
They dont miss me. They dont miss Clark. They dont miss Tracy or the Capn. They dont miss CF either.
They do miss the "softer" posters. That isnt meant as criticism. We dont miss the "hard" righties either. I also notice on the funny stuff, that we also poke fun at ourselves individually and collectively.
They would see that as inappropriate and traitorous. As we often say, being a republiCON means never having to say yer sorry.
I agree Tracy, the good folks here are company enough. And MORE intellectual stimulation than my pea brain can absorb. :) I like it that here, we can examine all sides of an issue, even if it puts a lib hero or principle in a less than favorite light. And we can do that here 'cause we dont get hammered if we even question our own assumptions.
And the ability of libs to question their own assumptions is what I like best about lib posters. I believe the unexamined life is not worth living. But in my usual "everything to excess and NOTHING in moderation", I spend HUGELY inappropriate amounts of time gazing at my own navel.
When I can see it of course :)
They dont miss me. They dont miss Clark. They dont miss Tracy or the Capn. They dont miss CF either.
They do miss the "softer" posters. That isnt meant as criticism. We dont miss the "hard" righties either. I also notice on the funny stuff, that we also poke fun at ourselves individually and collectively.
They would see that as inappropriate and traitorous. As we often say, being a republiCON means never having to say yer sorry.
I agree Tracy, the good folks here are company enough. And MORE intellectual stimulation than my pea brain can absorb. :) I like it that here, we can examine all sides of an issue, even if it puts a lib hero or principle in a less than favorite light. And we can do that here 'cause we dont get hammered if we even question our own assumptions.
And the ability of libs to question their own assumptions is what I like best about lib posters. I believe the unexamined life is not worth living. But in my usual "everything to excess and NOTHING in moderation", I spend HUGELY inappropriate amounts of time gazing at my own navel.
When I can see it of course :)
Vaughn Tolle said:
Linda, if this makes you feel any better: my wife, who was the last (or next to last) president of the now long defunct Jay Janes pep club at KU gets so worked up by KU games, she doesn't watch them live, but videotapes them to watch after she knows the result. I, on the other hand, watch them live, muting the sound to hear the call by BobnChris (used to be BobnMax). I especially enjoy Pipe's analysis. As a former player, he is quite quick to praise good play, and to point out deficiencies where the same exist.
CF said:
Longhorn, Ma'am.
Strategy-wise, it's tough to argue with humorless hypocrites bent on victory at any cost.
Some options for us are:
-Adopt their tactics (nic-switching, name-stealing) any time they do, and when speaking in their voice, attribute to them the grossest and most stereotypical excesses associated with their views (i.e. homoeroticism masquerading as hypermasculinity)
-Never address them directly. Talk about them only in the third person, and only talk directly to each other. That way, we're commenting on them, about them, in front of them, and when they say something about us, we get to turn it into something THEY have said about us, which is still about them.
-Give their stock responses numbers, but don't tell them what these mean. When they try to use one, say that "Poster X just used a #5!"
-My "Joe Williams is an idiot" bell was a big hit on the blog. Anything that invokes a picture, sound, feeling or smell in conjunction with a particular blogger counts as a kind of branding.
-Find ways to argue using the Wingnut argument form of "If I say Y is true, it's true unless you can prove it isn't," by which they shift the burden of proof from the arguer to the skeptic.
-Use the transactional analysis model of parent, child, adult, to characterize their posts (ie, when someone rants, it's their child; when someone scolds and judges, it's their schoolmarmish parent; when someone has good boundaries, they're behaving as an adult)
These are just a few ideas. What other ideas do folks have?
Also, VT, as you are Switzerland in all of this, I'd ask for your discreet silence regarding this post.
Strategy-wise, it's tough to argue with humorless hypocrites bent on victory at any cost.
Some options for us are:
-Adopt their tactics (nic-switching, name-stealing) any time they do, and when speaking in their voice, attribute to them the grossest and most stereotypical excesses associated with their views (i.e. homoeroticism masquerading as hypermasculinity)
-Never address them directly. Talk about them only in the third person, and only talk directly to each other. That way, we're commenting on them, about them, in front of them, and when they say something about us, we get to turn it into something THEY have said about us, which is still about them.
-Give their stock responses numbers, but don't tell them what these mean. When they try to use one, say that "Poster X just used a #5!"
-My "Joe Williams is an idiot" bell was a big hit on the blog. Anything that invokes a picture, sound, feeling or smell in conjunction with a particular blogger counts as a kind of branding.
-Find ways to argue using the Wingnut argument form of "If I say Y is true, it's true unless you can prove it isn't," by which they shift the burden of proof from the arguer to the skeptic.
-Use the transactional analysis model of parent, child, adult, to characterize their posts (ie, when someone rants, it's their child; when someone scolds and judges, it's their schoolmarmish parent; when someone has good boundaries, they're behaving as an adult)
These are just a few ideas. What other ideas do folks have?
Also, VT, as you are Switzerland in all of this, I'd ask for your discreet silence regarding this post.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Linda, forgot to add this (sorry, non-KU folks): if you don't already know about it, go to www.rockchalk.com for a very interesting site where KU fans exchange their thoughts on all things related to KU basketball (and other sports, but the primary board is the basketball one). I lurk there, but do not post, as I display my ignorance fully in other venues.
Vaughn Tolle said:
CF, my fellow blogger, if a lawyer can't keep his mouth shut, then he's in the wrong job.
longhorn said:
Tracy, I also agree that we have had some hellish nic switchers on our side of the blog as well.
Many of us had thoughts and opinions about that, but kept quiet out of loyalty, or because the lib nic switchers didnt attack us. Some of us have been comparing notes and bits of information gleaned, and I think we know some of them. We just aren't calling them out. But dont think every lefty nic switcher doesnt leave a "tell" or two behind. NONE of us is that clever to cover all our tracks.
My dad had a name for nic switchers who do it 'cause they dont want to be known for their opinions or past posts. I think "chickenshit" is the technical term he would use.
There are times when it is harmless, like when Walker was brer somebody. THAT was just plain funny. But I realize that I lose almost all respect when I find a nic switcher who is dodging the consequeses of controversy or past posts.
I hope if some of us go back, the left will be distinguished by only minimal and harmless nic switching.
Many of us had thoughts and opinions about that, but kept quiet out of loyalty, or because the lib nic switchers didnt attack us. Some of us have been comparing notes and bits of information gleaned, and I think we know some of them. We just aren't calling them out. But dont think every lefty nic switcher doesnt leave a "tell" or two behind. NONE of us is that clever to cover all our tracks.
My dad had a name for nic switchers who do it 'cause they dont want to be known for their opinions or past posts. I think "chickenshit" is the technical term he would use.
There are times when it is harmless, like when Walker was brer somebody. THAT was just plain funny. But I realize that I lose almost all respect when I find a nic switcher who is dodging the consequeses of controversy or past posts.
I hope if some of us go back, the left will be distinguished by only minimal and harmless nic switching.
darwinsdisciple said:
Found this interesting:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070316/pl_nm/usa_pros...
The WH is signalling that they won't let Rove testify. Putting that man under oath has to be Bush's worst nightmare.
Longhorn,
I think it is interesting that given we're not over there, that certain folk are taking it upon themselves to define what is acceptable discourse and from whom that can derive. Who TF do they think they are?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070316/pl_nm/usa_pros...
The WH is signalling that they won't let Rove testify. Putting that man under oath has to be Bush's worst nightmare.
Longhorn,
I think it is interesting that given we're not over there, that certain folk are taking it upon themselves to define what is acceptable discourse and from whom that can derive. Who TF do they think they are?
lindainks55 said:
Have any of you taken a few minutes to use "the google" and see how easily we are found here?
I just put in my nic along with CF and was amazed at how quickly "the google" showed me where the two of us were on "the internets."
I know we hate nic switching, but should we all be as wise as longhorn and pre(whatever follows)?
CF said:
Longhorn,
Agreed. But I wanted to put all the options out there. Nic-switching is the, so to speak, mother of all nuclear options, because it would create complete anarchy--and not the good, fun kind, either.
(Philosophy comparison follows: I apologize.)
It's like when Kant uses the example of lying to test the Categorical Imperative. The CI states, "act only according to the maxim you could will as a universal law of nature." If everyone were to lie, truth-telling would be nullified--in which case, no one would be able to tell a lie. Likewise, if EVERYONE nic-switched or trolled, then no one could. These things only "work" because the underlying presumption has to be that people don't do these things.
I knew I'd get some flak from you, Longhorn, for putting this out there. But it IS a tactic, albeit an ultimately self-defeating one, and I wanted everything on the table. Self-definition and all; we know who we are in part by knowing who we aren't.
Just to be clear, I've never, EVER posted under another handle. If I were to change names, for whatever reason, I'd notify everyone and continue to honor my former posts.
As for the B'rer Rabbit episode, that was the funniest goddamn thing I ever saw on a WeBlog. Genius. Lots of things to learn from how JM Walker styled himself, and how he adopted the persona.
Agreed. But I wanted to put all the options out there. Nic-switching is the, so to speak, mother of all nuclear options, because it would create complete anarchy--and not the good, fun kind, either.
(Philosophy comparison follows: I apologize.)
It's like when Kant uses the example of lying to test the Categorical Imperative. The CI states, "act only according to the maxim you could will as a universal law of nature." If everyone were to lie, truth-telling would be nullified--in which case, no one would be able to tell a lie. Likewise, if EVERYONE nic-switched or trolled, then no one could. These things only "work" because the underlying presumption has to be that people don't do these things.
I knew I'd get some flak from you, Longhorn, for putting this out there. But it IS a tactic, albeit an ultimately self-defeating one, and I wanted everything on the table. Self-definition and all; we know who we are in part by knowing who we aren't.
Just to be clear, I've never, EVER posted under another handle. If I were to change names, for whatever reason, I'd notify everyone and continue to honor my former posts.
As for the B'rer Rabbit episode, that was the funniest goddamn thing I ever saw on a WeBlog. Genius. Lots of things to learn from how JM Walker styled himself, and how he adopted the persona.
longhorn said:
CF, those are GREAT strategies. The joe williams bell was one of my faves, and I think it pushed him to adopt different nics.
I also like the speaking about them in front of them as though they were not there, and only addressing each other when that happens.
And I LOVE the numbering of their stock responses. It is so appropriate.
The nic switching? I think we can use it in a "judo" manner against them, I just wont be doing it.
I do think there is some humor in ALL of us using a certain nic to puncture their pomposity. I have suspected that more than one poster is useing "Republican" right now. What if we all used one when we go into that "response to attack" mode. I just cant think of a funny one right now.
All good points guys. I like having a strategy. And the "secret code" of the numbering will DRIVE THEM CRAZY! hehehehehehehe!
I also like the speaking about them in front of them as though they were not there, and only addressing each other when that happens.
And I LOVE the numbering of their stock responses. It is so appropriate.
The nic switching? I think we can use it in a "judo" manner against them, I just wont be doing it.
I do think there is some humor in ALL of us using a certain nic to puncture their pomposity. I have suspected that more than one poster is useing "Republican" right now. What if we all used one when we go into that "response to attack" mode. I just cant think of a funny one right now.
All good points guys. I like having a strategy. And the "secret code" of the numbering will DRIVE THEM CRAZY! hehehehehehehe!
Vaughn Tolle said:
dd, the White House will play the Executive Privilege card for as long as it can. It will be a day the Devil's wearing ice skates, or after a SCOTUS showdown it loses, before Rove testifies under oath before Congress.
Vaughn Tolle said:
dd, forgot to add: this also speaks to Fred Fielding being the new WH counsel. Unlike his predecessors, he is competent; and goodness knows, he has experience...
lindainks55 said:
Well gster, now, you don't know me well but you know me well enough to know you're gonna have to lead me by the hand on that one!
longhorn said:
CF, you are getting no flak from me. Our posts just crossed when I was responding to Tracy. The CI comparison is interesting. I agree, it only works because most of us are too civilized to use it. I see how if EVERYONE did it, in the interests of fostering chaos, it could be an effective counter.
I think ALL options should be on the table. Re-examining our own assumptions ya know.
And DD, yes, WTF DO they think they are? There are lots of people over there speaking from their inner skool marm and their scolding parent. Cons just LOVE to give up their individuality to rules if they are the enforcers.
And then break the rules... jesus wept!
I think ALL options should be on the table. Re-examining our own assumptions ya know.
And DD, yes, WTF DO they think they are? There are lots of people over there speaking from their inner skool marm and their scolding parent. Cons just LOVE to give up their individuality to rules if they are the enforcers.
And then break the rules... jesus wept!
Vaughn Tolle said:
Totally different topic: listening to NCAA tourney games on the "crystal"; UNLV up on GaTech by 2, ~40 seconds left, 25 seconds left on the shot clock, UNLV with the ball.
Gster said:
Linda- It's been a long time since I did it, but if I recall correctly, it's on the main page behind one of the buttons. You submit you name and it takes 24 hrs to remove it. I still have a few things behind my name, but it removed my address and phone number. If you can't find, let me know and I'll re-discover how.
Gary
Gary
CF said:
lindainks55,
Thanks for ruining my afternoon! Seriously, though, that's why I changed my hotmail address: I left something somewhere with my old email that had my real name on it. Duh. Won't make that mistake again, although there are two years of posts out there.
DD,
Great find! Hadn't seen that Reuters story. The WH is spoiling for the fight they've been spoiling for: the battle over Executive Privilege and the claim that it is above the law.
Longhorn,
We cool. Same page and all. But I DO sort of like the idea of having a go-to attack nickname that's widely shared. It would have to be something, though, that's as self-puncturing as it is other puncturing. That's part of what was so brilliant about the B'rer Rabbit thing: nobody had to take it seriously, but it still got to speak the truth. Kind of a court Jester thing. Or the Fool.
The Fool. Or Lear's Fool. Court Jester.
You folks give me some good ideas every once in a while, ah tell you what...
Thanks for ruining my afternoon! Seriously, though, that's why I changed my hotmail address: I left something somewhere with my old email that had my real name on it. Duh. Won't make that mistake again, although there are two years of posts out there.
DD,
Great find! Hadn't seen that Reuters story. The WH is spoiling for the fight they've been spoiling for: the battle over Executive Privilege and the claim that it is above the law.
Longhorn,
We cool. Same page and all. But I DO sort of like the idea of having a go-to attack nickname that's widely shared. It would have to be something, though, that's as self-puncturing as it is other puncturing. That's part of what was so brilliant about the B'rer Rabbit thing: nobody had to take it seriously, but it still got to speak the truth. Kind of a court Jester thing. Or the Fool.
The Fool. Or Lear's Fool. Court Jester.
You folks give me some good ideas every once in a while, ah tell you what...
longhorn said:
I just figured everyone knew long horn was farm girl. That oughta give the google fits! Ya know, we now have info that you can indeed post with NO nic or just "..." That relieves the burden of having to chose a new nic everytime. Most of us are not that creative and as someone else noted, many of us are perfectionists and finding a "perfect" nic could be the end of a "good" post.
VT "or after a SCOTUS showdown it loses" wouldnt that take a lot of time? More "run the clock out"? Notice these butt wipes dont give a rat's ass about any future races for ANY other repukes. They just want to get away with their own hides and let the devil take the hindmost other repukes.
Sort of a "what me worry?" attitude when they know they will all be headed for Paraguay in 09 :)
These PIG F'ers are going to use the "run the clock out" strategy from here on out. It will be a lovely companion to "deny 'till ya die" or "I have a faulty memory". Seems to me like the length and strength of their collective political payback memory works just fine.
Our players need to work on special teams and forced turnovers to use a football analogy. Otherwise? The rovester is just gonna spike the ball any chance he gets.
And, unlike in football, the damn clock just keeps running and doesnt stop when he spikes the ball...
VT "or after a SCOTUS showdown it loses" wouldnt that take a lot of time? More "run the clock out"? Notice these butt wipes dont give a rat's ass about any future races for ANY other repukes. They just want to get away with their own hides and let the devil take the hindmost other repukes.
Sort of a "what me worry?" attitude when they know they will all be headed for Paraguay in 09 :)
These PIG F'ers are going to use the "run the clock out" strategy from here on out. It will be a lovely companion to "deny 'till ya die" or "I have a faulty memory". Seems to me like the length and strength of their collective political payback memory works just fine.
Our players need to work on special teams and forced turnovers to use a football analogy. Otherwise? The rovester is just gonna spike the ball any chance he gets.
And, unlike in football, the damn clock just keeps running and doesnt stop when he spikes the ball...
Vaughn Tolle said:
longhorn, maybe so; but, IIRC, the Nixon tapes case hit SCOTUS fairly quickly, and I cannot imagine such would not occur in this situation.
longhorn said:
Heheheheh. CF, YOU cool! I'm just a fawning admirer. You make me want to study philosophy. In fact, I would have liked to have studied more of that, but my folks, who were footing the bill, were of the "college as trade school" ilk. I enrolled as a music major, then went to poli sci, but switched to the biz school under pressure from the folks.
So I fooled them :) I got an undergrad degree in finance, but what I really studied would today more appropriately be called "the sociology of business". That discipline didnt exist back then.
And I knew ma and pa would have a FIT if I got a degree in sociology or philosophy. And grad school? Forget about it! That would be the despised "lazy, life long college student". And when I talked about law school? heheheh. My mom told me to grow up, come to my senses, and use that biz degree to get a good secretary job...
OF course, it never occured to me then that I could pay for it myself :)
I loved 'em both but I gotta say, I was a complete mystery to them. heheheheeh. A pattern that has followed me al my life. Both of my folks are probably WHIRLING in their graves at the thought of that "fancy education" being used to shovel shit and sling hash :)
So I fooled them :) I got an undergrad degree in finance, but what I really studied would today more appropriately be called "the sociology of business". That discipline didnt exist back then.
And I knew ma and pa would have a FIT if I got a degree in sociology or philosophy. And grad school? Forget about it! That would be the despised "lazy, life long college student". And when I talked about law school? heheheh. My mom told me to grow up, come to my senses, and use that biz degree to get a good secretary job...
OF course, it never occured to me then that I could pay for it myself :)
I loved 'em both but I gotta say, I was a complete mystery to them. heheheheeh. A pattern that has followed me al my life. Both of my folks are probably WHIRLING in their graves at the thought of that "fancy education" being used to shovel shit and sling hash :)
longhorn said:
Yeah VT, I remember that. But doesnt SCOTUS choose what cases and when? The nixon days were BEFORE the repukes stacked the SCOTUS with their "legal houseboys".
Do you SERIOUSLY think they will even take up these issues until AFTER the 08 elections? Just wondering. Maybe I'm just not aware of a way to force them to take a case on a hurry up basis.
I know you love and respect the rule of law, but these PIG F'ers have all but destroyed the relevance of the law, IMHO.
Do you SERIOUSLY think they will even take up these issues until AFTER the 08 elections? Just wondering. Maybe I'm just not aware of a way to force them to take a case on a hurry up basis.
I know you love and respect the rule of law, but these PIG F'ers have all but destroyed the relevance of the law, IMHO.
lindainks55 said:
Gary,
I hate to ask but have clicked on things I didn't even know were clicks and have gotten nowhere. I am feeling guilty like I might lead the enemy into camp. Could you help, plese? And, I hate to tell you how long you may have to hold my hand during the process... Maybe I should get one of my grandsons over and ask his help?
I hate to ask but have clicked on things I didn't even know were clicks and have gotten nowhere. I am feeling guilty like I might lead the enemy into camp. Could you help, plese? And, I hate to tell you how long you may have to hold my hand during the process... Maybe I should get one of my grandsons over and ask his help?
CF said:
A further thought: once we have our list of numbered stock infractions, we can assign a letter to each regular Wingnut poster. That way, when Hank Price says 'nothing to see here!' Lefty poster X can write (for example) "3.a" and Lefty poster Y can respond, "totally, dude!"
Vaughn Tolle said:
longhorn, it is my belief (as misguided as it may be) that if it comes to something which can truthfully be denominated as a "constitutional crisis", SCOTUS will hear the case con rapido. While I have issues with some of the sitting justices, I believe they respect the law and, therefore, would vote to hear the case (bypassing the Court of Appeals), should one arise and be "ripe" for consideration.
longhorn said:
"I am feeling guilty like I might lead the enemy into camp."
Hee hee hee linda!!! I see a vison of you in a Pocahontas get up with very quiet mocs, slinking through the forest, looking ahead at our campfire, listening behind for the snap of a twig, and worrying that the bad guys might be following you back to our safe and cozy camp. Heheheheheheeh!!!!!!!!
I guess, being an old hunter, my advise is we could cover you with "deer urine" to mask the scent and throw off the dogs. heheheheehehehehehehehehehehehehe
But I dont know which hunting store sells wingnut urine by the gallon....
Hee hee hee linda!!! I see a vison of you in a Pocahontas get up with very quiet mocs, slinking through the forest, looking ahead at our campfire, listening behind for the snap of a twig, and worrying that the bad guys might be following you back to our safe and cozy camp. Heheheheheheeh!!!!!!!!
I guess, being an old hunter, my advise is we could cover you with "deer urine" to mask the scent and throw off the dogs. heheheheehehehehehehehehehehehehe
But I dont know which hunting store sells wingnut urine by the gallon....
lindainks55 said:
I laughed till I cried!
If I don't shower for a few days in a row I think I could stink up the place almost as bad as a CON. I know no one would want to be near me.
If I don't shower for a few days in a row I think I could stink up the place almost as bad as a CON. I know no one would want to be near me.
CF said:
Longhorn,
Yes, hearing your biography, one gets the sense that you are, indeed, sui generis. Where does such a she as you come from? Not from where she's from, that's for sure.
That was a very interesting conversation we had back in the summer over the 'sociology of business,' by the way. I'm always interested in seeing such methological tools applied to entities that don't usually come in for such questioning. Usually, folks who are in it don't have the requisite distance to be able to assess the larger dynamics that are taking place.
As for this Administration, I'm on your side: they utterly and totally have no time for the rule of law. This is, as I have often said, a completely fascist regime. They reduce all questions of truth to questions of power.
And for that reason, the link DD provided is really the hinge of the whole thing: it's going to fascinating to see the WH refuse a Congressional subpeona, and to see what Constitutional machinery can be used to bring the Administration to heel. I actually believe that such apparatuses have the power to stop these bastards in their tracks. They tried to rodent bugger the Fall elections and couldn't, and now there is a counterpower in place that, if used resourcefully, can start to corrall them.
Yes, hearing your biography, one gets the sense that you are, indeed, sui generis. Where does such a she as you come from? Not from where she's from, that's for sure.
That was a very interesting conversation we had back in the summer over the 'sociology of business,' by the way. I'm always interested in seeing such methological tools applied to entities that don't usually come in for such questioning. Usually, folks who are in it don't have the requisite distance to be able to assess the larger dynamics that are taking place.
As for this Administration, I'm on your side: they utterly and totally have no time for the rule of law. This is, as I have often said, a completely fascist regime. They reduce all questions of truth to questions of power.
And for that reason, the link DD provided is really the hinge of the whole thing: it's going to fascinating to see the WH refuse a Congressional subpeona, and to see what Constitutional machinery can be used to bring the Administration to heel. I actually believe that such apparatuses have the power to stop these bastards in their tracks. They tried to rodent bugger the Fall elections and couldn't, and now there is a counterpower in place that, if used resourcefully, can start to corrall them.
longhorn said:
VT, I admire your ability to escape the cynical dungeon. I have not yet found the escape passage. I think bush v gore or whatever it was called, pretty much destoyed the credibility of SCOTUS as anything but another hammer to be used by the repukes. Sorry, I'm not being harsh with you, just honest.
All but two of those b v g justices are sitting, and having bushco and the ballless congress appoint them did NOTHING to change my mind that SCOTUS has much less to do with the law than it does with conservative reich wing politics.
I meant to address this point earlier under the USA conversation. The repukes, under reagan and bush one, had 12 F'n years to appoint justices. With the repuke controlled congress, they had another 12 years to screw with appointments, and now under "bushco, the nightmare returns", they will have had 8 DAMN years to appoint more sitting justices.
I think that dems, by losing their asses so often, have given the repukes almost 20 years to shape SCOTUS. And I see that they have done it well by their lights. That is why it is so important that dems interrupt their winning streaks and dont give them so much unbroken time to line up both current and future appointments.
I remember when Bill Clinton had to reach back to Warren Christopher 'cause no other dems had any relevant experience after 12 years of repuke rule.
The dangerous thing about these uninterrupted strings of USA and judge appointments is that they are also being successful in, as one pundit put it, Karl Rove's plan to salt and lard the team bench with folks who have experience so they can keep control in the future in crucial appointments.
For me, with all due respect to you and your profession VT, the courts do not deserve ANY respect. I do respect the rule of law, but right now? The rule of law is just a JOKE in these ununited states.
ok. bitterness off!
All but two of those b v g justices are sitting, and having bushco and the ballless congress appoint them did NOTHING to change my mind that SCOTUS has much less to do with the law than it does with conservative reich wing politics.
I meant to address this point earlier under the USA conversation. The repukes, under reagan and bush one, had 12 F'n years to appoint justices. With the repuke controlled congress, they had another 12 years to screw with appointments, and now under "bushco, the nightmare returns", they will have had 8 DAMN years to appoint more sitting justices.
I think that dems, by losing their asses so often, have given the repukes almost 20 years to shape SCOTUS. And I see that they have done it well by their lights. That is why it is so important that dems interrupt their winning streaks and dont give them so much unbroken time to line up both current and future appointments.
I remember when Bill Clinton had to reach back to Warren Christopher 'cause no other dems had any relevant experience after 12 years of repuke rule.
The dangerous thing about these uninterrupted strings of USA and judge appointments is that they are also being successful in, as one pundit put it, Karl Rove's plan to salt and lard the team bench with folks who have experience so they can keep control in the future in crucial appointments.
For me, with all due respect to you and your profession VT, the courts do not deserve ANY respect. I do respect the rule of law, but right now? The rule of law is just a JOKE in these ununited states.
ok. bitterness off!
TRACY said:
On the old blog I posted one of my cutnpastes that everyone recognizes, like alices restaraunt, or one of those.
woody accused me of plagiarism. Haaa!
I walked the dumbass through how to cutnpaste blocks of info into google so he could check for his own dumbass..........
HE STILL DID NOT GET IT.
woody accused me of plagiarism. Haaa!
I walked the dumbass through how to cutnpaste blocks of info into google so he could check for his own dumbass..........
HE STILL DID NOT GET IT.
longhorn said:
CF, I always enjoy our conversations and felt like we were just getting started this summer when Eran and I had to leave. Looking forward to more conversations.
Sui generis? heheheheheheheheheheheheheh! I had to look that one up. Indeed. I was born a lonely little petunia in an onion patch. Good thing they loved me even if they didnt understand me.
"Yes, hearing your biography, one gets the sense that you are, indeed, sui generis. Where does such a she as you come from? Not from where she's from, that's for sure."
My folks, when they were at WITS end with me, used to fall back on the comfort that there was nothing wrong with them. My problem was that I was adopted as an infant, and therefor, I came with my own faulty genes, not their own! That sounds way more harsh than it was, but it was the only explanation they could handle concerning the "sui generis" issue.
They sure spent a lot of wasted effort trying to hammer me into something they wanted, not what I was. And, just as a bonus difficulty factor :) NO ONE on either side of my very large extended families has ever been gay, either in or out of the closet.
I'm the first person on either side to graduate from college. I have 34 older Bender cousins and 16 older Stenzel cousins, so ya know, it isnt like they didnt have others who could have gone to college. Hee hee hee, they just thought my folks were spoiling me by sending me on to school. I was already a little "uppity" for the rest of my family.
Ok, therapy session done :) Where do I drop 5 cents for the doc who was in?
Sui generis? heheheheheheheheheheheheheh! I had to look that one up. Indeed. I was born a lonely little petunia in an onion patch. Good thing they loved me even if they didnt understand me.
"Yes, hearing your biography, one gets the sense that you are, indeed, sui generis. Where does such a she as you come from? Not from where she's from, that's for sure."
My folks, when they were at WITS end with me, used to fall back on the comfort that there was nothing wrong with them. My problem was that I was adopted as an infant, and therefor, I came with my own faulty genes, not their own! That sounds way more harsh than it was, but it was the only explanation they could handle concerning the "sui generis" issue.
They sure spent a lot of wasted effort trying to hammer me into something they wanted, not what I was. And, just as a bonus difficulty factor :) NO ONE on either side of my very large extended families has ever been gay, either in or out of the closet.
I'm the first person on either side to graduate from college. I have 34 older Bender cousins and 16 older Stenzel cousins, so ya know, it isnt like they didnt have others who could have gone to college. Hee hee hee, they just thought my folks were spoiling me by sending me on to school. I was already a little "uppity" for the rest of my family.
Ok, therapy session done :) Where do I drop 5 cents for the doc who was in?
TRACY said:
All you left handed people have your own kanass blogs!
Longhorny~~there's even a 'gay kansas' blog.
check it out linklovers
http://www.leftyblogs.com/kansas/
Red State Rabble is a longtime fave of mine.
Longhorny~~there's even a 'gay kansas' blog.
check it out linklovers
http://www.leftyblogs.com/kansas/
Red State Rabble is a longtime fave of mine.
TRACY said:
Longhorny?
You're one of the "Bloody Benders" of Labette County fame?
I ain't messing wit you!
You're one of the "Bloody Benders" of Labette County fame?
I ain't messing wit you!
TRACY said:
The Bloody Benders were a family of serial killers who owned a small general store and inn in Labette County, Kansas from 1872 to 1873. The family consisted of John Bender, his wife, son, and daughter Kate. Kate was very attractive and outgoing, and thus became a large draw for the Benders' establishment. She proclaimed herself to be a healer and psychic who could cure sickness and contact the dead. Kate is believed to be the driving force behind the Bender family killings.
The Bender Killing Method
The Bender family home had a large room that was divided by a curtain. If a guest appeared to be wealthy, they would give him a seat of honor, with his back to the curtain. Kate would distract the guest, while John Bender or his son would come from behind the curtain and strike the guest on the skull with a hammer. The victim's throat was then cut to ensure his death. The body was moved behind the curtain and thrown through a trap door that led down into a cellar. Once in the cellar, the body would be stripped and later buried somewhere on the property, often in the orchard.
The Bender Killing Method
The Bender family home had a large room that was divided by a curtain. If a guest appeared to be wealthy, they would give him a seat of honor, with his back to the curtain. Kate would distract the guest, while John Bender or his son would come from behind the curtain and strike the guest on the skull with a hammer. The victim's throat was then cut to ensure his death. The body was moved behind the curtain and thrown through a trap door that led down into a cellar. Once in the cellar, the body would be stripped and later buried somewhere on the property, often in the orchard.
TRACY said:
Hmmmm..........
Longhorny runs a....
RESTARUANT!
Do you suppose?
Naw...........
Well.........maybe.
HA!
Longhorny runs a....
RESTARUANT!
Do you suppose?
Naw...........
Well.........maybe.
HA!
longhorn said:
hee hee hee hee Tracy! No, we are the tame farming Benders from Russell, via Germany and Russia! Actually, my Mom said one time they thought they were related, but, funny thing, we didnt talk about it much:)
Besides, as I pointed out, I dont have any Bender BLOOD!!! heheheh. My mom was an Indian from oklahoma, my father is unknown (WTF???) and I was born in Topeka. I do know my birth name and my birth mom's name and age, but little else.
I could find out more, but for a variety of boring reasons, I chose not to do so.
My folks are my real folks. Despite my yuppy introspective whining here, I had a story book child hood and the love and support of my parents all my life. They did the best they could with a veeery difficult child.
Think about it. HEHEHEHEEHEHEHEHEHHHEEHEHEHEHEHEHEH!!!!
Besides, as I pointed out, I dont have any Bender BLOOD!!! heheheh. My mom was an Indian from oklahoma, my father is unknown (WTF???) and I was born in Topeka. I do know my birth name and my birth mom's name and age, but little else.
I could find out more, but for a variety of boring reasons, I chose not to do so.
My folks are my real folks. Despite my yuppy introspective whining here, I had a story book child hood and the love and support of my parents all my life. They did the best they could with a veeery difficult child.
Think about it. HEHEHEHEEHEHEHEHEHHHEEHEHEHEHEHEHEH!!!!
Dave Shuck said:
OK, all.... I ***REALLY*** mean it this time. Unsubscribing from comment threads (not receiving future emails) actually works now. Any email you receive after this posting will have the appropriate link on it for you to unsubscribe. Keep in mind that if you want to stay unsubscribed, you will need to uncheck the 'notify me' checkbox on new entries.
Thanks for all your patience guys/gals, and feel free to holler with any problems.
~Dave
Thanks for all your patience guys/gals, and feel free to holler with any problems.
~Dave
longhorn said:
Heheheheheheh. I got the idea from Fried Green Tomatoes, not the Benders!!! Everyone does love my bbq. Is it hog boilin' time over at blog brand x? :)
Gster said:
Three times today Ive sent a post and it went away , I never received the email to authorize the sending to the blog. Let's see if this one works.
longhorn said:
Thanks for all your work Dave, Aaron, Ryan, and anyone else who has been working to provide us this venue. At the risk of inconveniencing our gracious hosts, could you make a BLANK notify me box as the default instead of the checked one? I try to "uncheck" it, but I am old and like the republicans, my memory is feeble :)
No big deal, we can certainly live well with it as it is, but you could put it on the list of future improvements.
Thanks again for hosting us. Dont know when I will make it to Wichita again, but you do have some fried chicken and tater salad coming your way.
Unless you prefer real Texas bbq? Not BENDER bbq of course. Yikes.
No big deal, we can certainly live well with it as it is, but you could put it on the list of future improvements.
Thanks again for hosting us. Dont know when I will make it to Wichita again, but you do have some fried chicken and tater salad coming your way.
Unless you prefer real Texas bbq? Not BENDER bbq of course. Yikes.
darwinsdisciple said:
I am going to side with Vaughn on this one, even though he did not explicitly say what I'm going to. I think the US Supreme Court has as part of their mandate the long term interests of the law and country. I think this will allow them to help impose the law on the Bush administration. If this proves to be wrong, it may be time to get your Mauser out and prepare to climb over the wall.
lindainks55 said:
I only receive emails in confirmation of adding a comment (that would be when I post something) AND each time Gster posts. When I get those telling me Gster posts I get several (two or three) and find only one post from Gster. Other posters I don't know until I check here for something new. Sure hope I haven't muddied the waters here. As someone else said, it isn't anything I can't live with pretty easily.
Gster said:
Linda- To remove your phone info from google, go to :http://www.google.com/help/pbremoval.html and so the paper work.
Also, for God's sake, don't douse yourself with wingnut urine. If you do , you'll start to babble low grade BS and breathe through your mouth. Over time, it's gets much worse!
I had to stop or I'd have nightmares tonight!
Also, for God's sake, don't douse yourself with wingnut urine. If you do , you'll start to babble low grade BS and breathe through your mouth. Over time, it's gets much worse!
I had to stop or I'd have nightmares tonight!
longhorn said:
DD, that's why I love you. You always believe in the goodness of human kind and the kindness of strangers. I guess I'm just wired different cause I have to CHOOSE to think that way. It isnt my default setting. I hope I didnt run off Vaughn with my negativity.
"If this proves to be wrong, it may be time to get your Mauser out and prepare to climb over the wall"
You know, in my 30+ years of adulthood, we have all joked about that many times. But this time? It feels different. Like it might really happen.
Seriously? I am stockpiling food like crazy and I'm going to be canning to beat hell this summer. There is a reason why I am raising chickens for the first time. It isnt like I need another job :) I feel like our food supply in this country is really in jeopardy for a variety of reasons.
It remains to be seen if I could actually kill someone with one of my many guns. Somehow I think I am soft and neutered in my 50's and dont think I could do it. I dont even hunt anymore, and one of my pals has agreed to kill and clean the chickens. I can do it, but I just dont have the heart to kill anymore.
People say under the right circumstances, we are all capable of killing. I hope they're right. Besides, with a sharp tongue like mine, I could either slice them up with it's razor edge, or make them fall down laughing! I hope it is laughing 'cause I dont want to get close enough to really use my tongue!
"If this proves to be wrong, it may be time to get your Mauser out and prepare to climb over the wall"
You know, in my 30+ years of adulthood, we have all joked about that many times. But this time? It feels different. Like it might really happen.
Seriously? I am stockpiling food like crazy and I'm going to be canning to beat hell this summer. There is a reason why I am raising chickens for the first time. It isnt like I need another job :) I feel like our food supply in this country is really in jeopardy for a variety of reasons.
It remains to be seen if I could actually kill someone with one of my many guns. Somehow I think I am soft and neutered in my 50's and dont think I could do it. I dont even hunt anymore, and one of my pals has agreed to kill and clean the chickens. I can do it, but I just dont have the heart to kill anymore.
People say under the right circumstances, we are all capable of killing. I hope they're right. Besides, with a sharp tongue like mine, I could either slice them up with it's razor edge, or make them fall down laughing! I hope it is laughing 'cause I dont want to get close enough to really use my tongue!
darwinsdisciple said:
The email notifications go to my hotmail account, so it is not like it is that inconvenient for me, but it might be if these notices came to my regular email account. There are a lot of posts to this blog, here lately at least.
lindainks55 said:
Sometime in the near future I'm gonna need to taste that fried chicken and potato salad. I've heard so much about it my mouth waters when I see your nic.
I'm eating sugar snap pea pods and a small slice of cheese as lunch which followed a breakfast of a tiny bit of Crispix with fresh blueberries and skim milk.
Many glasses of water so I am wearing out the carpet between my desk and the bathroom.
Not that anyone should worry about me -- I could live off the fat of the land much longer than I ever manage to stay on a diet.
I'm eating sugar snap pea pods and a small slice of cheese as lunch which followed a breakfast of a tiny bit of Crispix with fresh blueberries and skim milk.
Many glasses of water so I am wearing out the carpet between my desk and the bathroom.
Not that anyone should worry about me -- I could live off the fat of the land much longer than I ever manage to stay on a diet.
Gster said:
Longhorn- Which me are referring to? There's me, Ralph, the other guy, Alice (only on odd weekends), Running Bear , Gork and Ceasar.
You ought to see my grocery bill!
Confusion can be a way of life!
You ought to see my grocery bill!
Confusion can be a way of life!
darwinsdisciple said:
Vaughn is a good object. I don't think he could be upset too much with negativity.
I think that even Roberts and Alito can see past 2009 - is the point I was making. Not all republicans are like Bush - if that were true, I can't even imagine the anarchy we'd have.
I am old enough to remember the group of republicans (including Goldwater) going to the White House to have a "Come to Jesus" talk with Nixon. He resigned the next week.
It may not be that pretty and neat with the current resident, but he is losing ground daily with his party and I think that even he can recognize the value of compromise when the costs are high enough.
I think that even Roberts and Alito can see past 2009 - is the point I was making. Not all republicans are like Bush - if that were true, I can't even imagine the anarchy we'd have.
I am old enough to remember the group of republicans (including Goldwater) going to the White House to have a "Come to Jesus" talk with Nixon. He resigned the next week.
It may not be that pretty and neat with the current resident, but he is losing ground daily with his party and I think that even he can recognize the value of compromise when the costs are high enough.
lindainks55 said:
Gster, Gary, Ralph, Alice, Running Bear, Gork and Ceasar,
Thank you! I did that paperwork at Google per your very clear instructions. Can't get easier than providing a link and all I have to do is click and fill in blanks!
But, that doesn't keep me from leading the enemy to our camp, does it? Doesn't it just take my phone number off and save me the possibility of harassing calls? We might all need to find deer urine cause I'm here to tell you if you type my nic into the google you find posts I've made here. That means you find our strategy, our fun, our cussin and discussin. They'll ALL wanna come here when they see how much fun it can be!
Thank you! I did that paperwork at Google per your very clear instructions. Can't get easier than providing a link and all I have to do is click and fill in blanks!
But, that doesn't keep me from leading the enemy to our camp, does it? Doesn't it just take my phone number off and save me the possibility of harassing calls? We might all need to find deer urine cause I'm here to tell you if you type my nic into the google you find posts I've made here. That means you find our strategy, our fun, our cussin and discussin. They'll ALL wanna come here when they see how much fun it can be!
Gster said:
I Googled myself and found no links here. I don't know if I'm too trivial to notice, or maybe I'm stealthy and don't know it.
You're right that just removes your phone and address info, but that helps. The rest is just being careful and never forget Big Brother George is out there lurking, for you own good, I'm sure!
You're right that just removes your phone and address info, but that helps. The rest is just being careful and never forget Big Brother George is out there lurking, for you own good, I'm sure!
longhorn said:
Hehehehe Linda. I'm not worried. If they were looking for us, they would have found us by now. But that is why I switched nics and it had no variation of "farm" in it. Another reason not to invite even ONE of the rodent buggers here. Yet.
They are having so much fun over there...
... heheheheh that they have had a whopping 130 posts on today's threads!
They are agreeing with each other that a)bush is competent b) the USA firings were not political c)all libs are foul mouthed group thinkers d)Nathan is the best thing since sliced bread, etc.
Couple of libs posting occassionally, but I think they are one hit wonders. I do wish they'd stop. And I wish writerdog and JR would knock it off that we want "censorship" or "over the top posts" pulled. We want TROLL prevention, and that's all, right?
And at the risk of thinking about them too much, I think paul rossell is germie!
No shit. Germie has been "sounding" less grandmotherly and more savy lately. Whatever. But this morning, germie posted a link from, wait for it, FREEPERVILLE!!! Now, most grandmothers dont read free republic, and paulie has posted many links from them and townhall, etc.
And in a new post, germie says something about ECON 101. Dont know if that is a red herring, but I think if we are beeeeewwy beeeewy quiet, germie may out herself as paulie. I think he/she wants them to know. And why has no one asked her when her "10 day" hehehe vacation starts? I thought it was to start yesterday, then today, and now? Whatever. I just think it's funny.
Make 'em comfy and let them spread out a bit, and who knows WHAT we will find out!
They are having so much fun over there...
... heheheheh that they have had a whopping 130 posts on today's threads!
They are agreeing with each other that a)bush is competent b) the USA firings were not political c)all libs are foul mouthed group thinkers d)Nathan is the best thing since sliced bread, etc.
Couple of libs posting occassionally, but I think they are one hit wonders. I do wish they'd stop. And I wish writerdog and JR would knock it off that we want "censorship" or "over the top posts" pulled. We want TROLL prevention, and that's all, right?
And at the risk of thinking about them too much, I think paul rossell is germie!
No shit. Germie has been "sounding" less grandmotherly and more savy lately. Whatever. But this morning, germie posted a link from, wait for it, FREEPERVILLE!!! Now, most grandmothers dont read free republic, and paulie has posted many links from them and townhall, etc.
And in a new post, germie says something about ECON 101. Dont know if that is a red herring, but I think if we are beeeeewwy beeeewy quiet, germie may out herself as paulie. I think he/she wants them to know. And why has no one asked her when her "10 day" hehehe vacation starts? I thought it was to start yesterday, then today, and now? Whatever. I just think it's funny.
Make 'em comfy and let them spread out a bit, and who knows WHAT we will find out!
longhorn said:
(tap tap tap) Is this thing on? heheheeh Where is everyone. Watching the game?
Linda, I promise you will get chicken and tater salad someday. Funny that you are Pavlov's dog when you see my nic! My cats have the same reaction...
Linda, I promise you will get chicken and tater salad someday. Funny that you are Pavlov's dog when you see my nic! My cats have the same reaction...
TRACY said:
Don't worry about losing "readers".
They will find us.
I just got this from a wichita native who lurks us daily:
Sorry about you all leaving the blog. I miss reading your posts. I still read daily, and those right wingers who remain sure seem smug…….they really make me sick. If you all decide to go somewhere else, please let me know. I know I’m just a lurker, but I feel like I’ve known you all for a long time.
jfran
I did not print his name, he's only posted a few times, but always keeps in touch.
I got him a linkie.
Hi jfran!
No real interuption in the soap opera.
They will find us.
I just got this from a wichita native who lurks us daily:
Sorry about you all leaving the blog. I miss reading your posts. I still read daily, and those right wingers who remain sure seem smug…….they really make me sick. If you all decide to go somewhere else, please let me know. I know I’m just a lurker, but I feel like I’ve known you all for a long time.
jfran
I did not print his name, he's only posted a few times, but always keeps in touch.
I got him a linkie.
Hi jfran!
No real interuption in the soap opera.
Gster said:
It's been a week and I look back and realize that I haven't really been PO'd at someones pathetic stupidity like I did at "the other place" hourly.
Even though I don't necessarily agree with evrything posted here, it's worth reading and considering.
Yeah, I really miss the short-sighted labeling and constant name calling!
Even though I don't necessarily agree with evrything posted here, it's worth reading and considering.
Yeah, I really miss the short-sighted labeling and constant name calling!
TRACY said:
I'm still getting the autoreply.
Gotta go get Pa up so's he can watch the hawks from an upright position.
Gotta go get Pa up so's he can watch the hawks from an upright position.
darwinsdisciple said:
Paulie as Germie... If they are seperate people, they share the trait of having never read a Republican lie that they did not believe.
Longhorn,
You forgot: "Plame was not covert", "Republicans are not racist, Democrats are". A million lies before breakfast.
I believe we are starting to see Blog X come crushing down from its own weight.
Longhorn,
You forgot: "Plame was not covert", "Republicans are not racist, Democrats are". A million lies before breakfast.
I believe we are starting to see Blog X come crushing down from its own weight.
CF said:
Hey there, folks. Just rearranging the deck chairs on the Ti--well, actually, the thousand+ books in my office.
Digby has an excellent post today on Victoria Toensing's appearance before Henry Waxman's committee.
Takeaway version:
Chris Van Hollen: beyond the legalisms about what counts as 'undercover' versus 'covert,' don't Administration official have an obligation not to reveal the identities of CIA operatives in a cavalier fashion that might damage efforts at nuclear non-proliteration?
Victoria Toensing: well, um, could be, but everybody in government knew that
digbysblog.blogspot.com
What a despicable specimen. And, Digby reports, Henry Waxman called out her testimony as inaccurate, and said he'd leave the record open so her statements can be corrected.
Right on. They might have the Presidency, the Supreme Court, and the Senate. But we have the damn House, and the knowledge of how to run hearings.
Between this and the firings scandal, I'd say Bush is hittin' the bottle pretty hard this evening. Word has it that Laura heads for the Mayflower Hotel in DC when George starts binging. Word also has it that he called her a C**T in front of some reporters.
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/
Credible? Who knows. But it certainly fits the sort of hissy-fit throwing, vindictive, rigid, out of control juvenile we've come to know these last seven years.
Digby has an excellent post today on Victoria Toensing's appearance before Henry Waxman's committee.
Takeaway version:
Chris Van Hollen: beyond the legalisms about what counts as 'undercover' versus 'covert,' don't Administration official have an obligation not to reveal the identities of CIA operatives in a cavalier fashion that might damage efforts at nuclear non-proliteration?
Victoria Toensing: well, um, could be, but everybody in government knew that
digbysblog.blogspot.com
What a despicable specimen. And, Digby reports, Henry Waxman called out her testimony as inaccurate, and said he'd leave the record open so her statements can be corrected.
Right on. They might have the Presidency, the Supreme Court, and the Senate. But we have the damn House, and the knowledge of how to run hearings.
Between this and the firings scandal, I'd say Bush is hittin' the bottle pretty hard this evening. Word has it that Laura heads for the Mayflower Hotel in DC when George starts binging. Word also has it that he called her a C**T in front of some reporters.
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/
Credible? Who knows. But it certainly fits the sort of hissy-fit throwing, vindictive, rigid, out of control juvenile we've come to know these last seven years.
Gster said:
Longhorn- Later this year when it warms up, I'm going to work on Niterider to hop on our cycles and hit the Conyer Cafe. I want a bowl of beef lips & rat feet I've heard about! Or was that served somewhere else?
Hmmmmmmmm......
Hmmmmmmmm......
longhorn said:
You are a good man Tracy Phillips. Tell yer pa hey from all us librats.
Hey CF, how about "librats" for the troll nic? heheheh
Gster, I'm shocked, SHOCKED I say, that you dont agree with everything here. (In my best bevis and butt head) Are you threatening us!!! You do not subscribe to group think!! I am CORNHOLIO!! Are you threatening me?"
hehehehehehehehehehe
Hey CF, how about "librats" for the troll nic? heheheh
Gster, I'm shocked, SHOCKED I say, that you dont agree with everything here. (In my best bevis and butt head) Are you threatening us!!! You do not subscribe to group think!! I am CORNHOLIO!! Are you threatening me?"
hehehehehehehehehehe
darwinsdisciple said:
Oh, I forgot one: "the Katrina disaster was the result of local government failures."
It is amazing how quickly one forgets those gems...
It is amazing how quickly one forgets those gems...
longhorn said:
Yer right DD, I did miss a few memes. I dont even think the rodent buggers over there have read anything or listened to anything about the hearing and the testimony. They knew what they would think before the first gavel fell. I like Digby, and there are some good posts on DU about it too.
"Word has it that Laura heads for the Mayflower Hotel in DC when George starts binging. Word also has it that he called her a C**T in front of some reporters."
THAT, my friend, is just too funny for words.
"Word has it that Laura heads for the Mayflower Hotel in DC when George starts binging. Word also has it that he called her a C**T in front of some reporters."
THAT, my friend, is just too funny for words.
CF said:
Longhorn,
Hmmm. Let me see how 'librats' sets with me.
In the meantime, here's a PRICELESS piece of visual analysis of Gonzales' press conference yesterday from BAGnewsNotes--or, to be more precise, of his HANDS. Scroll down a bit and you'll se it.
http://bagnewsnotes.typepad.com/bagnews/
Sort of like the list of usual denials I posted yesterday, here's Michael Shaw's version of the generic poses of press conference denial that one now sees with increasing frequency from Repubes:
1.) We're fine, right?
2.) This is how it is.
3. Don't get me mad. And finally,
4.) See ya later.
Did they all go to the same Wingnut charm school or what?
Hmmm. Let me see how 'librats' sets with me.
In the meantime, here's a PRICELESS piece of visual analysis of Gonzales' press conference yesterday from BAGnewsNotes--or, to be more precise, of his HANDS. Scroll down a bit and you'll se it.
http://bagnewsnotes.typepad.com/bagnews/
Sort of like the list of usual denials I posted yesterday, here's Michael Shaw's version of the generic poses of press conference denial that one now sees with increasing frequency from Repubes:
1.) We're fine, right?
2.) This is how it is.
3. Don't get me mad. And finally,
4.) See ya later.
Did they all go to the same Wingnut charm school or what?
longhorn said:
Musta been somewhere else gster.
Like bobby bare, my favorite meal is "greasy grits gravy and gizzard green, pig fat pie and bobo beans. Make's you wanna split yer jeans, eatin' greasy grits gravy and gizzard greens."
Or barring that, fried chicken :)
Like bobby bare, my favorite meal is "greasy grits gravy and gizzard green, pig fat pie and bobo beans. Make's you wanna split yer jeans, eatin' greasy grits gravy and gizzard greens."
Or barring that, fried chicken :)
longhorn said:
CF, they all use the same talking points, and right now, they are being debunked faster than the rovester can issue new ones. They are behind the lie curve and cant get ahead.
I bet the repuke strategists are busy this weekend!
I bet the repuke strategists are busy this weekend!
CF said:
"The Lie Curve." Oh, that's good.
As for the second point, indeed. They're going to have a whole new rodent buggery offensive ready to roll out Monday morning.
But I'd say they're in real trouble; they haven't had to defend themselves against a hostile Congress armed with subpeonas. It's kind of like the team that's won every game by a ridiculous margin, that now finds itself in the playoffs in overtime. They don't have any precedent for this, and it's becoming increasingly difficult for them to keep the lower echelons in line, since these are the folks who know they'll be expected to take a bullet for the big guys, while getting nothing in return.
Another point I hadn't considered: if Gonzales goes, who can Bush appoint? The Austin mafia are all implicated in this; and if he goes to someone credible and indepedent to restore faith in the DOJ, he runs the risk that such a person might appoint...
that's right: a Special Prosecutor. So they're going to try to ride this Gonzales thing out. But once his deputies go before the Judiciary Committee next week, it's only a matter of when, not if Gonzales goes.
As for the second point, indeed. They're going to have a whole new rodent buggery offensive ready to roll out Monday morning.
But I'd say they're in real trouble; they haven't had to defend themselves against a hostile Congress armed with subpeonas. It's kind of like the team that's won every game by a ridiculous margin, that now finds itself in the playoffs in overtime. They don't have any precedent for this, and it's becoming increasingly difficult for them to keep the lower echelons in line, since these are the folks who know they'll be expected to take a bullet for the big guys, while getting nothing in return.
Another point I hadn't considered: if Gonzales goes, who can Bush appoint? The Austin mafia are all implicated in this; and if he goes to someone credible and indepedent to restore faith in the DOJ, he runs the risk that such a person might appoint...
that's right: a Special Prosecutor. So they're going to try to ride this Gonzales thing out. But once his deputies go before the Judiciary Committee next week, it's only a matter of when, not if Gonzales goes.
longhorn said:
Agreed CF. I know they will dump him if he takes on too much water and starts to sink the whole ship. But I think if he just keeps his mouth shut, they will try to run out the clock.
As someone else said today, we may not have much, but we have supoenas and we know how to run hearings. Anyway, WAXMAN does! Now if LIEberman would just hold Katria hearings. Couldnt someone else do that? Or do we have a que of too many scandals and they are going to have to pick and chose?
As someone else said today, we may not have much, but we have supoenas and we know how to run hearings. Anyway, WAXMAN does! Now if LIEberman would just hold Katria hearings. Couldnt someone else do that? Or do we have a que of too many scandals and they are going to have to pick and chose?
CF said:
Yeah, Lieberman's opt-out is the most traitorous thing he's done, in my opinion. I wonder if another Senate Committee could take up Katrina under a different pretext.
OK. Gotta run. Will check back in later.
OK. Gotta run. Will check back in later.
longhorn said:
OMG, they are so pathetic over at babbleblog that they are even trotting out Ted Kennedy!!!!!! WTF?
"if we are going to think like that we should probably have some bumper stickers printed up "Don't Drive Like Teddy" afterall it is still safer to go hunting with Dick that riding with Teddy."
Uh, that was germie, in case you were wondering. I think they are whipping up a little esprit de corp right now, but they obviously havent seen Norma Rae!
"if we are going to think like that we should probably have some bumper stickers printed up "Don't Drive Like Teddy" afterall it is still safer to go hunting with Dick that riding with Teddy."
Uh, that was germie, in case you were wondering. I think they are whipping up a little esprit de corp right now, but they obviously havent seen Norma Rae!
darwinsdisciple said:
In the Wayne Madsen report (the one CF provided), he really takes on the Washington Post as being a mouthpiece for the Bush White House. I have participated on some of their discussion boards at the Post and most of their political reporters are scared to death of the Bush/Rove administration. I have accused them of being wusses who are tricked into thinking they will get some information if they act nice. They claim they don't have such a motive because they get nothing even when they act nice. I still think Rove, et al. excercises some control over them somehow.
WSClark said:
He's back!!!! (Oh, no, that God damned liberal is back at his keyboard!!! I bet that son-of-a-bitch is a faggot!!!)
Hey, folks just got back from checking out my kid's mildew problem. Fortunately, this is a house that they have not bought yet because it was not good news. All of the windows need to be replaced and the related wallboard as well. Big bucks. If they were Republicans, they could just borrow the money and let a future generation pay for it. But they are not Rep's so they'll force the owner into fixing it before they buy or no deal.
Democrats are so much smarter.
Here's is my two cents worth of the WE v. WV issue - our hosts have treated us damned well and they have made very efforts to work with us on anything that we consider to be an issue.
I do not want this to turn into DU where everyone kisses up to everyone else. I would be happy to have moderates and true conservatives on the board to debate issues. That would be fun and educational for all.
Going back to WE Blog is not an option. First of all, in my not-so humble opinion, it would be a slap in the face of our new hosts. Secondly, we are dreaming if we think it is going to be any different. For Christ's sake, Khan and SOB are drafting rules for us to live by if we come back.
Our approach should be to get the moderates and true conservatives like RM and Dub-Dog to come over, along with the stragglers. Even though I e-mailed them, the stragglers are still out there. We also need J R to come over. We should actively recruit the reasonable folks to join us.
Any thoughts?
BTW - I am looking for a good crock pot recipe for corned beef and cabbage - any ideas? If so, send me an e-mail.
Hey, folks just got back from checking out my kid's mildew problem. Fortunately, this is a house that they have not bought yet because it was not good news. All of the windows need to be replaced and the related wallboard as well. Big bucks. If they were Republicans, they could just borrow the money and let a future generation pay for it. But they are not Rep's so they'll force the owner into fixing it before they buy or no deal.
Democrats are so much smarter.
Here's is my two cents worth of the WE v. WV issue - our hosts have treated us damned well and they have made very efforts to work with us on anything that we consider to be an issue.
I do not want this to turn into DU where everyone kisses up to everyone else. I would be happy to have moderates and true conservatives on the board to debate issues. That would be fun and educational for all.
Going back to WE Blog is not an option. First of all, in my not-so humble opinion, it would be a slap in the face of our new hosts. Secondly, we are dreaming if we think it is going to be any different. For Christ's sake, Khan and SOB are drafting rules for us to live by if we come back.
Our approach should be to get the moderates and true conservatives like RM and Dub-Dog to come over, along with the stragglers. Even though I e-mailed them, the stragglers are still out there. We also need J R to come over. We should actively recruit the reasonable folks to join us.
Any thoughts?
BTW - I am looking for a good crock pot recipe for corned beef and cabbage - any ideas? If so, send me an e-mail.
longhorn said:
I agree, we can bring more folks in, but I made a mistake today when I said we had been at it a week. It's only been three days. And... we have been posting as much or more than they are over there.
Our hosts are wonderful, and I think if we can bring more folks here to drive up their numbers, that would be a good thing. I just think we need to wait until April 1 to issue invites. Like Linda said, if anyone was looking for us, they could have googled by now.
As for the cbandc, I actually dont recommend the crock pot, but it depends on what you are cooking. I like the whole corned beef brisket, and I roast mine in the oven for a while, depending on the size. Mine comes in a package with some pickling juices and spices, and it recommends to boil or roast with the juices so dont pour them off. I like to add some heat, like red pepper flakes, but then, I lived in Texas :) I also add lots of onion and garlic too.
I'd guess that I roast it about 40 min per pound or so. About two hours before it's done, I put in some new potatoes and roast them too. Then, about an hour before it's done, I add the cabbage wedges or slices. I try to keep it in kinda big pieces.
When it's done, the veggies should be browned a little, the beef browned a little, and the juice poured off and served on the side if it isnt too salty. If it is too salty, you can add some heavy cream for thickening and to tone down the salt.
Let the brisket rest before you slice it. Then serve it with spicy mustard and dill pickles and enjoy!!!
Our hosts are wonderful, and I think if we can bring more folks here to drive up their numbers, that would be a good thing. I just think we need to wait until April 1 to issue invites. Like Linda said, if anyone was looking for us, they could have googled by now.
As for the cbandc, I actually dont recommend the crock pot, but it depends on what you are cooking. I like the whole corned beef brisket, and I roast mine in the oven for a while, depending on the size. Mine comes in a package with some pickling juices and spices, and it recommends to boil or roast with the juices so dont pour them off. I like to add some heat, like red pepper flakes, but then, I lived in Texas :) I also add lots of onion and garlic too.
I'd guess that I roast it about 40 min per pound or so. About two hours before it's done, I put in some new potatoes and roast them too. Then, about an hour before it's done, I add the cabbage wedges or slices. I try to keep it in kinda big pieces.
When it's done, the veggies should be browned a little, the beef browned a little, and the juice poured off and served on the side if it isnt too salty. If it is too salty, you can add some heavy cream for thickening and to tone down the salt.
Let the brisket rest before you slice it. Then serve it with spicy mustard and dill pickles and enjoy!!!
Julie said:
Sandra,
I tried to send Hank an email - but his link went straight to a website about veterans. I tried bonedigging but didn't have a lot of time. But Scoutmothers Honor - that is the one and only post that I shall make over there until April.
Please don't deprive me of fried chicken and tater salad. I promise to be a good girl. I'm sending the boys out your way (Cedar Bluff)this weekend, you can beat MM if ya want. (Scout campout and geology merit badge)
I tried to send Hank an email - but his link went straight to a website about veterans. I tried bonedigging but didn't have a lot of time. But Scoutmothers Honor - that is the one and only post that I shall make over there until April.
Please don't deprive me of fried chicken and tater salad. I promise to be a good girl. I'm sending the boys out your way (Cedar Bluff)this weekend, you can beat MM if ya want. (Scout campout and geology merit badge)
longhorn said:
Sorry if I bored anyone with that! Sliced, it makes the best corned beef and/or reuben sandwiches in the world! I use the last scraps for corned beef hash topped with poached eggs. I also forgot to recommend homemade rye bread and sweet butter!
Heheheheh. Heart attack on a plate.
Heheheheh. Heart attack on a plate.
Vaughn Tolle said:
longhorn, now you've got me so darned hungry; first, fried chicken and tater salad, now corned beef and cabbage... I know the latter was in response to a request by WS, but still, have pity on an old and "growing" (the wrong way) guy at this late hour.
longhorn said:
No problem Julie :) You know I love ya, but unlike Hank, I mean it when I say it! I hope the boys have fun at Cedar Bluff. It sure is pretty outside, and they shouldnt have to fight the wind like last time. Famous last words out here, eh?
I would never deprive ANY of the libs of fried chicken and tater salad. heheeheheheheh
I would never deprive ANY of the libs of fried chicken and tater salad. heheeheheheheh
longhorn said:
heheheh VT! My menu descriptions are a thing of beauty. Better than love sonnets. I'm particularly fond of my "ode to stir fried shrim;" heheheh. I had to LURE these hillbillies to try something other than the beef :)
Like most middle aged women, these days, if I an weighing the "chocolate... sex? Chocolate...sex? conundrum...
....chocolate wins out ever more frequently....
And dont even ASK about ice cream and peach cobbler!
Like most middle aged women, these days, if I an weighing the "chocolate... sex? Chocolate...sex? conundrum...
....chocolate wins out ever more frequently....
And dont even ASK about ice cream and peach cobbler!
lindainks55 said:
Thanks longhorn! I bought a corned beef (in the package just like you described) and had planned to find a recipe online. And, as it happens I did find a recipe online -- right here!
How much (if any) water do I add to the juices in the bag when I start the roasting? Do I cover? If so, at what point do I uncover?
Thanks in advance!
How much (if any) water do I add to the juices in the bag when I start the roasting? Do I cover? If so, at what point do I uncover?
Thanks in advance!
WSClark said:
This is getting out of control, Farm Grrl. Way out of control.
The first rule of grocery shopping is to NOT go hungry. I am heading out to the store and what do you come up with???
Rueben sandwiches (my absolute favorite) corned beef hash and eggs (my favorite breakfast after B & G) Homemade rye bread and sweet butter?
Grrl, you are really crusin'.
I agree with VT, have some mercy.
Come on' now. I fessed up to quitting smoking a few months ago and the battle with the belt is on going.
Man, this is going to be one tough weekend!!!!
But, I still love ya!!!!
The first rule of grocery shopping is to NOT go hungry. I am heading out to the store and what do you come up with???
Rueben sandwiches (my absolute favorite) corned beef hash and eggs (my favorite breakfast after B & G) Homemade rye bread and sweet butter?
Grrl, you are really crusin'.
I agree with VT, have some mercy.
Come on' now. I fessed up to quitting smoking a few months ago and the battle with the belt is on going.
Man, this is going to be one tough weekend!!!!
But, I still love ya!!!!
longhorn said:
Hi Linda! I dont add any water to the juices. I'd come close, but not quite, to covering the brisket with liquid, but if the package juices arent enough to do that, I would use beer :) You could use ckn broth too, but the alcohol cooks out of the beer. I guess you could also use a dry white like Reisling (sp?) but I like beer :) Seems somehow more Cherman as we say out here.
I roast it covered all the way, at about 350. But I cover a "granite" roaster with it's own loose fitting lid, not tightly with foil. You dont want it to steam, you want it to roast. If you think it is getting too done or done too quickly, you could "tent" it loosely with foil if you dont have a lid.
And... (best julia child voice) "Dont worry dear, you are always alone in the kitchen". heheheheheheh
I roast it covered all the way, at about 350. But I cover a "granite" roaster with it's own loose fitting lid, not tightly with foil. You dont want it to steam, you want it to roast. If you think it is getting too done or done too quickly, you could "tent" it loosely with foil if you dont have a lid.
And... (best julia child voice) "Dont worry dear, you are always alone in the kitchen". heheheheheheh
longhorn said:
HA CLARK!!!!!!!
I guess that means you dont want to know about my fluffy biscuits and rich gravy made with locally ground pan sausage and HEAVY CREAM? Served with fried potatoes and perfectly fried eggs over easy? ;)
(shrugs) OK...
I guess that means you dont want to know about my fluffy biscuits and rich gravy made with locally ground pan sausage and HEAVY CREAM? Served with fried potatoes and perfectly fried eggs over easy? ;)
(shrugs) OK...
g said:
Damm! Listening to all this foooood talk caused me to start gnawing on my key board, and now I can't........
(Disconnected)
(Disconnected)
longhorn said:
Oh, and Linda, if you really want to kick it up a notch? Add some thick, unpealed apple slices when you add the cabbage.
WSClark said:
Well folks, I just got back from Dillon's!
Corned beef brisket on sale - paid $4.17 for 3 1/2 pounds of brisket. Paid $0.39 per pound for cabbage. Bought carrots, onions and potatoes and the total barely made ten bucks.
Tomorrow is going to be a great day. A couple of Harp's and maybe a Black and Tan.
A little Chieftans on the CD player. Van Morrison and Celtic Heart.
Damn, it's good to be Irish.
.... and yes, I do want to hear about your Bicuits and Gravy, Farm Grrl, but we'll only discuss it in person - with a cup of strong black coffee - and a fork in my hand.....
Yeah, and I am going to take your advice and toss on some apple slices!!!!
Corned beef brisket on sale - paid $4.17 for 3 1/2 pounds of brisket. Paid $0.39 per pound for cabbage. Bought carrots, onions and potatoes and the total barely made ten bucks.
Tomorrow is going to be a great day. A couple of Harp's and maybe a Black and Tan.
A little Chieftans on the CD player. Van Morrison and Celtic Heart.
Damn, it's good to be Irish.
.... and yes, I do want to hear about your Bicuits and Gravy, Farm Grrl, but we'll only discuss it in person - with a cup of strong black coffee - and a fork in my hand.....
Yeah, and I am going to take your advice and toss on some apple slices!!!!
lindainks55 said:
I have beer, I have apples.
Damn! Does life get any better!?
There is college basketball on television almost non-stop.
I have a friend who just happens to know how to cook and is willing to share.
Damn! Does life get any better!?
There is college basketball on television almost non-stop.
I have a friend who just happens to know how to cook and is willing to share.
longhorn said:
Aw shucks, I'm blushing :)
I do love to cook so feel free to ask. I once wrote a six page email that my friends now laughingly call The Barbeque Manifesto!
Hey, one of my joisey pals wanted to know how to bbq. It is a long haul to explain, starting with "how to build a wood fire". heheheheh.
SO feel free to ask for the SHORT version of things.
I do love to cook so feel free to ask. I once wrote a six page email that my friends now laughingly call The Barbeque Manifesto!
Hey, one of my joisey pals wanted to know how to bbq. It is a long haul to explain, starting with "how to build a wood fire". heheheheh.
SO feel free to ask for the SHORT version of things.
WSClark said:
Damn, you are a funny girl, Linda Inks!!! I am getting excited about cooking tomorrow and I just bought the groceries today. There is only on thing in the world I enjoy more than cooking and I get into THAT right now.
Not only am I going to get to do some serious cooking tomorrow, but today I got to spend the afternoon in the sun with my granddaughter, playing ball so life is really good.
We have this brand new HD TV so B'Ball is absolutely fantastic. The beer is cool and the sun is warm so life could not get any better.
I can't wait to see Michigan get to the Final Four in the Tourney.
What's that you say???
Michigan lost in the Second Round?
Of the NIT????
Damn, I knew something had to spoil this moment of Zen.
Not only am I going to get to do some serious cooking tomorrow, but today I got to spend the afternoon in the sun with my granddaughter, playing ball so life is really good.
We have this brand new HD TV so B'Ball is absolutely fantastic. The beer is cool and the sun is warm so life could not get any better.
I can't wait to see Michigan get to the Final Four in the Tourney.
What's that you say???
Michigan lost in the Second Round?
Of the NIT????
Damn, I knew something had to spoil this moment of Zen.
WSClark said:
Here's a thought - can we get David Gregory as a full time replacement for Chris Matthews on Hardball? He is doing a much better job that Matthews ever did. I have to admit that Chris was doing much better lately, but Gregory is a far better interviewer in my view.
BTW - Why is Gregory interviewing a Pub who had his suit made out of his office drapes? Who is this Rivkin fellow and why does he look so constipated?
And, damn, he needs to invest in a new suit. That one he is wearing would not have passed muster in the Sixties.
BTW - Why is Gregory interviewing a Pub who had his suit made out of his office drapes? Who is this Rivkin fellow and why does he look so constipated?
And, damn, he needs to invest in a new suit. That one he is wearing would not have passed muster in the Sixties.
lindainks55 said:
It was a one-eyed, one-horned, flyin' purple people eater, (One-eyed, one-horned, flyin' purple people eater)A one-eyed one-horned, flyin' purple people eater
Sure looks strange to me. (One eye?)
Sure looks strange to me. (One eye?)
gster said:
Longhorn- This bud's for you--
Courtesy of my neighbor:
A chicken and an egg are lying in bed. The chicken is leaning against
the headboard smoking a cigarette, with a satisfied smile on its face.
The egg, looking a bit pissed off, grabs the sheet, rolls over, and
says, "Well, I guess we finally answered THAT question."
If anyone needs it explained - read it a second time.
Courtesy of my neighbor:
A chicken and an egg are lying in bed. The chicken is leaning against
the headboard smoking a cigarette, with a satisfied smile on its face.
The egg, looking a bit pissed off, grabs the sheet, rolls over, and
says, "Well, I guess we finally answered THAT question."
If anyone needs it explained - read it a second time.
Predestined said:
I see I'm finally on the correct day. And the notifications are fixed! Must be why I haven't received anything most of the day.
longhorn, I'm adopted, too. Out of Wichita. German Russian family on birthmother's side (Out of Garden City or near there.) Or is that Russian Germans? I forget. Definitely Catholic, as my bmother was the next to youngest of 14.
I like the code names and code answers! Reminds me of the of the Republican Chat Room Rules. And all of us posting under 1 name would certainly confuse the hell out of them--as if they aren't already confused. They all sound great, CF! Good work!
My #2 daughter and her hubby took my youngest and I (along with oldest and her hubby) to Kobe tonight. I am STUFFED with good food, and all the food talk here is making me a tad nauseous. I'll have to wait until this meal settles to pay closer attention. There's steak left for me in the fridge from earlier...
I intend to stay off brand X until the Day of Fools. I'm crazy enough to try to maintain both here and there.
I emailed Hank about Nathan late last night, but never did hear anything back. I used the email addy he used after I told him I was disappointed in his bigotted statement one time. Perhaps he didn't get this new one. If he didn't, his bad luck, not mine.
I'll check back later. Gotta get out of these "good" and not so comfortable clothes. Both granddaughters are here for a sleepover tonight. Somebody here is crazy, and it isn't me.
longhorn, I'm adopted, too. Out of Wichita. German Russian family on birthmother's side (Out of Garden City or near there.) Or is that Russian Germans? I forget. Definitely Catholic, as my bmother was the next to youngest of 14.
I like the code names and code answers! Reminds me of the of the Republican Chat Room Rules. And all of us posting under 1 name would certainly confuse the hell out of them--as if they aren't already confused. They all sound great, CF! Good work!
My #2 daughter and her hubby took my youngest and I (along with oldest and her hubby) to Kobe tonight. I am STUFFED with good food, and all the food talk here is making me a tad nauseous. I'll have to wait until this meal settles to pay closer attention. There's steak left for me in the fridge from earlier...
I intend to stay off brand X until the Day of Fools. I'm crazy enough to try to maintain both here and there.
I emailed Hank about Nathan late last night, but never did hear anything back. I used the email addy he used after I told him I was disappointed in his bigotted statement one time. Perhaps he didn't get this new one. If he didn't, his bad luck, not mine.
I'll check back later. Gotta get out of these "good" and not so comfortable clothes. Both granddaughters are here for a sleepover tonight. Somebody here is crazy, and it isn't me.
WSClark said:
I would ask, plead with, anyone that is considering going back to WE Blog at the end of the month to seriously reconsider that choice.
We lost the battle with the WE Blog Editors. They took the easy way out and blamed the problem on Typepad and Kansas.com and the weather and Alberto Gonzalez and Joe Wilson.
That is nonsense. It is EASY to check IP addy's and ban one or two or three. Last year, they accindently banned MY IP addy rather than the poster that was trolling me. WE Blog Editors failed to resolve the issue. I took care of it through Typepad.
Anyway, I am convinced that we can make a home for more reasonable bloggers here on WV. Your nic is protected and that means a lot. Futhermore, I am sure that the hosts here will be much more reasonable in dealing with racist and homophobic posters.
Rather than make April 1 a day to return, let's make it a day to invite the reasonable bloggers from WE to join us in an open and respectful forum.
Let's give this a chance. WE Blog is not going to change nor are they going to be receptive to input from the bloggers. Our hosts have been magnificent in responding to us. Let's give them the respect that they deserve.
To leave and return to WE Blog on April 1 would be unfair to our current hosts and would only legitimize the tactics of Khan, GSher, Fleet, SOB, JM and Golf Nut.
Let's stay with this TOGETHER. Let's show some solidarity. Let's collectively reject the environment of WE Blog and move on to better things.
We can do this!!!
Let's do it right - together.
BTW - Republican/khan wants to get J R banned - like he wanted to get me banned for "junking up" the thread.
We lost the battle with the WE Blog Editors. They took the easy way out and blamed the problem on Typepad and Kansas.com and the weather and Alberto Gonzalez and Joe Wilson.
That is nonsense. It is EASY to check IP addy's and ban one or two or three. Last year, they accindently banned MY IP addy rather than the poster that was trolling me. WE Blog Editors failed to resolve the issue. I took care of it through Typepad.
Anyway, I am convinced that we can make a home for more reasonable bloggers here on WV. Your nic is protected and that means a lot. Futhermore, I am sure that the hosts here will be much more reasonable in dealing with racist and homophobic posters.
Rather than make April 1 a day to return, let's make it a day to invite the reasonable bloggers from WE to join us in an open and respectful forum.
Let's give this a chance. WE Blog is not going to change nor are they going to be receptive to input from the bloggers. Our hosts have been magnificent in responding to us. Let's give them the respect that they deserve.
To leave and return to WE Blog on April 1 would be unfair to our current hosts and would only legitimize the tactics of Khan, GSher, Fleet, SOB, JM and Golf Nut.
Let's stay with this TOGETHER. Let's show some solidarity. Let's collectively reject the environment of WE Blog and move on to better things.
We can do this!!!
Let's do it right - together.
BTW - Republican/khan wants to get J R banned - like he wanted to get me banned for "junking up" the thread.
darwinsdisciple said:
From an old album: Radio Dinner (a National Lampoon, first) - "I am ready for my bootheals to be wandering." [an obvious rip-off of the Bobby Zimmermann]
Sorry for the silliness - It is my birthday after all - so I am entitled.
Agreed, that I like it here. Agree with the idea of staying together.
I have failed J R. I will do what I can.
Sorry for the silliness - It is my birthday after all - so I am entitled.
Agreed, that I like it here. Agree with the idea of staying together.
I have failed J R. I will do what I can.
Predestined said:
Will, why can't I do both? So now you're telling me that if I go back I'm wrong? I'll have to give this more thought. Maybe I just want to have some wicked fun. I don't know.
I was going to tell everyone that on Tuesday, when the Real Time transcript goes up for tonight's show, be sure to read the last of it. Bill's NEW RULES ended with a hard hit. I'll make a note to myself to remind me to post just that much here, but Tuesday is a long way down the road and my memory is short, even with a note.
longhorn, did you see tonight's show?
I was going to tell everyone that on Tuesday, when the Real Time transcript goes up for tonight's show, be sure to read the last of it. Bill's NEW RULES ended with a hard hit. I'll make a note to myself to remind me to post just that much here, but Tuesday is a long way down the road and my memory is short, even with a note.
longhorn, did you see tonight's show?
WSClark said:
"So now you're telling me that if I go back I'm wrong?"
Not in the least. No. Negative. No chance.
But what I am saying is that the WE Blog Editors have chosen to blow us off. The right wingers are already claiming victory because "new" liberals have shown up on the blog. They are actively beating down and even threatening liberals. The new "king" of the blog is the self-appointed "Republican."
I would never presume to tell anyone what to do in. It would be presumptious of me to even say that it is your choice.
I my view, going back will be seen as a victory by the right wing, nothing will change and the left will still be subject to attacks on their patriotism, nic-switching wingnuts and trolling.
If we are united on this blog, we can invite those of a differing politcal opinions and still maintain a civil blog atmosphere.
For some obvious reasons, I have a notorious reputation on WE Blog, however, much of that stems from my initial experiences on the blog. I was seriously disturbed by the stalking of P Mom by KSGolfnut and the direct attacks on my patriotism by Fleetwood.
After those incidents, the right wingers jumped on me with both feet. Given my nature, I fought back. Being smarter than most (all) of the wingnuts, my retorts were more telling than their attacks on me. When it comes to verbal fisticuffs, I do not lose.
That having been said, I much prefer to discuss issues with civility and intelligence. Believe it or not, I am a nice, polite person with a great sense of chivalry (sorry I am 54) and decency.
In a perfect world, the liberals, progressive, true conservatives and moderates would move over to WV Blog and leave WE Blog to the reich wing attack artists like Fleet, Nut and Khan/JM.
All I am asking is that we all consider leaving WE Blog behind and making this our home.
Give it a chance.
Not in the least. No. Negative. No chance.
But what I am saying is that the WE Blog Editors have chosen to blow us off. The right wingers are already claiming victory because "new" liberals have shown up on the blog. They are actively beating down and even threatening liberals. The new "king" of the blog is the self-appointed "Republican."
I would never presume to tell anyone what to do in. It would be presumptious of me to even say that it is your choice.
I my view, going back will be seen as a victory by the right wing, nothing will change and the left will still be subject to attacks on their patriotism, nic-switching wingnuts and trolling.
If we are united on this blog, we can invite those of a differing politcal opinions and still maintain a civil blog atmosphere.
For some obvious reasons, I have a notorious reputation on WE Blog, however, much of that stems from my initial experiences on the blog. I was seriously disturbed by the stalking of P Mom by KSGolfnut and the direct attacks on my patriotism by Fleetwood.
After those incidents, the right wingers jumped on me with both feet. Given my nature, I fought back. Being smarter than most (all) of the wingnuts, my retorts were more telling than their attacks on me. When it comes to verbal fisticuffs, I do not lose.
That having been said, I much prefer to discuss issues with civility and intelligence. Believe it or not, I am a nice, polite person with a great sense of chivalry (sorry I am 54) and decency.
In a perfect world, the liberals, progressive, true conservatives and moderates would move over to WV Blog and leave WE Blog to the reich wing attack artists like Fleet, Nut and Khan/JM.
All I am asking is that we all consider leaving WE Blog behind and making this our home.
Give it a chance.
WSClark said:
Okay, Darwin, cough it up - how old are you?
Regardless, Happy Birthday and many, many more to you!!!
As Bob said, "May the Good Lord be with you, everywhere you roam."
Regardless, Happy Birthday and many, many more to you!!!
As Bob said, "May the Good Lord be with you, everywhere you roam."
Predestined said:
Yes, Happy B-day, DD!!
Sorry, Will, I'm touchy tonight, I guess.
I'd still like to at least get their goat by pulling one over on them before leaving for good. *evil grin*
It's just that I disagree that it all should be dumped on the eds' heads. they're doing their job, just like the rest of us do, and they don't get to make the decisions. blame the owners. Maybe it is best to just let them have their CONS and lower numbers. Then again, I'm feeling mean tonight. Must be all that beef I ate. *wink*
Sorry, Will, I'm touchy tonight, I guess.
I'd still like to at least get their goat by pulling one over on them before leaving for good. *evil grin*
It's just that I disagree that it all should be dumped on the eds' heads. they're doing their job, just like the rest of us do, and they don't get to make the decisions. blame the owners. Maybe it is best to just let them have their CONS and lower numbers. Then again, I'm feeling mean tonight. Must be all that beef I ate. *wink*
darwinsdisciple said:
Photos and some info about me and what I do:
http://refugeesfromtheweblogasylum.blogspot.com/
More to come...
http://refugeesfromtheweblogasylum.blogspot.com/
More to come...
WSClark said:
Age is 53 - a very good birthday to ignore, if you ask me...
Dang, Dar, you're just a mere child. I'll be 55 in June. Now that's old!!!!
Actually, I am feeling old because my youngest, my son just turned twenty (ouch) and he can beat me up. Really, he doesn't beat me up, he just wraps his arms around me and PICKS me up until I scream at him to let me go.
How humiliating is that?
Dang, Dar, you're just a mere child. I'll be 55 in June. Now that's old!!!!
Actually, I am feeling old because my youngest, my son just turned twenty (ouch) and he can beat me up. Really, he doesn't beat me up, he just wraps his arms around me and PICKS me up until I scream at him to let me go.
How humiliating is that?
WSClark said:
Hey, Dar, I went to your site. Cool stuff. Good pic.
Funny, I dyed my beard white just like you.
Anyway, that's MY story and I am sticking to it.
Funny, I dyed my beard white just like you.
Anyway, that's MY story and I am sticking to it.
TRACY said:
Thanks to the owners for getting the autoreply function fixed. My inbox was extremely tired.
WSC, I choose to let the wingers own weblog.
Seeing that it has become a society of lies, dirty tricks, uncalled for hatred, etc., who wants to 'win'?
What a hollow victory,
if those things are the spoils of the fight.
I'm not discouraging anybody from going there,
I'm only stating my own views on this.
I have gone cold turkey, deleted my weblog link, and have not been back.
WSC, I choose to let the wingers own weblog.
Seeing that it has become a society of lies, dirty tricks, uncalled for hatred, etc., who wants to 'win'?
What a hollow victory,
if those things are the spoils of the fight.
I'm not discouraging anybody from going there,
I'm only stating my own views on this.
I have gone cold turkey, deleted my weblog link, and have not been back.
TRACY said:
And don't let any of the yucking it up over there fool anyone.
They are VERY angry (the cons, wingers) that we left in mass.
They are VERY angry (the cons, wingers) that we left in mass.
lindainks55 said:
I found a brand-new (to me) word! I really like this word and what it stands for. In case it might be new to you too here is what wiki says about UBUNTU. I think it describes "us."
ubuntu (ideology)
* "Humanity towards others"
* "I am because we are"
* "I am what I am because of what we all are"
* "A person 'becomes human' through other persons"
* "A person is a person because of other persons"
A popular definition of ubuntu is, "the belief in a universal bond of sharing that connects all humanity.
A person with ubuntu is open and available to others, affirming of others, does not feel threatened that others are able and good, for he or she has a proper self-assurance that comes from knowing that he or she belongs in a greater whole and is diminished when others are humiliated or diminished, when others are tortured or oppressed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(ideology)
ubuntu (ideology)
* "Humanity towards others"
* "I am because we are"
* "I am what I am because of what we all are"
* "A person 'becomes human' through other persons"
* "A person is a person because of other persons"
A popular definition of ubuntu is, "the belief in a universal bond of sharing that connects all humanity.
A person with ubuntu is open and available to others, affirming of others, does not feel threatened that others are able and good, for he or she has a proper self-assurance that comes from knowing that he or she belongs in a greater whole and is diminished when others are humiliated or diminished, when others are tortured or oppressed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(ideology)
longhorn said:
Happy Bday a day late, DD. Somehow being a day late just fits me....
Linda and Tracy, and anyone else, are you familiar with the "100th Monkey" story? I'm not sure I can tell it exactly, but it lends credence to what you are saying.
Bill Hicks also had a great bit about it and it is imortalized in "A Ride is Just A Ride". I dont know if it is widely available on DVD, but it used to be shown on cable in Austin all the time.
I do believe that we are all interconnected. Like Garth Brooks says in "We Shall Be Free". Jeebus, I need more coffee if I am going from John Prine and Bobby Bare to Garth!
I'm glad today that I am connected to you guys!!!!!
Linda and Tracy, and anyone else, are you familiar with the "100th Monkey" story? I'm not sure I can tell it exactly, but it lends credence to what you are saying.
Bill Hicks also had a great bit about it and it is imortalized in "A Ride is Just A Ride". I dont know if it is widely available on DVD, but it used to be shown on cable in Austin all the time.
I do believe that we are all interconnected. Like Garth Brooks says in "We Shall Be Free". Jeebus, I need more coffee if I am going from John Prine and Bobby Bare to Garth!
I'm glad today that I am connected to you guys!!!!!
TRACY said:
Morning longhorny.....
I hate to dissapear now, but mom's brother-n-law in coffeyville is being buried today.
Gotta take her and pa to the funeral and do the pall bearer routine.
Sometimes it sucks being grown up.
See ya'll monday.
I hate to dissapear now, but mom's brother-n-law in coffeyville is being buried today.
Gotta take her and pa to the funeral and do the pall bearer routine.
Sometimes it sucks being grown up.
See ya'll monday.
longhorn said:
Aw, I'm sorry Tracy. I still say you are a good man for taking care of ALL of your family.
You know you are getting old when all of your uncles and all of your cousins are too OLD to be pallbearers and ya gotta go to the next generation or outside the family!
You know you are getting old when all of your uncles and all of your cousins are too OLD to be pallbearers and ya gotta go to the next generation or outside the family!
longhorn said:
Wow, the Rude One is on a ROLL about KKKarl Rove. Heheheheheheheh. Bad language, so dont click if you are easily offended.
http://www.rudepundit.blogspot.com/
http://www.rudepundit.blogspot.com/
Vaughn Tolle said:
Ubuntu; the name of the Linux distro I use. The name fits it, and the community involved with its maintenance, and I daresay fits what is going on here. While I have posted at the other place, and may contiunue to so do intermittently, my goal is to discontinue and stay here. Just cannot let the misstatements of law stand "over there".
longhorn said:
I know how ya feel VT. It's killing me not to respond to Randy's editorial about water. But, I'm good at solidarity, despite my obviously independent streak!
I think, as CF noted above, that if and when we go back, that if we work together and use a strategy, we can really send them into a spin before some of us leave for good.
I keep sayin' I like it here. The only thing we are missing is more traffic. I really dont like being the constant talker here :) but I do think we need to keep this thing going.
Like Little Richard says on the Geico commercial
"Somebody help me!" heheheheheehehehehehehehehhehe
I know everybody is busy with their newfound productivity :) I'm busy too. Avoiding work!
I think, as CF noted above, that if and when we go back, that if we work together and use a strategy, we can really send them into a spin before some of us leave for good.
I keep sayin' I like it here. The only thing we are missing is more traffic. I really dont like being the constant talker here :) but I do think we need to keep this thing going.
Like Little Richard says on the Geico commercial
"Somebody help me!" heheheheheehehehehehehehehhehe
I know everybody is busy with their newfound productivity :) I'm busy too. Avoiding work!
lindainks55 said:
I think I might be the most wonderful cook any of you have ever met! From the smells I'm making this asumption. I'll let you know later. A "little bird" told me to get out the granite roaster and put a corned beef with some garlic, onion, pepper flakes -- all covered over with beer -- into the oven. I've cored a cabbage and an apple and have thick slices ready to add along with some red potatoes (wish they were smaller but..)
lol
longhorn, I thank you MUCH!
I'm planning to have this ready not long after Wayne (hubby) gets home from the golf game and I'm not planning to cook again today! Looks like plenty and I have some rye bread, sauerkraut, spicy mustard and thousand island dressing (seems that is a preference??), and swiss cheese so maybe we can make this a weekend meal.
I need to do some work in the yard. I finished cutting off some ornamental grass and found it was already greening under last year's dead growth so I really need to get busy cleaning up after ole' man winter. I cleaned leaves overanoverandover last fall but I have all the leaves from all the neighbors who didn't bother gathered in my flower beds and under bushes... Do spring cleanup and fall cleanup get closer and closer each year!?
We are seriously thinking of down sizing. Our kids and their kids are way against this thought, but if they want us to stay they best get over here and help in this big yard!
lol
longhorn, I thank you MUCH!
I'm planning to have this ready not long after Wayne (hubby) gets home from the golf game and I'm not planning to cook again today! Looks like plenty and I have some rye bread, sauerkraut, spicy mustard and thousand island dressing (seems that is a preference??), and swiss cheese so maybe we can make this a weekend meal.
I need to do some work in the yard. I finished cutting off some ornamental grass and found it was already greening under last year's dead growth so I really need to get busy cleaning up after ole' man winter. I cleaned leaves overanoverandover last fall but I have all the leaves from all the neighbors who didn't bother gathered in my flower beds and under bushes... Do spring cleanup and fall cleanup get closer and closer each year!?
We are seriously thinking of down sizing. Our kids and their kids are way against this thought, but if they want us to stay they best get over here and help in this big yard!
Vaughn Tolle said:
Linda, FWIW, downsize; your lineal descendants just want to keep things "as they are" or as they recall, and won't be over to help with the yard on any regular basis. Believe me, they'll get over it.
We just went through this with my mother; best thing that she has done for herself. Yes, there is one sibling nursing a bit of a grudge; but she wasn't there too often to help with the drudge work, and the rest of us, who were helping out with this on quite a regular basis, now have more time to spend with HER, rather than her yard, etc.
We just went through this with my mother; best thing that she has done for herself. Yes, there is one sibling nursing a bit of a grudge; but she wasn't there too often to help with the drudge work, and the rest of us, who were helping out with this on quite a regular basis, now have more time to spend with HER, rather than her yard, etc.
longhorn said:
HA! Linda, or Clark, if you check back in, I would put the apple slices in about 20 minutes before all is done. Depending on the apple and how done you want them, check after 10 minutes or so.
I was mistaken when I said an hour yesterday.
And VT, funny how as time goes on, our property owns us instead of us owning our property? If only all it took to recreat the good ol' days was a little property preservation...
I was mistaken when I said an hour yesterday.
And VT, funny how as time goes on, our property owns us instead of us owning our property? If only all it took to recreat the good ol' days was a little property preservation...
darwinsdisciple said:
Thank you for the birthday wishes.
I looked over at the other place. I think I should refrain from going there - it is too tempting to inject a small bit of truth there. My latest temptation was Paul Rossell insisting that Clinton took the U.S. out of the Kyoto agreement. Shaking my head...
If you read factual accounts, Clinton did not like the stringency of Kyoto, but kept our negoiators at work with the rest of the world in hopes of hammering out an agreement that was not so draconian. Bush signalled he would pull out, the rest of the nations figured he was not serious about global warming, forged ahead and came up with targets that were not as high as orignially considered. A reasonable agreement without U.S. participation. Just like almost everything else, Bush handled this deal exactly wrong. Have we forever given up our role as a leader in the world? We have at least for two more years, I fear.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,168701,00.html
I looked over at the other place. I think I should refrain from going there - it is too tempting to inject a small bit of truth there. My latest temptation was Paul Rossell insisting that Clinton took the U.S. out of the Kyoto agreement. Shaking my head...
If you read factual accounts, Clinton did not like the stringency of Kyoto, but kept our negoiators at work with the rest of the world in hopes of hammering out an agreement that was not so draconian. Bush signalled he would pull out, the rest of the nations figured he was not serious about global warming, forged ahead and came up with targets that were not as high as orignially considered. A reasonable agreement without U.S. participation. Just like almost everything else, Bush handled this deal exactly wrong. Have we forever given up our role as a leader in the world? We have at least for two more years, I fear.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,168701,00.html
CF said:
OK. Time for an old, old St. Paddy's Day chestnut.
Q: What's the difference between an Irish wedding and an Irish funeral?
A: One less drunk.
Q: What's the difference between an Irish wedding and an Irish funeral?
A: One less drunk.
WSClark said:
Good God, what a beautiful day!!! This is almost too good to be true. I walked over to the store to pick up a couple of things (why does a couple of things cost $45?) and I could not believe the weather. Gorgeous!!!
A few random thoughts.......
To my friend Tracy, take care young man. I wish you and your family well in this time of difficulty.
To my friend Farm Grrl, that was a very sweet note you sent to Dub-Dog - very nice. You should be commended.
To that newly old guy, Darwin, I hope your b'day was everything you had hoped it would be. If you start feeling old, put Inna Gadda Da Vida on the player, crank up the jams and alternately play air guitar and air drums. You will begin to feel younger in no time.
To that fine old lady, Linda Inks, it most certainly sounds like you have the Mojo going today. Enjoy your yard and your cooking. We can compare notes tomorrow - and determine bragging rights for us amatuers.
To an equally fine lady, Pre, hang with us lousy liberal losers (ha!) and we can work through this together.
To VT and others that I may have missed - have a great day and enjoy this wonderful weather and the great B'Ball games on the tube.
Y'all have a great day - I'll be back later!!!
And one more thing, for any Reich Wingers from WE Blog that may be lurking about.....
Sucks to be you!
A few random thoughts.......
To my friend Tracy, take care young man. I wish you and your family well in this time of difficulty.
To my friend Farm Grrl, that was a very sweet note you sent to Dub-Dog - very nice. You should be commended.
To that newly old guy, Darwin, I hope your b'day was everything you had hoped it would be. If you start feeling old, put Inna Gadda Da Vida on the player, crank up the jams and alternately play air guitar and air drums. You will begin to feel younger in no time.
To that fine old lady, Linda Inks, it most certainly sounds like you have the Mojo going today. Enjoy your yard and your cooking. We can compare notes tomorrow - and determine bragging rights for us amatuers.
To an equally fine lady, Pre, hang with us lousy liberal losers (ha!) and we can work through this together.
To VT and others that I may have missed - have a great day and enjoy this wonderful weather and the great B'Ball games on the tube.
Y'all have a great day - I'll be back later!!!
And one more thing, for any Reich Wingers from WE Blog that may be lurking about.....
Sucks to be you!
lindainks55 said:
Will,
Since we both used the same terrific recipe I will give you we may have both enjoyed excellent corned beef and cabbage. You won't best me this time!
It was good! The corned beef was very tender, very tasty, and same for the cabbage. The potatoes could have used some gravy. Those juices left were very salty and I didn't have any heavy cream (like WE need to stock that!) so I didn't have gravy. The apples (I got the new cooking times) were sweet and added the perfect taste to the meal.
Ah, it is a good day.
Since we both used the same terrific recipe I will give you we may have both enjoyed excellent corned beef and cabbage. You won't best me this time!
It was good! The corned beef was very tender, very tasty, and same for the cabbage. The potatoes could have used some gravy. Those juices left were very salty and I didn't have any heavy cream (like WE need to stock that!) so I didn't have gravy. The apples (I got the new cooking times) were sweet and added the perfect taste to the meal.
Ah, it is a good day.
WSClark said:
This is well worth a read - from a journalist that I have great respect for - Eleanor Cliff......
Hardened Hearts: A chat with an Iraqi journalist shows how hard it will be to win this war.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17647250/site/newsweek...
Hardened Hearts: A chat with an Iraqi journalist shows how hard it will be to win this war.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17647250/site/newsweek...
WSClark said:
Wel, Linda Inks, I am glad that yours came out well. My son works midnight shift, going in about 11:00 PM, so we usually have dinner about nine. I just popped my into the oven a few minutes ago. Already, it smells delicious.
I am going to make my potatoes in a seperate pot, since my son is a bit picky, but I have filled the roaster with onions, carrots and beer. I have to admit that I hated to fill the pot with good (drinkable) beer, so I bought a 32 oz of Miller High Life to add to the beef. God, am I a cheap bastard or what?
I am going to be adding the cabbage in a few hours along with the apples. I wimped out and BOUGHT a loaf of good quality rye bread rather than bake my own, like I would have a clue how to bake bread.
Damn, this has been a great day. My house is already clean. The freakin' cats are sleeping as is my son. The laundry is already done and I am just chillin' with a cold one and groovin' on some damned good b'ball. I just love March Madness. I am watching Louisville and A & M right now. Being originally from Kentucky, I am most definitely rooting for the Cardinal.
Have a good one!!!!!
I am going to make my potatoes in a seperate pot, since my son is a bit picky, but I have filled the roaster with onions, carrots and beer. I have to admit that I hated to fill the pot with good (drinkable) beer, so I bought a 32 oz of Miller High Life to add to the beef. God, am I a cheap bastard or what?
I am going to be adding the cabbage in a few hours along with the apples. I wimped out and BOUGHT a loaf of good quality rye bread rather than bake my own, like I would have a clue how to bake bread.
Damn, this has been a great day. My house is already clean. The freakin' cats are sleeping as is my son. The laundry is already done and I am just chillin' with a cold one and groovin' on some damned good b'ball. I just love March Madness. I am watching Louisville and A & M right now. Being originally from Kentucky, I am most definitely rooting for the Cardinal.
Have a good one!!!!!
lindainks55 said:
I wasn't going to say anything. I usually root for Big XII teams unless they're playing KU. Something about hoping the teams in the conference do well and it makes the conference look strong, ya know. But I am sorry your team lost. Being a KU fan for so many years I know what it feels like when your team loses in the NCAA tournament.
Oh, and when you walked to the store earlier and got a couple of things -- both that it cost $45 AND we're able to carry $45 worth of groceries easily is just sad, isn't it!?
But not as sad as that article you posted the click for.
Oh, and when you walked to the store earlier and got a couple of things -- both that it cost $45 AND we're able to carry $45 worth of groceries easily is just sad, isn't it!?
But not as sad as that article you posted the click for.
longhorn said:
Sorry about the juices Linda. I use cream in my coffee so I always have it here. And I look like it too :) I just put butter on my potatoes when I eat them if I dont have gravy. I'm sure glad the rest turned out well.
If you didnt eat all the taters, they'd be good tomorrow morning chopped and browned in butter and scrambled with eggs and chopped corned beef.
Then the reubens in the evening of course! It's a good weekend to be Irish.
If you didnt eat all the taters, they'd be good tomorrow morning chopped and browned in butter and scrambled with eggs and chopped corned beef.
Then the reubens in the evening of course! It's a good weekend to be Irish.
Julie said:
I'm holding off until this week to do the corned beef. Just me and the girls this weekend. But the recipe sounds delish (I love that word). But since both girls are still napping I do have a cold one sitting next to me. :)
I miss my Grandmother's corned beef hash. She's almost 90 and between her age and Alzheimer's her kids won't let her in the kitchen (very good decision on their part). Damn she could cook. (and she'd wash my mouth out for cursing)
I miss my Grandmother's corned beef hash. She's almost 90 and between her age and Alzheimer's her kids won't let her in the kitchen (very good decision on their part). Damn she could cook. (and she'd wash my mouth out for cursing)
WSClark said:
There is one good thing about having a multi-cultural heritage - I can celebrate ALL the Holidays!!!!
Hey, the onions in the pot are really coming on - smells great - I checked the beef and it looks wonderful - I am going to peel and put the 'taters on in a bit - all of it is adding up to a great dinner coming up.
I have a get rich REAL DAMN quick for you all..... just bet against whatever team I am rooting for in the Tourney. So far, I have jinxed Xavier, Louisville, BC and Vanderbilt.
If you have to coin, I am going to root for Michigan State this evening, since my best friend graduated from East Lansing in the Seventies. I am also going to root for UCLA since I have hated Indiana since Knight was their Coach.
For you Kansas fans, for a small fee, I will root for Kentucky tommorow........
Hey, the onions in the pot are really coming on - smells great - I checked the beef and it looks wonderful - I am going to peel and put the 'taters on in a bit - all of it is adding up to a great dinner coming up.
I have a get rich REAL DAMN quick for you all..... just bet against whatever team I am rooting for in the Tourney. So far, I have jinxed Xavier, Louisville, BC and Vanderbilt.
If you have to coin, I am going to root for Michigan State this evening, since my best friend graduated from East Lansing in the Seventies. I am also going to root for UCLA since I have hated Indiana since Knight was their Coach.
For you Kansas fans, for a small fee, I will root for Kentucky tommorow........
darwinsdisciple said:
Jim Hightower puts out a monthly 4 page newsletter that's full of interesting info. Its called _The Hightower Lowdown_. In the March 2007 issue he lists the coporations that contributed and how much to the Dems and Repubs. The Repubs had in 2006 a decided advantage with Corporate Money - I did not calculate it, but it looks like a 10 to 1 advantage over the dems in the number of corps and amounts of cash.
If you are interested in voting with your dollars, here are some corps who gave the majority of their money to the Dems:
FOOD & BEVERAGE COMPANIES
E & J Gallo Winery
Southern Wine and Spirits
Charmer Sunbeld Group
Astrale e Terra Winery (Dems did will with wineries)
RETAIL STORES
Gap, Inc. (Gap, Old Navy, Forth & Towne)
Costco Wholesale (when can we get one in ICT?)
Barnes & Noble
RESTAURANTS
Riese Organization (own TGI Friday's)
AGRIBUSINESS
Plum Creek Hollow Farm
Flo-Sun, Inc.
Connel Company
Florida Sugar Cane League (these last 3 corps involved with sugar)
ENTERTAINMENT & LODGING
I'm going to skip the Indian casinos
H Group Holding (Hyatt, Summerfield Suites)
>>>The National Basketball Association<<< (a surprise)
If you are interested in voting with your dollars, here are some corps who gave the majority of their money to the Dems:
FOOD & BEVERAGE COMPANIES
E & J Gallo Winery
Southern Wine and Spirits
Charmer Sunbeld Group
Astrale e Terra Winery (Dems did will with wineries)
RETAIL STORES
Gap, Inc. (Gap, Old Navy, Forth & Towne)
Costco Wholesale (when can we get one in ICT?)
Barnes & Noble
RESTAURANTS
Riese Organization (own TGI Friday's)
AGRIBUSINESS
Plum Creek Hollow Farm
Flo-Sun, Inc.
Connel Company
Florida Sugar Cane League (these last 3 corps involved with sugar)
ENTERTAINMENT & LODGING
I'm going to skip the Indian casinos
H Group Holding (Hyatt, Summerfield Suites)
>>>The National Basketball Association<<< (a surprise)
WSClark said:
Okay, now I have jinxed VCU and MSU has fallen way behind NC.
Like I said, for a little spare change, I can root for the guys playing your favorite team.
I am taking bids on the Kentucky - Kansas game tomorrow.
Since everyone I root for loses, I will root for Kentucky for an acceptable price.
Like I said, for a little spare change, I can root for the guys playing your favorite team.
I am taking bids on the Kentucky - Kansas game tomorrow.
Since everyone I root for loses, I will root for Kentucky for an acceptable price.
lindainks55 said:
I would initiate a collection but I think it has to come from your heart. ('Course, I think everything should come from the heart.) I'm really serious about this basketball stuff. (lol) So, which team does your heart tell you to root for? I just know as a good, loyal, southern Kentucky boy you really want to root for them, right?
I thought it was funny that sugar companies, wine companies, Nat'l Basketball Association, throw in a good book store and a lower-cost discount house SUPPORT Democrats with their contributions. Rings true, doesn't it? That 10 to 1 advantage for the Repubs rings true too.
Basketball has been really exciting today! I can't remember when so many games went into overtime. I love the close games until KU is in one.
Need to go whip up some reubens.
I thought it was funny that sugar companies, wine companies, Nat'l Basketball Association, throw in a good book store and a lower-cost discount house SUPPORT Democrats with their contributions. Rings true, doesn't it? That 10 to 1 advantage for the Repubs rings true too.
Basketball has been really exciting today! I can't remember when so many games went into overtime. I love the close games until KU is in one.
Need to go whip up some reubens.
WSClark said:
Ahh, I was born about eighty miles south of Lexington, KY. Take Seventy-Five south out of Lexington, exit at London, turn east for about a mile, turn south on 226 for about ten or fifteen miles, stop in front of nothing, and there on the west side of the road is absolutely nothing....
.... at that is where I was born.
But I have lived in Kansas much longer than I lived in Kentucky, so my loyalties are divided....
.... and for sale.
.... at that is where I was born.
But I have lived in Kansas much longer than I lived in Kentucky, so my loyalties are divided....
.... and for sale.
lindainks55 said:
OK, I went over there -- it is slow (and really stupid), but not as slow as THIS PLACE. If we don't get some folks talking about something I will have to bore you with nothing. Now, you don't want that so IF you are reading, let us hear from you. Please.
By the way, the leprechauns are happy at the Murphy house.
Michigan State has tied up the game with N. Carolina. Maybe you're "jinx" is wearing off and not worth anything, huh!?
By the way, the leprechauns are happy at the Murphy house.
Michigan State has tied up the game with N. Carolina. Maybe you're "jinx" is wearing off and not worth anything, huh!?
lindainks55 said:
Should have been YOUR (NOT you are as a contraction) jinx. See, I can't even think and I'm posting. Worse than nothing.
WSClark said:
Well.................... MSU came back and destroyed UNC...... Whoops! Actually, they kind of blew it, but what the Hell, they were a Nine playing a One. Thye gave it a shot.
I am a little concerned that we seem to have lost a lot of our players, but then a few have given us prior notice that they were going to be off for a while.
The other Blog seems to be having there problems also, with it pretty much being Khan talking to himself. Most of the regulars on the Blog seem to have departed also. JM/Khan must be on cloud nine since he has the Blog to himself and he is the self appointed "King of the Blog." If you were to remove his posts and the replies to his, that Blog would have less than half of ours.
But you are correct, Linda Inks, if we want this to work, we must be more active and more inclusive. I would like to see some of our less liberal friends joins us.
Otherwise, what we will have accomplished is the death of TWO blogs.
And I do not think that is what we wanted to do.
I am a little concerned that we seem to have lost a lot of our players, but then a few have given us prior notice that they were going to be off for a while.
The other Blog seems to be having there problems also, with it pretty much being Khan talking to himself. Most of the regulars on the Blog seem to have departed also. JM/Khan must be on cloud nine since he has the Blog to himself and he is the self appointed "King of the Blog." If you were to remove his posts and the replies to his, that Blog would have less than half of ours.
But you are correct, Linda Inks, if we want this to work, we must be more active and more inclusive. I would like to see some of our less liberal friends joins us.
Otherwise, what we will have accomplished is the death of TWO blogs.
And I do not think that is what we wanted to do.
WSClark said:
It seems strange that on that other blog, even the regulars on the right are no longer posting. Fleet is rarely there, GSher has backed off, Nuts has posted three times in the last two weeks and several others are MIA or only make token appearances.
In my mind (a rather scary place to visit) the WE Blog hit the avalanche tipping point with the debut of GSher and RepubliKhan. GSher is a nasty old lady, but Khan is obviously someone that has spent a lot of time on WE Blog. Personally, I think Khan is Golf Nut, while most everyone else thinks he is JM. Regardless, he knew the drill from the opening bell.
It is a bit ironic, GSher and Khan have ruined WE Blog for both the left and the right.
It is too bad that the WE Blog Editors have chosen to do nothing about the issues. It could have been handled very easily. Now it looks like WE Blog is going to die. To avoid the same fate ourselves, we need to have an influx of new ideas to stimulate debate.
Let WE Blog die or become the self congratulatory home of GSher and Khan.
But we need to move on.
In my mind (a rather scary place to visit) the WE Blog hit the avalanche tipping point with the debut of GSher and RepubliKhan. GSher is a nasty old lady, but Khan is obviously someone that has spent a lot of time on WE Blog. Personally, I think Khan is Golf Nut, while most everyone else thinks he is JM. Regardless, he knew the drill from the opening bell.
It is a bit ironic, GSher and Khan have ruined WE Blog for both the left and the right.
It is too bad that the WE Blog Editors have chosen to do nothing about the issues. It could have been handled very easily. Now it looks like WE Blog is going to die. To avoid the same fate ourselves, we need to have an influx of new ideas to stimulate debate.
Let WE Blog die or become the self congratulatory home of GSher and Khan.
But we need to move on.
darwinsdisciple said:
WSC,
The republican list is a lot longer, hence my going with the short version. If you email my your snail-mail address, I will mail you the newsletter and thus let 'you' recycle it.
Visited Blog X. It is dead, creeky, and very dry over there. It really is sorta sad. I think Phillip's invite back was pretty serious. They know what is going to happen, if we are not there.
It takes a lot of time to dispute lie after lie. Blogging there is not much fun. What is the point of that, really?
Take care friends,
Steven
The republican list is a lot longer, hence my going with the short version. If you email my your snail-mail address, I will mail you the newsletter and thus let 'you' recycle it.
Visited Blog X. It is dead, creeky, and very dry over there. It really is sorta sad. I think Phillip's invite back was pretty serious. They know what is going to happen, if we are not there.
It takes a lot of time to dispute lie after lie. Blogging there is not much fun. What is the point of that, really?
Take care friends,
Steven
darwinsdisciple said:
This WE Blog Open Thread (03-17-07) has 20 posts versus the 03-10-07 Open thread which had 85. No really important difference there if you believe Republican/kahn/JM. What a laugh...
Those folk have lied to themselves for so long, they have no idea what they are talking about. Very sad.
Those folk have lied to themselves for so long, they have no idea what they are talking about. Very sad.
lindainks55 said:
Good morning world!
It's going to be a beeeutiful day in kakeland! How many years does that go back?
The war in Iraq goes into year five. I know everyone who has posted here (see that as past tense -- posted) agrees on this subject and we have said our words many times. I still think Bush told the truth (once) when he said ending the war wasn't his problem; it would be up to the next president.
I hope Wichita gets one or more of those "possibilities" of rain I saw in the forecast for next week. I've been working in my yard and it needs any and all possibilities of moisture. If we stay here we need an irrigation system or loads of cement. Vaughn, we will probably heed your excellent advice and look to move. We talked last evening and plan to find a place within the next couple of years then put this one on the market.
I found out last evening Mary Caruso (I don't know Mary, and don't know if she comes to this place) has a brother Rob who has been a coworker of my husband for many years. It really is a small world, huh?
My dog wants to go walking to the park where often I let her run off leash. The smells there are more interesting than in her own yard, don't ya know!? She probably will find some smell mail that needs a response.
Rock...Chalk...Jayhawk -- GO KU!
It's going to be a beeeutiful day in kakeland! How many years does that go back?
The war in Iraq goes into year five. I know everyone who has posted here (see that as past tense -- posted) agrees on this subject and we have said our words many times. I still think Bush told the truth (once) when he said ending the war wasn't his problem; it would be up to the next president.
I hope Wichita gets one or more of those "possibilities" of rain I saw in the forecast for next week. I've been working in my yard and it needs any and all possibilities of moisture. If we stay here we need an irrigation system or loads of cement. Vaughn, we will probably heed your excellent advice and look to move. We talked last evening and plan to find a place within the next couple of years then put this one on the market.
I found out last evening Mary Caruso (I don't know Mary, and don't know if she comes to this place) has a brother Rob who has been a coworker of my husband for many years. It really is a small world, huh?
My dog wants to go walking to the park where often I let her run off leash. The smells there are more interesting than in her own yard, don't ya know!? She probably will find some smell mail that needs a response.
Rock...Chalk...Jayhawk -- GO KU!
longhorn said:
Hey all! Sorry, I'm still busy for a few hours, but I'll be back to blogging later. Dont give up. Posts always go down over the weekend, and yesterday was a holiday. Plus, I dont know about there, but HERE, it's gonna be almost 80 and no wind, so I think lots of folks are outside.
Does anyone know Infernal B? If IB and Hard Truth were not posting and giving them someone to argue with, there would only be a handful of posts there. I agree, that khan is more likely nutz, as he is too intelligent to be JM. SOB has been gone. Maybe SOB is JM? Sounds more like the old joe blow.
And I see williams is back to posting as williams, not fleetie?
Stick together guys. I think the impact of the boycott will be greater this week than last. I totally agree though that we need topic and posts here to keep us involved.
DD, you could be right, that this will be the death of WE blog, and this blog will just fade off in the distance. The good news? WE here have control of that, and if we CHOOSE to make this our home, and get active here, it will be good. The bad news? It depends on us! heheheheeheheheheh
Linda, how were the Reubens? I wonder how Clarkie liked his meal. Not that I have any ego involved in my cooking and recipes. heheheheh. You have no idea how many cook books I have started writing, only to abandon later.
Who said "perfect is the enemy of good"?
Keep postin' guys. Keep postin'!
Does anyone know Infernal B? If IB and Hard Truth were not posting and giving them someone to argue with, there would only be a handful of posts there. I agree, that khan is more likely nutz, as he is too intelligent to be JM. SOB has been gone. Maybe SOB is JM? Sounds more like the old joe blow.
And I see williams is back to posting as williams, not fleetie?
Stick together guys. I think the impact of the boycott will be greater this week than last. I totally agree though that we need topic and posts here to keep us involved.
DD, you could be right, that this will be the death of WE blog, and this blog will just fade off in the distance. The good news? WE here have control of that, and if we CHOOSE to make this our home, and get active here, it will be good. The bad news? It depends on us! heheheheeheheheheh
Linda, how were the Reubens? I wonder how Clarkie liked his meal. Not that I have any ego involved in my cooking and recipes. heheheheh. You have no idea how many cook books I have started writing, only to abandon later.
Who said "perfect is the enemy of good"?
Keep postin' guys. Keep postin'!
longhorn said:
"She probably will find some smell mail that needs a response."
Now THAT, my dear, is funny! You have a way with words and subtle jokes. Yer good!
Now THAT, my dear, is funny! You have a way with words and subtle jokes. Yer good!
WSClark said:
Good freakin' morning to you all!!! Happy Sunday. Happy "It looks like Springtime!"
As usual, a few random thoughts........
My dinner did not turn out as well as planned, not due to the recipe, but due to the relatively poor quality of cut I bought. It was much more fatty than I had expected. Other wise, it was quite good.
In truth, I am much more of a grill/smoker type of (typical) guy, so a relative failure in the kitchen is not a real black mark. I will make CB and C again, but next time I will make sure that I buy a better cut. I have enough left for Ruebens and even I can't mess that up, especially since I hand trimmed all the fat now.
Everyday is a new day in the Tourney. Yesterday the Jinx Master was in full dream killer mode, but hopefully today is a new story.
My rooting schedule for today - if there is a team in brackets it is the one I think will win despite my rooting for the other.....
TN, Purdue (Fla), VT, WI, Memphis, Winthrop (OR), KS and TX.
I am trying to keep my mind of the fact that we are about to enter our fifth year in Iraq. It is almost beyond comprehension. It is truly a nightmare come true and it was all predicted. What really pisses me off is that I (along with millions more)was right about the potential for civil war from the beginning.
Damn, and there are still people that are defending Bush. There are still people making excuses. There are still people claiming that victory is on the horizon. Damn, there are still people saying that this Surge is working.
Don't get me started........
The weather is great today and I am probably going to take a walk to work off some of yesterday's dinner. Taking a walk makes me a bit sad, since I used to take my best buddy with me all the time. He loved to go for walks and just the sight of his leash got him fired up. It has been almost eleven months and I still miss him like it was yesterday.
Have a great day folks, I'll be back later.....
As usual, a few random thoughts........
My dinner did not turn out as well as planned, not due to the recipe, but due to the relatively poor quality of cut I bought. It was much more fatty than I had expected. Other wise, it was quite good.
In truth, I am much more of a grill/smoker type of (typical) guy, so a relative failure in the kitchen is not a real black mark. I will make CB and C again, but next time I will make sure that I buy a better cut. I have enough left for Ruebens and even I can't mess that up, especially since I hand trimmed all the fat now.
Everyday is a new day in the Tourney. Yesterday the Jinx Master was in full dream killer mode, but hopefully today is a new story.
My rooting schedule for today - if there is a team in brackets it is the one I think will win despite my rooting for the other.....
TN, Purdue (Fla), VT, WI, Memphis, Winthrop (OR), KS and TX.
I am trying to keep my mind of the fact that we are about to enter our fifth year in Iraq. It is almost beyond comprehension. It is truly a nightmare come true and it was all predicted. What really pisses me off is that I (along with millions more)was right about the potential for civil war from the beginning.
Damn, and there are still people that are defending Bush. There are still people making excuses. There are still people claiming that victory is on the horizon. Damn, there are still people saying that this Surge is working.
Don't get me started........
The weather is great today and I am probably going to take a walk to work off some of yesterday's dinner. Taking a walk makes me a bit sad, since I used to take my best buddy with me all the time. He loved to go for walks and just the sight of his leash got him fired up. It has been almost eleven months and I still miss him like it was yesterday.
Have a great day folks, I'll be back later.....
darwinsdisciple said:
The "smell mail" thing was indeed clever.
The other day, on the other blog, Linda asked about my job. I am going to send an email to her about that because I have some paranoia about my overt and covert activities being too widely disseminated. Mary Caruso knows what I do and because of her work, current and former, she knows people I have some network connections to. But it occurred to me that others here may have no idea about what I do and where I do it. This link to the first reader's letter gives a hint:
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/editorial/16...
If anybody is interested, I will send a copy of my email that I am sending to Linda. This is not as dramatic as it sounds, but being prudent is sometimes not a bad idea, and that has been driven home to me all the more by the arrival of some playmates from Salina.
Steven Davis
The other day, on the other blog, Linda asked about my job. I am going to send an email to her about that because I have some paranoia about my overt and covert activities being too widely disseminated. Mary Caruso knows what I do and because of her work, current and former, she knows people I have some network connections to. But it occurred to me that others here may have no idea about what I do and where I do it. This link to the first reader's letter gives a hint:
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/editorial/16...
If anybody is interested, I will send a copy of my email that I am sending to Linda. This is not as dramatic as it sounds, but being prudent is sometimes not a bad idea, and that has been driven home to me all the more by the arrival of some playmates from Salina.
Steven Davis
lindainks55 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-KWYYIY4jQ
You gotta watch this one -- at least part of it. Come on, trust me, it will give you a laugh.
You gotta watch this one -- at least part of it. Come on, trust me, it will give you a laugh.
lindainks55 said:
Reuben’s were greeaat! I had a well prepared corned beef as the building block and even I can't mess up things that come in a package or jar -- like cheese, thousand island dressing... I shredded the corned beef so it was kinda fluffy (I can't for the life of me come up with the right word although I know fluffy isn't) and used a very light rye cause without the seeds (store bought stuff). I grilled with butter like I was making a grilled cheese. Did I do right? If there is a better way, I still have some of all the ingredients.
The cookbooks don't get finished because you are a perfectionist... I already had that one figured out! Maybe someday when you aren't so busy using the recipes you will put them down on paper. My daughter found a site where you can have books published online -- you choose the cover, etc. and don’t need a publisher or need to print a huge quantity (ONE is ok!). If you want to know the link, I'll get if from her.
Won’t be the last time I ask for your advice on cooking!
The cookbooks don't get finished because you are a perfectionist... I already had that one figured out! Maybe someday when you aren't so busy using the recipes you will put them down on paper. My daughter found a site where you can have books published online -- you choose the cover, etc. and don’t need a publisher or need to print a huge quantity (ONE is ok!). If you want to know the link, I'll get if from her.
Won’t be the last time I ask for your advice on cooking!
WSClark said:
What a game.... TN v. VA...... Man, those boys have PASSION!!!!!
What a great sport. I just have to admire the heart these young men show, what team work, what a team attitude they show.
I read Op Line and see all of this hatred directed towards our youth. I just have one word....
BULLSHIT!!!!!
What a great sport. I just have to admire the heart these young men show, what team work, what a team attitude they show.
I read Op Line and see all of this hatred directed towards our youth. I just have one word....
BULLSHIT!!!!!
WSClark said:
Okay, one major bitch about the Tournament coverage....
If I hear "This is ooooouuuurrrrr country" from Mellencamp ONE more time, I am going to go take a bus to Indiana and go on a murderous rampage.
For one thing, the sons is an OBVIOUS rip off of "This Land is My Land" by Woody Guthrie. That is perhaps THEE greatest song in the history of Americana. Secondly, Chevrolet is NOT "ooooouuuurrrrr country."
Okay, that is my bitch, now go back to your regular programing.
BTW - TN v. VA............. what a finish. VA has no reason to hang their heads. What a game!!!!
If I hear "This is ooooouuuurrrrr country" from Mellencamp ONE more time, I am going to go take a bus to Indiana and go on a murderous rampage.
For one thing, the sons is an OBVIOUS rip off of "This Land is My Land" by Woody Guthrie. That is perhaps THEE greatest song in the history of Americana. Secondly, Chevrolet is NOT "ooooouuuurrrrr country."
Okay, that is my bitch, now go back to your regular programing.
BTW - TN v. VA............. what a finish. VA has no reason to hang their heads. What a game!!!!
Predestined said:
I haven't had a real Reuben sandwich since 1999 in Chicago at an Irish pub. It was so delish (yes, a perfect word!) that I doubt any other would beat it. Hard to believe that was almost 8 years ago. Time doesn't fly, it zooms.
A quick read-through of the open thread at blogX proved that the right is still slinging mud, evidenced by GS (or maybe republican) posting to infernal B as INfernal. Don't know what that's all about. Probably nothing more than a little jab to see if there's a response, and then the real insults can start again.
HAS anyone here posted there, except regarding Nathan's return?
One more thing about there, and I'll cease and desist. Hank has rabidly been against everything Fitzgerald. Perhaps Hankie doesn't know that Fitzy is a Republican. And so, I believe, is Joe Wilson (of Wilson/Plame fame). I sure wish I had all my old links so I could prove both. Not having them puts me at a disadvantage, because I just can't take the time to search for them.
Oh, well, have a good one today, all. I'll be back later, when I get some things accomplished. :)
A quick read-through of the open thread at blogX proved that the right is still slinging mud, evidenced by GS (or maybe republican) posting to infernal B as INfernal. Don't know what that's all about. Probably nothing more than a little jab to see if there's a response, and then the real insults can start again.
HAS anyone here posted there, except regarding Nathan's return?
One more thing about there, and I'll cease and desist. Hank has rabidly been against everything Fitzgerald. Perhaps Hankie doesn't know that Fitzy is a Republican. And so, I believe, is Joe Wilson (of Wilson/Plame fame). I sure wish I had all my old links so I could prove both. Not having them puts me at a disadvantage, because I just can't take the time to search for them.
Oh, well, have a good one today, all. I'll be back later, when I get some things accomplished. :)
WSClark said:
"You gotta watch this one"
That was a good one, Linda Inks.....
I did visit X Blog today. I see some new lib posters as well as some of the non-boycotters. I have sent e-mails to Wendy, Hard Truth and others, inviting them here, with no replies. Given my rep, it may just be me.
Does anyone else want to take a shot at it?
That was a good one, Linda Inks.....
I did visit X Blog today. I see some new lib posters as well as some of the non-boycotters. I have sent e-mails to Wendy, Hard Truth and others, inviting them here, with no replies. Given my rep, it may just be me.
Does anyone else want to take a shot at it?
CF said:
PD,
Actually, I'm pretty sure Joe Wilson is a Democrat, the fact that he worked in Repubican "Administration" notwithstanding.
And with Fitz, Hank's obedient hatred is no surprise: apparent, Karl Rove wanted a different U.S. Attorney for that position in Illinois, someone from within the state who wouldn't be such a bulldog on corruption. Sen. Peter Fitzgerald (R-IL) told him to take a hike and hired Patrick Fitzgerald, instead.
Actually, I'm pretty sure Joe Wilson is a Democrat, the fact that he worked in Repubican "Administration" notwithstanding.
And with Fitz, Hank's obedient hatred is no surprise: apparent, Karl Rove wanted a different U.S. Attorney for that position in Illinois, someone from within the state who wouldn't be such a bulldog on corruption. Sen. Peter Fitzgerald (R-IL) told him to take a hike and hired Patrick Fitzgerald, instead.
Predestined said:
Thanks, CF. (I was trying to figure out who PD is...) ROFL
I wonder what would happen if we did away with all political parties and let people run on who they are instead of what they are.
Steven/DD, if I have some research questions for a book, can I email you? Assuming I found the correct editorial...
I wonder what would happen if we did away with all political parties and let people run on who they are instead of what they are.
Steven/DD, if I have some research questions for a book, can I email you? Assuming I found the correct editorial...
Predestined said:
Okay, being serious here now:
Steve, which was yours? I just grabbed one that caught my interest, but I didn't really see your name there, unless you're going by an aka?
Not that I care what anyone does for a living.
Steve, which was yours? I just grabbed one that caught my interest, but I didn't really see your name there, unless you're going by an aka?
Not that I care what anyone does for a living.
darwinsdisciple said:
Sorry, the editorial I was referring to was not written by me. The editorial I was suggesting was written by an old Mennonite guy who went to school in the 1950's at Bethel College in Newton.
I would be happy to answer any question I can.
I would be happy to answer any question I can.
darwinsdisciple said:
And, if you believe my daughter, she will tell you that I will gladly answer questions I can't answer. She is way too honest, sometimes.
Predestined said:
For those who don't mind dirtying their hands (and minds), there's a good (and heated) discussion going on over "there" on the NCLB issue. Two knew unknowns are duking it out with the Right. They're holding their own against them, too. No nasties flying yet, but I expect GS and republican to start any minute. I'm sure the newbies will leave. Sad.
TRACY said:
"Over there" is just like a bad car wreck huh?
Ya' know it's going to be awful and morbid, but....
You just can't help it, you hafta take a look-see.
It's human nature.
I personally haven't wasted any of my last three brain cells on what's going on over there.
I haven't even looked back, lest I turn into salt.
I wouldn't worry too much about newbies over there,
how do you know they aren't old-bies from there,
just reborn, again?
Ya' know it's going to be awful and morbid, but....
You just can't help it, you hafta take a look-see.
It's human nature.
I personally haven't wasted any of my last three brain cells on what's going on over there.
I haven't even looked back, lest I turn into salt.
I wouldn't worry too much about newbies over there,
how do you know they aren't old-bies from there,
just reborn, again?
Gster said:
I'm reading "The Imperial Life in the Emerald City", writted by an editior at the Washington Post.
The criteria for being hired to go to Iraq on the civilian side, was total Bush support and support for Roe v Wade, etc. A person's experience and comptence was not a factor in the selection process!
Garner , the first Kahuna, had about 30 noticte before departing, with the 2 guys he had found to help him.
Bremmer, the Giant Kahuna, started off by firing 10-15,000 teachers because they were Bathists, even though they had either no choice, or did so for salary raises.
Now it's 5 years later, and I don't find any changes for the positive, although I'm sure there must be some.
What a giant waste of.......(you fill in the blanks)!
Gary
The criteria for being hired to go to Iraq on the civilian side, was total Bush support and support for Roe v Wade, etc. A person's experience and comptence was not a factor in the selection process!
Garner , the first Kahuna, had about 30 noticte before departing, with the 2 guys he had found to help him.
Bremmer, the Giant Kahuna, started off by firing 10-15,000 teachers because they were Bathists, even though they had either no choice, or did so for salary raises.
Now it's 5 years later, and I don't find any changes for the positive, although I'm sure there must be some.
What a giant waste of.......(you fill in the blanks)!
Gary
CF said:
Predestined,
Very interesting. On that same thread, Republican talks about having served as a refueling tanker capacity in the USAF from '81-'92. I believe that the poster named "Eier," who I called out as JM/RepubliKKKhan, made the same claim back in February.
Very interesting. That one goes in the evidence file to be checked later for CF's eventual guerilla assault.
Very interesting. On that same thread, Republican talks about having served as a refueling tanker capacity in the USAF from '81-'92. I believe that the poster named "Eier," who I called out as JM/RepubliKKKhan, made the same claim back in February.
Very interesting. That one goes in the evidence file to be checked later for CF's eventual guerilla assault.
TRACY said:
Ma was in the kitchen fiddling around when she hollers out....
"Pa! You need to go out and fix the outhouse!"
Pa replies, "There ain't nuthin wrong with the outhouse."
Ma yells back, "Yes there is, now git out there and fix it."
So......Pa mosies out to the outhouse, looks around and yells back,
"Ma! There ain't nuthin wrong with the outhouse! "
Ma replies, "Stick yur head in the hole!"
Pa yells back, "I ain't stickin my head in that hole!"
Ma says, "Ya have to stick yur head in the hole to see what to fix."
So with that, Pa sticks his head in the hole, looks around and yells back,
"Ma! There ain't nuthin wrong with this outhouse!"
Ma hollers back, "Now take your head out of the hole!"
Pa proceeds to pull his head out of the hole, then starts yelling, "Ma!
Help! My beard is stuck in the cracks in the toilet seat!"
To which Ma replies, "Hurt's, don't it ?!"
lindainks55 said:
Good morning.
Tracy, I hope your family found comfort at the funeral and the visiting that usually follows. Also that the effort of the "trip" wasn't too difficult on your Dad.
It's real dreary this morning, but so warm. Feels like spring for sure. Cross your fingers and toes for some of that possible rain this week. Maybe it will come at night -- now I'm thinking of the school kids who are out this week for spring break. I hope they get hours of good weather to ride bikes, skateboard, and do something outside. They sit inside in front of screens too much nowadays (imho). I do too! So, I'm off to walk with the dog and do some pee marking, maybe chase a squirrel. Maybe I'll let the dog handle those last two activities.
Tracy, I hope your family found comfort at the funeral and the visiting that usually follows. Also that the effort of the "trip" wasn't too difficult on your Dad.
It's real dreary this morning, but so warm. Feels like spring for sure. Cross your fingers and toes for some of that possible rain this week. Maybe it will come at night -- now I'm thinking of the school kids who are out this week for spring break. I hope they get hours of good weather to ride bikes, skateboard, and do something outside. They sit inside in front of screens too much nowadays (imho). I do too! So, I'm off to walk with the dog and do some pee marking, maybe chase a squirrel. Maybe I'll let the dog handle those last two activities.
TRACY said:
Morning Ms. Inks.
The funeral was exceptional, very few tears!
Uncle was 84, lived a nice full life and was quite ready to go. He told the preacher so every time he saw him. I didn't know that he did a year on the Italian front lines in WW2, and then re-enlisted for Korea.
The funeral was exceptional, very few tears!
Uncle was 84, lived a nice full life and was quite ready to go. He told the preacher so every time he saw him. I didn't know that he did a year on the Italian front lines in WW2, and then re-enlisted for Korea.
longhorn said:
Hi Y'all! Farm work calls today so I will be mostly outside. Just checking in here for a few minutes. Linda, you are a wise woman when dividing up tasks between dog and human. heheheheheheheheh
I'm not too big on squirrel chasing these days, but being the feral animal that I am, I do sometimes engage in a little pee marking. A skill every farm girl learns at an early age.
I'm not too big on squirrel chasing these days, but being the feral animal that I am, I do sometimes engage in a little pee marking. A skill every farm girl learns at an early age.
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