Vaughn Tolle said:
And good morning to you, Pre; hope this cool, damp day finds you in good humor and ready to take on another day.
WSClark said:
As usual, I posted on the wrong Open Thread.....
Good morning!!!! Random thoughts......
I certainly have compassion for Stonewall Tony Snow, but I wonder how the right is going to respond in light of their response to Elizabeth Edwards.
As I posted last night, they were all over Katie Couric, but they gave Limbaugh a pass on his "Edwards is jump starting his campaign" comment.
Hypocrisy, thy name is Republican.
Tomorrow morning I am going to embark on a frightening and epic journey - I am going Downtown to both the Police Headquarters and the IRS office. I am planning to begin drinking heavily when and if I return.
It looks like the Bush Admin is circling the wagons and trying to decide which victim to toss out to the Natives. Who is going to be the Scooby Doo Libby for this scandal. To hear the Cons discuss it, this is no issue, but they fail to see the politicalization of Justice. I noticed that during Gonzoloes interview on NBC yesterday that he was apparently going back to the "performance" rationale for the firings of the Gonzo Eight.
Yesterday, Rosie O'Donnell referred to the Iranian - British crisis as "Gulf of Tolkin." Now, I am no fan of O'Donnell, but I have to wonder if there is a grain of truth in there somewhere......
"U.S. launches show of force in Persian Gulf
Aircraft carriers, warplanes feature in maneuvers off the coast of Iran."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17810017/
Good morning!!!! Random thoughts......
I certainly have compassion for Stonewall Tony Snow, but I wonder how the right is going to respond in light of their response to Elizabeth Edwards.
As I posted last night, they were all over Katie Couric, but they gave Limbaugh a pass on his "Edwards is jump starting his campaign" comment.
Hypocrisy, thy name is Republican.
Tomorrow morning I am going to embark on a frightening and epic journey - I am going Downtown to both the Police Headquarters and the IRS office. I am planning to begin drinking heavily when and if I return.
It looks like the Bush Admin is circling the wagons and trying to decide which victim to toss out to the Natives. Who is going to be the Scooby Doo Libby for this scandal. To hear the Cons discuss it, this is no issue, but they fail to see the politicalization of Justice. I noticed that during Gonzoloes interview on NBC yesterday that he was apparently going back to the "performance" rationale for the firings of the Gonzo Eight.
Yesterday, Rosie O'Donnell referred to the Iranian - British crisis as "Gulf of Tolkin." Now, I am no fan of O'Donnell, but I have to wonder if there is a grain of truth in there somewhere......
"U.S. launches show of force in Persian Gulf
Aircraft carriers, warplanes feature in maneuvers off the coast of Iran."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17810017/
Vaughn Tolle said:
So, the Deputy AG decided to "go it alone" before the Judiciary Committee on the U.S. Attorneys' matter. Interesting read.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=2983066&pa...
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=2983066&pa...
WSClark said:
"WEll, WS, I don't change my nic, so I can't relate to your need to hide behind skirts." from GSheridan.....
Apparently the right is so afraid of me that they see me behind every new liberal poster. So far, I have been Tom, Joe and Karl.
But for the record, since I left WE Blog, I have NEVER made a post on WE Blog. I committed to this boycott and have decided that I will not return.
If the boycotters decide to return, I will make one final post with the group as a whole. That will be it.
Oh, and GSheridan, my REAL name is William Stephenson Clark. Other than the infamous Jew Boy finger poster from last fall, this is the only nic I have used on any blog.
I use MY real name. I do not fear anyone.
Apparently the right is so afraid of me that they see me behind every new liberal poster. So far, I have been Tom, Joe and Karl.
But for the record, since I left WE Blog, I have NEVER made a post on WE Blog. I committed to this boycott and have decided that I will not return.
If the boycotters decide to return, I will make one final post with the group as a whole. That will be it.
Oh, and GSheridan, my REAL name is William Stephenson Clark. Other than the infamous Jew Boy finger poster from last fall, this is the only nic I have used on any blog.
I use MY real name. I do not fear anyone.
WSClark said:
Man, the Reich Wingers are really frothing over on WE Blog. They are convinced that I am posting under ALL of the new names.
Along with Tracy, Grrl and Capn' I am the most determined of the Bloggers that boycotted.
Well, paranoia runs deep.............
Along with Tracy, Grrl and Capn' I am the most determined of the Bloggers that boycotted.
Well, paranoia runs deep.............
lindainks55 said:
Don't read there, Will. (JUST a suggestion! You are an adult you has every right to read wherever you please!) It is much more peaceful for me now that I don't. Ask yourself if you've learned anything that helps you understand an issue, adds a resource you didn't know of, adds value to your intellect or life in any way. I asked and found the answers to all be no, so it was easy to walk away without wondering what I might be missing. I miss nothing! We all have "the google," so are able to find enough info to help us determine the truth of most issues. The opinions that matter to me aren't posted there.
Danny said:
WS,
Good luck with the police and the IRS. From the sounds of it that sounds like a pretty bad mess that needs to get resolved. I'll certainly keep you in my thoughts.
Other thoughts, I suppose that some of the conservatives don't like that idea, that they can't pick on you. *rolls eyes* Some days I'm ashamed to be fairly conservative, however, I'm really conservative about issues regarding life and the protection of it. If that means needing to support some liberal concepts to protect life, then so be it.
Good luck with the police and the IRS. From the sounds of it that sounds like a pretty bad mess that needs to get resolved. I'll certainly keep you in my thoughts.
Other thoughts, I suppose that some of the conservatives don't like that idea, that they can't pick on you. *rolls eyes* Some days I'm ashamed to be fairly conservative, however, I'm really conservative about issues regarding life and the protection of it. If that means needing to support some liberal concepts to protect life, then so be it.
WSClark said:
I visit the WE Blog once or twice a day for the S & G factor. I do find it hilarious when they accuse every new liberal of being me or Capn', etc. To be honest, I have never been tempted to reply.
The best and funniest part of lurking is seeing posts from GSher and Khan acting all outraged that someone has posted something insulting. The two absolute worst offenders are now the King and Queen of WE Blog. Just for clarification, GSheridan is the King.
And Danny, we are happy to have you join us. Contrary to WE Blog folklore, we do not EAT our young!
The best and funniest part of lurking is seeing posts from GSher and Khan acting all outraged that someone has posted something insulting. The two absolute worst offenders are now the King and Queen of WE Blog. Just for clarification, GSheridan is the King.
And Danny, we are happy to have you join us. Contrary to WE Blog folklore, we do not EAT our young!
longhorn said:
Hee hee hee hee hee hee heeheeeeheheeh!
OMG! I read Clark's posts here and went over there to see about the fuss. First of all Linda, you are correct. Nothing but the same ol' shills over there. Jeebus, and someone is cutting and pasting our words over there? I wonder if that violates some copywrite law? I stated in no uncertain terms the other day that I DID NOT want anything I wrote to be pasted over there. And now? hehehehehehehehehehehehhe. I continue to be mystified that anyone would care what I write here.
Whoever is yanking their chain must have the collar choking tight by now. AHEHEHE. heheheheheheheheeheh. (Deep breath) hee hee hee hee hee!
I agree Linda, it is better to stay away, but SOMEONE is really giving them a dose of their own medicine. Hell, even the nic stealing troll is back! I havent seen him since...
Hey. You dont suppose it is IAN there working them over? He'd LOVE to get Clark in trouble. I notice they are indeed very paranoid. hee hee hee hee. My friend Tom Witt posted over there a few times and they all thought HE was Clark.
Clark dude, I guess you are EVERYWHERE!! Hee hee hee hee hee hee hee. And nutz is threatening to have people banned for... wait for it.... NIC CHANGING.
OMG! You just cant make this stuff up.....
OMG! I read Clark's posts here and went over there to see about the fuss. First of all Linda, you are correct. Nothing but the same ol' shills over there. Jeebus, and someone is cutting and pasting our words over there? I wonder if that violates some copywrite law? I stated in no uncertain terms the other day that I DID NOT want anything I wrote to be pasted over there. And now? hehehehehehehehehehehehhe. I continue to be mystified that anyone would care what I write here.
Whoever is yanking their chain must have the collar choking tight by now. AHEHEHE. heheheheheheheheeheh. (Deep breath) hee hee hee hee hee!
I agree Linda, it is better to stay away, but SOMEONE is really giving them a dose of their own medicine. Hell, even the nic stealing troll is back! I havent seen him since...
Hey. You dont suppose it is IAN there working them over? He'd LOVE to get Clark in trouble. I notice they are indeed very paranoid. hee hee hee hee. My friend Tom Witt posted over there a few times and they all thought HE was Clark.
Clark dude, I guess you are EVERYWHERE!! Hee hee hee hee hee hee hee. And nutz is threatening to have people banned for... wait for it.... NIC CHANGING.
OMG! You just cant make this stuff up.....
Danny said:
WS,
I realized that on WE blog when I first discovered it. Surprised it took me that long to begin with. Like I said, I try to make an honest attempt at seeing both sides of an issue, and generally I err on the side of caution.
A good example, global warming, I do things like recycle, use the cool little florescent bulbs, and don't drive when I can walk or ride my bike. Yet, I don't have the doom and gloom of the GW theorists because I want to read and understand the data involved with it and determine for myself, is this really as bad as it is said to be.
I realized that on WE blog when I first discovered it. Surprised it took me that long to begin with. Like I said, I try to make an honest attempt at seeing both sides of an issue, and generally I err on the side of caution.
A good example, global warming, I do things like recycle, use the cool little florescent bulbs, and don't drive when I can walk or ride my bike. Yet, I don't have the doom and gloom of the GW theorists because I want to read and understand the data involved with it and determine for myself, is this really as bad as it is said to be.
longhorn said:
Wow. I read something the other day that said the plan was to attack Iran on 4/6/07. I just blew it off.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070327/wl_nm/iran_dc
Can you say proxy war? Bush tried to get one going with Israel and Hezbollah using Israel as the proxy. Was using the UK as a proxy here part of the deal that bush cut to allow the Brits to go home?
Ya gotta wonder....
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070327/wl_nm/iran_dc
Can you say proxy war? Bush tried to get one going with Israel and Hezbollah using Israel as the proxy. Was using the UK as a proxy here part of the deal that bush cut to allow the Brits to go home?
Ya gotta wonder....
longhorn said:
Hee hee hee hee. I guess that is why GS is so upset with Rosie on the other thread. Gulf of Tonkin indeed. Busted. If GS is a paid shill, she must HATE it when Rosie steals the headline. heee hee heeeheh. Like I said, you just cant make this stuff UP!
WSClark said:
Dang, Grrl, those folks are going crazy over there. This is fun! Somehow, GSher now thinks she has my IP address and "knows" that "Joe" is me.
I don't know who Joe is, but he is certainly yanking GSher's chain in a big way.
Man, they thought WE were the frothing lunatics!!!!
I just love it!!!!!
Once again, I never, never, never have posted on WE Blog since the boycott began. And I would swear on my grandchildren that I am telling the truth.
I don't know who Joe is, but he is certainly yanking GSher's chain in a big way.
Man, they thought WE were the frothing lunatics!!!!
I just love it!!!!!
Once again, I never, never, never have posted on WE Blog since the boycott began. And I would swear on my grandchildren that I am telling the truth.
Vaughn Tolle said:
WS, a few hints for your upcoming epic journey: minimize metal on your person; makes getting through the detectors much easier; also, keep smiling; they don't know how to handle that well, especially at IRS.
longhorn said:
Yeah Clark. I saw that they spelled your name wrong too. :)
I think things are boring and posts are down so they are trolling themselves for attention. And you know the one that thinks she's cute is a total whore for blog attention. Whatever. Funny stuff though that they are bluffing on the IP address. If they had your address, they would be posting it all over hell and back.
Good luck today Clark. Into the den of the beast...
I think things are boring and posts are down so they are trolling themselves for attention. And you know the one that thinks she's cute is a total whore for blog attention. Whatever. Funny stuff though that they are bluffing on the IP address. If they had your address, they would be posting it all over hell and back.
Good luck today Clark. Into the den of the beast...
WSClark said:
Thak you all for your kind words!
Hey, VT, I always smile - they think you're up to something - and I usually am.
And, Grrl, I haven't a clue how they figure that they can get my IP address.
But those folks sure are funny!!!!!
Hey, VT, I always smile - they think you're up to something - and I usually am.
And, Grrl, I haven't a clue how they figure that they can get my IP address.
But those folks sure are funny!!!!!
Danny said:
Oh yeah, getting the IP address from the users point of view is likely an improbability. Further, one of them mentioned MAC addresses(I don't recall who), and it is tied to hardware to be sure, but even it can be spoofed.
Second, your IP address can be logged by the server on just viewing the site, no need to actually post anything. Just look at how TCP/IP works, it is what is called a 'connection' oriented protocol, part of that means both sides identify each other in some fashion. So, yes, the host of the WE blog site can and maybe does have IP address logs, but users are highly unlikely to have that.
I probably didn't have to tell you that here, but I thought I would as I know some worry about that. Anyway... yeah. Now that my lunch is over, I'm going back to work.
Second, your IP address can be logged by the server on just viewing the site, no need to actually post anything. Just look at how TCP/IP works, it is what is called a 'connection' oriented protocol, part of that means both sides identify each other in some fashion. So, yes, the host of the WE blog site can and maybe does have IP address logs, but users are highly unlikely to have that.
I probably didn't have to tell you that here, but I thought I would as I know some worry about that. Anyway... yeah. Now that my lunch is over, I'm going back to work.
Danny said:
All,
"Christopher Tolkien has completed the last book of J.R.R. Tolkien from notes left from his father."
The ultimate question is how much of a quality difference will there be; for instance the difference between Dune and Dune: House Atriedes is a pretty big gap. But in my experience, Christopher Tolkien has always taken a good, cautious approach when it comes to his father's work so here's to hoping.
I can admit, the Silmarillion at first wasn't a good book, but reading it again(recently) it really had grown on me and I do like it alot now.
"Christopher Tolkien has completed the last book of J.R.R. Tolkien from notes left from his father."
The ultimate question is how much of a quality difference will there be; for instance the difference between Dune and Dune: House Atriedes is a pretty big gap. But in my experience, Christopher Tolkien has always taken a good, cautious approach when it comes to his father's work so here's to hoping.
I can admit, the Silmarillion at first wasn't a good book, but reading it again(recently) it really had grown on me and I do like it alot now.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Analysis of how the Army fouled up in the Tillman matter:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/27/shepperd.tillman/...
I just cannot let go of this one; while I was safely ensconced behind a desk in Indiana during my USAF days, and did not see combat, there's a certain fraternal feeling which develops towards those who have worn/are wearing the uniform regardless. My internal feelings on this aren't fit for public consumption; I find that when I try to articulate the same, my finely-honed NCO vocabulary takes over, and folks (rightfully) quit listening. :-)
IMHO, the worst of this tragedy is the way the family has been "jerked around" during this whole ordeal. I hope that there is a Congressional investigation of this fiasco. The Army (again, IMHO) was desparate for a recruiting poster icon, and went for it; ethics be damned.
As I feel the NCO vocabulary coming on, I cease for now.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/27/shepperd.tillman/...
I just cannot let go of this one; while I was safely ensconced behind a desk in Indiana during my USAF days, and did not see combat, there's a certain fraternal feeling which develops towards those who have worn/are wearing the uniform regardless. My internal feelings on this aren't fit for public consumption; I find that when I try to articulate the same, my finely-honed NCO vocabulary takes over, and folks (rightfully) quit listening. :-)
IMHO, the worst of this tragedy is the way the family has been "jerked around" during this whole ordeal. I hope that there is a Congressional investigation of this fiasco. The Army (again, IMHO) was desparate for a recruiting poster icon, and went for it; ethics be damned.
As I feel the NCO vocabulary coming on, I cease for now.
.morg said:
Do you know if you stand in the bathroom with the lights out and door closed. Then say we blog 3 times, WSClark's face will appear. I'm serious go try it.
Danny said:
.morg,
About Runescape, I wasn't making something exactly like that. Currently, I'm just developing card and puzzle games(have two of those completed in such a way that multiple instances of those are supported concurrently, each with multiple players).
However, in the background I've been storyboarding an idea for an as yet unnamed, unannounced RPG. Understand, if I don't go into great detail about that at the moment, I've already had one idea of mine stolen, it isn't happening again.
It however, will not be multiplayer, and likely will have some fairly steep system requirements. However, I thought I'd respond here from the open a few days ago, I did read your response at the time wasn't sure how to respond. Currently, game development is just a hobby for me.
About Runescape, I wasn't making something exactly like that. Currently, I'm just developing card and puzzle games(have two of those completed in such a way that multiple instances of those are supported concurrently, each with multiple players).
However, in the background I've been storyboarding an idea for an as yet unnamed, unannounced RPG. Understand, if I don't go into great detail about that at the moment, I've already had one idea of mine stolen, it isn't happening again.
It however, will not be multiplayer, and likely will have some fairly steep system requirements. However, I thought I'd respond here from the open a few days ago, I did read your response at the time wasn't sure how to respond. Currently, game development is just a hobby for me.
longhorn said:
Vaughn, I agree that this tragedy is almost unbearable for the family.
But I'm tellin' ya, the Tillman thing is an example of the "scandal a day" strategy being used by bushco as they run the clock out. You think it is an accident that we lurch from scandal to scandal?
Remember how we used to make fun of the repukes and say "look, a bright and shiny object"? Well I think that is what they are doing with these scandals. Oh, they are real scandals for sure. But there are so many of them, and they are "leaked" with such rapidity, that one cant help to think it is almost orchestrated.
Almost? Hell, it IS orchestrated.
So the body responsible for the resulting investigations, whether DoJ or Congress or GAO or the IG at the pentagon, just never seem to quiet get to the bottom of things enough for many indictments or convictions. Why? Well hell, they just get started, and if they do get too deep, someone blows a lot of smoke or sand, and they are off to the races on another DIFFERENT investigation. Only to be diverted yet again with yet another different scandal.
See what I mean?
I cant remember if this was Star Trek or Twilight Zone or WTF. They jettisoned everything from their craft in a trail to make the following enemy think they had destroyed the ship. But they just had to make the finish line and then they would be gone without a trace.
I think that is what bushco is doing. They are dumping things as fast as they can, they may even dump fuel and oxygen and food if they think it will get them over the finish line and they can be gone without a trace. They will dump anything not to lighten their load, but to create obstacles for the mob following them. Just slow the mob long enough to get away.
It is a hallmark of rove that you take YOUR weakness and pin it on your opponent. It's just sickening to hear the repukes question our patriotism and call us America haters. When that is actually the M.O. of their own people.
I wonder if we will catch them before they hit hyperspace...
But I'm tellin' ya, the Tillman thing is an example of the "scandal a day" strategy being used by bushco as they run the clock out. You think it is an accident that we lurch from scandal to scandal?
Remember how we used to make fun of the repukes and say "look, a bright and shiny object"? Well I think that is what they are doing with these scandals. Oh, they are real scandals for sure. But there are so many of them, and they are "leaked" with such rapidity, that one cant help to think it is almost orchestrated.
Almost? Hell, it IS orchestrated.
So the body responsible for the resulting investigations, whether DoJ or Congress or GAO or the IG at the pentagon, just never seem to quiet get to the bottom of things enough for many indictments or convictions. Why? Well hell, they just get started, and if they do get too deep, someone blows a lot of smoke or sand, and they are off to the races on another DIFFERENT investigation. Only to be diverted yet again with yet another different scandal.
See what I mean?
I cant remember if this was Star Trek or Twilight Zone or WTF. They jettisoned everything from their craft in a trail to make the following enemy think they had destroyed the ship. But they just had to make the finish line and then they would be gone without a trace.
I think that is what bushco is doing. They are dumping things as fast as they can, they may even dump fuel and oxygen and food if they think it will get them over the finish line and they can be gone without a trace. They will dump anything not to lighten their load, but to create obstacles for the mob following them. Just slow the mob long enough to get away.
It is a hallmark of rove that you take YOUR weakness and pin it on your opponent. It's just sickening to hear the repukes question our patriotism and call us America haters. When that is actually the M.O. of their own people.
I wonder if we will catch them before they hit hyperspace...
longhorn said:
GSTER, dammit! I spit coffee all over my screen!!!!
Shoot. THAT was even funnier than .morq's
Where is Tracy? Where is the king of snark? A fried chicken dinner to the funniest snarker today! heheheheeheh
You guys crack me up.
Shoot. THAT was even funnier than .morq's
Where is Tracy? Where is the king of snark? A fried chicken dinner to the funniest snarker today! heheheheeheh
You guys crack me up.
.morg said:
Danny,
My son is 12 in April. He is a gamer, runescape right now is his thing. If you need input talk to your target audience.My son would be happy to help.I would be happy to help with research and anything that would be of benefit to you.AIl l want is a really cool tee shirt with your company logo. You can contact me directly at dot_morg at yahoo.
My son is 12 in April. He is a gamer, runescape right now is his thing. If you need input talk to your target audience.My son would be happy to help.I would be happy to help with research and anything that would be of benefit to you.AIl l want is a really cool tee shirt with your company logo. You can contact me directly at dot_morg at yahoo.
Gster said:
LH- I'm not responsible for subsequent reactions. Remember,responsibility is meant to be shirked at almost every opportunity!
Julie said:
I'll even add to Grrl's offer. I'll bake a pan of homemade (from scratch) brownie's. I'll even find a good sugar free recipe if .morg wins.
Thanks for the laughs. I really need them.
personal update: yesterday went ok for MM. won't have the results until mid-April right before next court date.
Thanks for the laughs. I really need them.
personal update: yesterday went ok for MM. won't have the results until mid-April right before next court date.
Danny said:
.morg,
I'll keep that in mind. I'll contact you anyway, but currently it is in the very early process. I suspect the game will likely make a T or M rating though, and that will be likely be because of story.
I've been thinking of a dual world RPG, by that one that takes place in the 'real' world of the character, and one within a more 'dream' or 'psychological' world. Beyond that, the details I have currently are remaining very closely guarded. Coding this solo though isn't going to be easy, I've really only made significant on the graphics engine for it and some on the work on the physics model, and I've concentrated mostly in writing this in C#, so it may be Windows and perhaps XBox 360 material.
For graphics, I had to learn how to use matrix algebra to do things like rotations and such, for physics, well that seems easy at the moment, ask me again in a few weeks and I'll let you know.
I'll keep that in mind. I'll contact you anyway, but currently it is in the very early process. I suspect the game will likely make a T or M rating though, and that will be likely be because of story.
I've been thinking of a dual world RPG, by that one that takes place in the 'real' world of the character, and one within a more 'dream' or 'psychological' world. Beyond that, the details I have currently are remaining very closely guarded. Coding this solo though isn't going to be easy, I've really only made significant on the graphics engine for it and some on the work on the physics model, and I've concentrated mostly in writing this in C#, so it may be Windows and perhaps XBox 360 material.
For graphics, I had to learn how to use matrix algebra to do things like rotations and such, for physics, well that seems easy at the moment, ask me again in a few weeks and I'll let you know.
Gster said:
Julie - It's good things went ok. We were cussin' for ya.
Are those brownies "brown" or "green"?
Are those brownies "brown" or "green"?
Julie said:
I am offering my 'famous' ooey-gooey brownies (like the ones that I brought to the meet-ups). WSC can add as needed to make 'special' brownies. ;)
.morg said:
Remember where's waldo he was hidden on cereal boxes and pictures of pizzia on menus. Finding waldo was supposed to keep the kiddies entertained how about...drum roll.....find WSClark's IP address....this idea came to me after reading a comment thread at a certain blog whose name will not be spoken.....
longhorn said:
Good for you and yours Julie! Give MM our best and take a bow for yourself. Gster, I think you've got the lead in the snark contest. No wonder you want an ingredient list on the brownies.
PS--If they dont meet your approval, ship 'em to me. I dont care what color they are :)
PS--If they dont meet your approval, ship 'em to me. I dont care what color they are :)
longhorn said:
Morq, I read that too. WTF is up with that? What I know about computers and the internet you could put in a thimble, but even I know that GS is blowing smoke on that one. Er, overreaching as the repukes like to say. Besides, the MOLE could probably give her more accurate information.
Oh, and another funny one. The blog king lecturing someone that if they didnt behave they would RUIN the blog for everyone. hehehehheeeeheheehehehehhheheehhe.
Isnt that like closing the barn door after the horses are gone? And you are the one who let them out? It just cracks me up, after all the complaints about trolls and nic switchers, these guys are chasing their tails trying to bully a phantom nic switcher.
heheheheheheeeheeheheh. I'm tellin' ya. You just cant make this stuff up.
Oh, and another funny one. The blog king lecturing someone that if they didnt behave they would RUIN the blog for everyone. hehehehheeeeheheehehehehhheheehhe.
Isnt that like closing the barn door after the horses are gone? And you are the one who let them out? It just cracks me up, after all the complaints about trolls and nic switchers, these guys are chasing their tails trying to bully a phantom nic switcher.
heheheheheheeeheeheheh. I'm tellin' ya. You just cant make this stuff up.
Danny said:
LH, .morg, etc,
I'll play for along for this. If the IP address were actually gotten some how then:
1. it was obtained because someone knows someone on the server side of things.
2. it was obtained because someone broke into the server and stole logs which may or may not have contained the information(illegal)
3. was sniffing packets going in and out at WEblog(which likely for someone without a healthy knowledge of computers would look pretty damned meaningless).
4. if assuming one of the first three occured, then would have to trace the IP address back to the ISP that owns it
5. to top it off would have to convince that ISP to leak out their customers information, and without a warrant of some type I'm sure that just isn't going to happen
6. know someone willing to leak out customer information at said ISP
7. then match up all the IP addresses with times things were posted to times the packets arrived.. and then further make an assumption that this was the person in question
Yeah... I'm thinking no it didn't happen
I'll play for along for this. If the IP address were actually gotten some how then:
1. it was obtained because someone knows someone on the server side of things.
2. it was obtained because someone broke into the server and stole logs which may or may not have contained the information(illegal)
3. was sniffing packets going in and out at WEblog(which likely for someone without a healthy knowledge of computers would look pretty damned meaningless).
4. if assuming one of the first three occured, then would have to trace the IP address back to the ISP that owns it
5. to top it off would have to convince that ISP to leak out their customers information, and without a warrant of some type I'm sure that just isn't going to happen
6. know someone willing to leak out customer information at said ISP
7. then match up all the IP addresses with times things were posted to times the packets arrived.. and then further make an assumption that this was the person in question
Yeah... I'm thinking no it didn't happen
.morg said:
LH,
I know what you mean about the whole paranoid mindset.It's like the concealed carry thing. If things are so bad then we should all carry an assault rifle like in Mogadishu [sp].Anyway got to clean house.
I know what you mean about the whole paranoid mindset.It's like the concealed carry thing. If things are so bad then we should all carry an assault rifle like in Mogadishu [sp].Anyway got to clean house.
Gster said:
Danny- It's been some time since my MCSE days, but what you say follows what I remember about the process.
Gary
Gary
WSClark said:
I am not sure that even the WE Blog folks have direct access to IP addy's. Last year, December, WE Blog inadvertantly banned me from WE Blog, meaning to ban someone that trolled me. To make a long story short, I had to go through TypePad to get my ability to post reinstated. The WE Blog folks were not able to do it.
The funny thing is, however, that they can CLAIM they picked up my addy all they want - since I did not post anything over there - it's all academic.
But it is funny - GSher is STILL ranting about me!
She has SOME facination with me. God help me if she has dreams about me - I getting the willies just thinking about it.
The funny thing is, however, that they can CLAIM they picked up my addy all they want - since I did not post anything over there - it's all academic.
But it is funny - GSher is STILL ranting about me!
She has SOME facination with me. God help me if she has dreams about me - I getting the willies just thinking about it.
Gster said:
WSC ; re; " God help me if she has dreams about me - I getting the willies just thinking about it. "
Forget the willies and pass the track shoes!! Ciao!!
Forget the willies and pass the track shoes!! Ciao!!
Gster said:
LH- By the way, when I snark I really try to remember to excuse myself and then leave the room. Proper manners and all that!
lonnghorn said:
hee hee hee hee. I'm still thinking about that cyber dog sniffin' packets. I bet the king and queen are taking forwarded emails from THE MOLE and checking IPs as fast as they can. Heheheheheheeehheeehhehhhheeheheh.
longhorn said:
You know what I think is funny. They are in such a TIZZY over there looking for IP addresses and saying with such gravitas that there are ways to track mystery posters. Hee hee hee. Dave was the biggest troller and nic switcher on the board, but now that he's king, there's CONSEQUENCES for nic switching and trolling.
And what I saw there today was just funny, not trolling or stalking, just disagreeing. If golfnut wants to really get after it, wont he and the other nic switchers like SOB and fleetie have to out themselves too? And HOW they got the info?
Stay tuned kids. We may get some REAL laughs going here if all the nic switchers on blog x are outed.
And capn? I would still like to know more about posts banned or blocked here. Have we been under cyber attack and didnt even know it? hehehehehehehheh. Really disruptive.
And what I saw there today was just funny, not trolling or stalking, just disagreeing. If golfnut wants to really get after it, wont he and the other nic switchers like SOB and fleetie have to out themselves too? And HOW they got the info?
Stay tuned kids. We may get some REAL laughs going here if all the nic switchers on blog x are outed.
And capn? I would still like to know more about posts banned or blocked here. Have we been under cyber attack and didnt even know it? hehehehehehehheh. Really disruptive.
Danny said:
Packet sniffing. If you got a laugh out of that LH, just wait theres more...
Packet sniffing involves either going through a proxy and just recording all traffic in and out of that proxy. Nothing major, or setting a computer on a network and then setting up its network card to be in promiscuous mode. Basically, what this does it ignores the fact that it should only listen for things directed to it, and instead listens to everything. Thus, "packet sniffing". Look up a program called Ethereal and WinPcap. They will have much more detailed explanations on this than I.
I know enough about how to do it, but I'll be honest, I have no need to do it. Primarily the good purpose behind it is to troubleshoot network problems, however with everything good there can be people who use it for rather bad purposes.
What can be "sniffed"? Everything. Granted, I'm not entirely certain off the top of my had how to go about capturing packets directed at a webserver not from something on my own network, but my understanding is it can be done.
Packet sniffing involves either going through a proxy and just recording all traffic in and out of that proxy. Nothing major, or setting a computer on a network and then setting up its network card to be in promiscuous mode. Basically, what this does it ignores the fact that it should only listen for things directed to it, and instead listens to everything. Thus, "packet sniffing". Look up a program called Ethereal and WinPcap. They will have much more detailed explanations on this than I.
I know enough about how to do it, but I'll be honest, I have no need to do it. Primarily the good purpose behind it is to troubleshoot network problems, however with everything good there can be people who use it for rather bad purposes.
What can be "sniffed"? Everything. Granted, I'm not entirely certain off the top of my had how to go about capturing packets directed at a webserver not from something on my own network, but my understanding is it can be done.
darwinsdisciple said:
I went back to the night of 03-20-07 when SOB graced us with his presence. His posts are still there, so I am not sure what Capn was referring to.
WSClark said:
Man, those folks are still at it over on WE Blog.
While I was supposedly posting under multiple nics, I have made a run (actually walk) to the store, have done several (4)loads of laundry, made lunch, done some dishes, visited with my daughter that stopped by and gather my documents for my ordeal tomorrow. During that time, I also posted a few snarky comments on WV Blog, although I did not win the Snark of the Day Award.
Damn, I have to admit that I also watched a rerun of Law and Order on TNT.
... and I second the request of Grrl for so info on the banned/deleted posts from cyber-stalkers.
While I was supposedly posting under multiple nics, I have made a run (actually walk) to the store, have done several (4)loads of laundry, made lunch, done some dishes, visited with my daughter that stopped by and gather my documents for my ordeal tomorrow. During that time, I also posted a few snarky comments on WV Blog, although I did not win the Snark of the Day Award.
Damn, I have to admit that I also watched a rerun of Law and Order on TNT.
... and I second the request of Grrl for so info on the banned/deleted posts from cyber-stalkers.
longhorn said:
Veeeeddddy interestink comrade Clark. You know? Vee haf vays off making you talk...
Hee hee hee hee. Well that just proves that you have super duper extra special posting powers Clark. That makes you MORE suspicious, not less.
And damn you making all those lame excuses. Is that a self fullfilling prophesy or WHAT! I want what they are smokin' over there if it is a hallucinogen.
The day isnt over. Git on yer horse and ride! You might still win the snark of the day award.
Hee hee hee hee. Well that just proves that you have super duper extra special posting powers Clark. That makes you MORE suspicious, not less.
And damn you making all those lame excuses. Is that a self fullfilling prophesy or WHAT! I want what they are smokin' over there if it is a hallucinogen.
The day isnt over. Git on yer horse and ride! You might still win the snark of the day award.
WSClark said:
Well, my warm up pitches this morning included this one:
"The best and funniest part of lurking is seeing posts from GSher and Khan acting all outraged that someone has posted something insulting. The two absolute worst offenders are now the King and Queen of WE Blog. Just for clarification, GSheridan is the King."
That was before the contest was officially announced. But I have the night off tonight, so I am sure that I will have an opportunity to bring my razor wit to bear on the situation!
I am glad that I put off my trip on the Downtown Train until tomorrow. I am truly enjoying watching Sheridan get all best out of shape about me while I am doing absolutely nothing. Khan is weighing in on how that my addy could be blocked, etc, when I am just sitting here in my little treehouse.
God, I don't know who is causing all the commotion over there, but I wish I could buy them a drink!
Now they have a new sheriff in town - the BlogPatrol!!!
This is almost as fun as smoking a doobie and watching the 700 Club!!!!
"The best and funniest part of lurking is seeing posts from GSher and Khan acting all outraged that someone has posted something insulting. The two absolute worst offenders are now the King and Queen of WE Blog. Just for clarification, GSheridan is the King."
That was before the contest was officially announced. But I have the night off tonight, so I am sure that I will have an opportunity to bring my razor wit to bear on the situation!
I am glad that I put off my trip on the Downtown Train until tomorrow. I am truly enjoying watching Sheridan get all best out of shape about me while I am doing absolutely nothing. Khan is weighing in on how that my addy could be blocked, etc, when I am just sitting here in my little treehouse.
God, I don't know who is causing all the commotion over there, but I wish I could buy them a drink!
Now they have a new sheriff in town - the BlogPatrol!!!
This is almost as fun as smoking a doobie and watching the 700 Club!!!!
longhorn said:
Jeebus Clark. The 700 club is bad enough when yer NOT stoned!!!
Yesterday there were posts over there that I recognized the writing style, nic name etc. and could take a good guess as to the person behind it. Today? I'm like you. I dont know the poster, but they are funny as hell. And what is even more funny is how worked up they are over something that is non threatening. It is clearly driving them crazy. They must have known the trolls before and didnt care. Now they dont know and they damn sure care.
Unless? GS really does have some secrets regarding her marriage? Wouldnt THAT be funny? heheheheh. Maybe the disgruntled poster is really a disgruntled lover?
Ewwwwwwwww. Ok. I'm gettin' the willys now too!
Yesterday there were posts over there that I recognized the writing style, nic name etc. and could take a good guess as to the person behind it. Today? I'm like you. I dont know the poster, but they are funny as hell. And what is even more funny is how worked up they are over something that is non threatening. It is clearly driving them crazy. They must have known the trolls before and didnt care. Now they dont know and they damn sure care.
Unless? GS really does have some secrets regarding her marriage? Wouldnt THAT be funny? heheheheh. Maybe the disgruntled poster is really a disgruntled lover?
Ewwwwwwwww. Ok. I'm gettin' the willys now too!
longhorn said:
On another subject...
This Monica thing of taking the fifth. They are talking now on Hardball about immunizing her. I wonder if she will go for it. She may be the human equivalent of the Watergate Tapes.
I wouldnt ride in any small planes if I were her :)
This Monica thing of taking the fifth. They are talking now on Hardball about immunizing her. I wonder if she will go for it. She may be the human equivalent of the Watergate Tapes.
I wouldnt ride in any small planes if I were her :)
lindainks55 said:
Dan Froomkin titled today's column "Bush's Monica Problem" It hadn't even dawned on me until I read it that the name of the Justice Department's White House liaison who is "taking the fifth," is Monica Goodling. Could this be any more ironic!?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/links...
"...it's not at all clear what she's trying to say. Undeniably, if she chose to lie to the panel, she could face perjury charges. Her recourse, therefore, would appear to be to tell the truth.
So is she saying that if she told the truth, she would have to admit a crime? What crime?
Or is she saying something else: That she'd have to admit someone else's criminal behavior? Well, that's not something you can take the Fifth to avoid. Sorry.
Or is she just afraid of being grilled by an antagonistic bunch of congressmen? Well, that's not something you can take the Fifth to avoid either."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/links...
"...it's not at all clear what she's trying to say. Undeniably, if she chose to lie to the panel, she could face perjury charges. Her recourse, therefore, would appear to be to tell the truth.
So is she saying that if she told the truth, she would have to admit a crime? What crime?
Or is she saying something else: That she'd have to admit someone else's criminal behavior? Well, that's not something you can take the Fifth to avoid. Sorry.
Or is she just afraid of being grilled by an antagonistic bunch of congressmen? Well, that's not something you can take the Fifth to avoid either."
WSClark said:
"Bush's Monica Problem"
God damn it, Linda, you just put some REALLY AWFUL MENTAL IMAGES IN MY HEAD.
God, first GSher gets fixated on me and now this.......
God damn it, Linda, you just put some REALLY AWFUL MENTAL IMAGES IN MY HEAD.
God, first GSher gets fixated on me and now this.......
Predestined said:
Sorry to take up space here, but I need to get a message to Dave. Tech won't let me add him as a friend right now, and I don't want him to think I'm ignoring his messages.
So, Dave, I'm aka Rox, and thanks for sending the message! I'll play around with things for a little while, before I send off some emails with the link. I hope that's okay. :)
P.S. Glad you liked the banner. It goes with the website that isn't currently available. Maybe in April? Can we add another 8 hours to my day? Never mind. That would be a disaster.
So, Dave, I'm aka Rox, and thanks for sending the message! I'll play around with things for a little while, before I send off some emails with the link. I hope that's okay. :)
P.S. Glad you liked the banner. It goes with the website that isn't currently available. Maybe in April? Can we add another 8 hours to my day? Never mind. That would be a disaster.
longhorn said:
Yeah Linda, the Froomkin article was the one that got me thinking. The off site servers with gwb43 and the others is also an interesting conundrum for the criminals in chief.
If they want to claim executive privlege on those emails, and supposedly kkkarl rove sent 95% of his emails through those non white house accounts, then they have to admit they used those email accounts to CIRCUMVENT the law regarding archiving records.
If they try to claim that those servers were used for political, not governent business, then they cant claim executive privelege. :)
All the kings horses and all the kings men, might not be able to put chimpy together again...
If they want to claim executive privlege on those emails, and supposedly kkkarl rove sent 95% of his emails through those non white house accounts, then they have to admit they used those email accounts to CIRCUMVENT the law regarding archiving records.
If they try to claim that those servers were used for political, not governent business, then they cant claim executive privelege. :)
All the kings horses and all the kings men, might not be able to put chimpy together again...
lindainks55 said:
But like you posted earlier, with all those bright and shiny objects will anyone be able to stay on point to the end of one? I dont have bunches and bunches of faith and confidence in the democrats either. More than the other side but I recognize that they are politicians with all the inherent limitations. They wanted to run for public office so you've got to question them to some extent!
Vaughn Tolle said:
First, Linda, thanks for the link; it is somewhat reassuring to me that my incapability to understand the assertion of the Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination is also shared with others of legal training. I've been puzzling since I heard of her decision over this decision. Her counsel's statement is not helpful in my decision making; one way to read it is that she would subject herself to perjury charges by testifying under oath, and she wishes to avoid this. Curiously, merely testifying under oath in a truthful manner would not expose her to perjury charges. Maybe my focus is too narrow; perhaps (look out, here I go) she is concerned that testifying under oath in a truthful manner exposes her to some other form of criminal liability. While the mere firing of a U.S. Attorney is not obstruction of justice, it may become such (or a related crime) if the intent of those "in power" was to hinder an on-going criminal investigation; and if she was involved in the discussions, knew what was intended, might there be a conspiracy charge "out there"? I'd better stop on this one while I'm (theoretically) still ahead.
Second, WSC; damn it, now I've got what I consider similar images.
Second, WSC; damn it, now I've got what I consider similar images.
Vaughn Tolle said:
lh, you just might be on to something; wondering if this Monica was instrumental in advising the use of the subject servers? Hmmm....
WSClark said:
Vaughn, if she had any courage, any sense of history, any sense of humor, she would show up to testify wearing a black beret.
longhorn said:
VT, that is exactly what I have been reading all over the internet today. You cant just refuse to testify because such testimony MIGHT prove you engaged in criminal activity. Testifying truthfully under oath is not a perjury trap.
Like I said, this may be a coded cry for immunity. I say give it to her and make her sing. Then put her in the witness protection program before she finds any horse heads in her bed.
Hell of a way to end a career, eh?
Like I said, this may be a coded cry for immunity. I say give it to her and make her sing. Then put her in the witness protection program before she finds any horse heads in her bed.
Hell of a way to end a career, eh?
Vaughn Tolle said:
Yeah, lh; but, a condition of immunity is to testify truthfully as to all matters brought forward, and there might be something there which she's really concerned about; not her own liability, but that of others with the power to put a horse's head in her bed. I would also concur about the way her current career is ending; and I suspect, but do not know, there are limited career opportunities for female graduates of Liberty School of Law in the best of times.
longhorn said:
Well VT, you know under bushco, the AG was the preznit's lawyer, not the lawyer for the people. He was a defender, not a prosecutor. It wouldnt surprise me if Monica either dreamed up the scheme, or at least knew about it and SHE was communicating via the same channels since she was the DOJ point person for communicating with the WH. Which in this case would be Karl "gwb43.com" Rove.
Ya think she sent "official emails" to him at that server? heheheheeh
Ya think she sent "official emails" to him at that server? heheheheeh
Vaughn Tolle said:
Well, lh, thinking about your proposed hypothetical; if she did, she slept through the briefing (most charitable thing I could think to say); if she didn't, there's a paper trail out there on the official servers.
longhorn said:
The Jerry Falwell School of Law? WTF? I heard someone today say that they wondered if she even had a current BAR card. And they wooped the hell outa the woman USA in Michigan too and ruined her career.
Sorry, but I may get the snark award for saying this. I dont understand the women who enslave themselves for bushco. Just like I dont understand log cabin republicans. What the hell kind of self loathing does it take to shine the shoes of your oppressor? This should be a lesson in that famous BFEE loyalty.
Sorry, but I may get the snark award for saying this. I dont understand the women who enslave themselves for bushco. Just like I dont understand log cabin republicans. What the hell kind of self loathing does it take to shine the shoes of your oppressor? This should be a lesson in that famous BFEE loyalty.
Vaughn Tolle said:
WSC, another troubling mental image; this Monica sent GWB letters in the Harriet Miers mode. I think I need to go wash my brain out with very strong soap now; be back shortly.
WSClark said:
She is absolutely small potatoes - no big deal - a minor player. Give her immunity and impress upon her prior to testifying that any perjury will result in serious jail time.
She is only 33 and claims the mantle of "Christian" lawyer. That is fine, but Jesus said nothing about lying being acceptable if it was to protect a criminal act by your superiors. She is not going to want to surrender her law license and her future at this point.
As has been said, many, many times, it is not the crime, it is the coverup.
Damn, it is starting to feel like 1974 all over again.
She is only 33 and claims the mantle of "Christian" lawyer. That is fine, but Jesus said nothing about lying being acceptable if it was to protect a criminal act by your superiors. She is not going to want to surrender her law license and her future at this point.
As has been said, many, many times, it is not the crime, it is the coverup.
Damn, it is starting to feel like 1974 all over again.
longhorn said:
I cant remember exactly what all I read or where I read it today, but I also read that Monica lawyered up with, get this, a MONEY LAUNDERING lawyer. Perhaps she has financial incentive to keep her mouth shut?
Maybe she cant testify 'cause there a commandment that says "thou shalt not lie" with no exceptions? Perhaps and earthly mortal charge is not what she fears :)
Maybe she cant testify 'cause there a commandment that says "thou shalt not lie" with no exceptions? Perhaps and earthly mortal charge is not what she fears :)
WSClark said:
"I dont understand the women who enslave themselves for bushco. Just like I dont understand log cabin republicans."
A bit like the "Grey Zone?"
For those of you not familiar with the reference, the Grey Zone was a movie starring Harvey Keitel about the Jews that assisted the Nazis in the gas houses in Auschwitz in exchange for postponing their own executions. David Arquette and Steve Buscemi also starred in the movie.
The refernce is to the "moral grey zone."
A bit like the "Grey Zone?"
For those of you not familiar with the reference, the Grey Zone was a movie starring Harvey Keitel about the Jews that assisted the Nazis in the gas houses in Auschwitz in exchange for postponing their own executions. David Arquette and Steve Buscemi also starred in the movie.
The refernce is to the "moral grey zone."
CapnAmerica said:
Hello, my cheeky monkeys!
1. Thanks for refreshing my memory, Darwin'sD. It was SOB that posted here, not Republican. (I have a strong suspicion that they are one in the same however . . . )
2. WSC, I believe you. You're not posting, but that doesn't stop the piranhas from frothing up the water in a feeding frenzy, does it? It's exactly what some of us predicted would happen before the boycott started--when we left, the trolls would come after them. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if RepubliKhanJMEierTylerDurdenOriginalSteve et al. is trolling his own. That's what it takes to get the post count up to what it used to be.
3. They don't have anybody's IP address. This (as if we needed proof) confirms that SherriBaby is a damned liar.
1. Thanks for refreshing my memory, Darwin'sD. It was SOB that posted here, not Republican. (I have a strong suspicion that they are one in the same however . . . )
2. WSC, I believe you. You're not posting, but that doesn't stop the piranhas from frothing up the water in a feeding frenzy, does it? It's exactly what some of us predicted would happen before the boycott started--when we left, the trolls would come after them. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if RepubliKhanJMEierTylerDurdenOriginalSteve et al. is trolling his own. That's what it takes to get the post count up to what it used to be.
3. They don't have anybody's IP address. This (as if we needed proof) confirms that SherriBaby is a damned liar.
longhorn said:
"Damn, it is starting to feel like 1974 all over again."
Yeah Clark, but this time, we dont have any real lions like Lowell Weiker or Barbara Jordan. Waxman is about the closest. Leahy is gonna hafta step it up if he wants to emulate Dirksen.
Yeah Clark, but this time, we dont have any real lions like Lowell Weiker or Barbara Jordan. Waxman is about the closest. Leahy is gonna hafta step it up if he wants to emulate Dirksen.
WSClark said:
Wow! News Flash, Democrats grow a set.
"Senate votes for Iraq withdrawal by next March
Defying veto threat, lawmakers narrowly signal support for troop pullout"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17811336/
The bad news just keeps coming for Georgie.
"Senate votes for Iraq withdrawal by next March
Defying veto threat, lawmakers narrowly signal support for troop pullout"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17811336/
The bad news just keeps coming for Georgie.
longhorn said:
Capn, are you saying she might be lying about a MOLE? Or about having an inside contact with the WE editors?
I'm shocked. SHOCKED I say....
I'm shocked. SHOCKED I say....
longhorn said:
Yeah Clark, I see that Hagel jumped ship from the last vote. Then I see that the repukes are using the stratgy of the veto 'cause they dont think the Dems have enough votes to override a veto. But phucker Carlson is saying the repukes are jumping off the Team Bush Wagon faster than rats leaving the proverbial sinking ship.
Hell, they were so worried about this vote even had CHENEY there in case of a try. Live and direct from his blood clot and hospital bed.
I guess the repukes probably wish they had finished their work on the Appropriations bill before they ended the last session?
Hell, they were so worried about this vote even had CHENEY there in case of a try. Live and direct from his blood clot and hospital bed.
I guess the repukes probably wish they had finished their work on the Appropriations bill before they ended the last session?
WSClark said:
Yes, but that son-of-a-bitch Lieberman rolled with the Republicans.
But now what - Bush vetoes - the House refuses to offer a new bill - NO FUNDING?
Remember, the House controls all spending bill. Nancy can keep any bill from coming to the floor. Bush will have to blink.
But now what - Bush vetoes - the House refuses to offer a new bill - NO FUNDING?
Remember, the House controls all spending bill. Nancy can keep any bill from coming to the floor. Bush will have to blink.
longhorn said:
Clark, I think Nancy is doing a brilliant job. I think she is a talented strategist and she does VERY well with the media.
But no one can replace Barbara. I'm tellin' ya, when she spoke in that low, measured and modulated voice, it was the voice of GOD!!! I still love her speech about the Constitution when the committee took their vote in 1974.
But no one can replace Barbara. I'm tellin' ya, when she spoke in that low, measured and modulated voice, it was the voice of GOD!!! I still love her speech about the Constitution when the committee took their vote in 1974.
longhorn said:
In case you cant tell, I loved Barbara dearly. I uses her words in my testimony about the hate amendment. I used this part.
"My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total. I am not going to sit here and be an idle spectator to the diminution, the subversion, the destruction of the Constitution."
But these words, from the same speech casting her vote on the committee, are strikingly prophetic. Proving that the Constitution and those who love it are timeless. That same day, she also said:
"The powers relating to impeachment are an essential check in the hands of this body, the legislature, against and upon the encroachment of the Executive. In establishing the division between the two branches of the legislature, the House and the Senate, assigning to the one the right to accuse and to the other the right to judge, the framers of this Constitution were very astute. They did not make the accusers and the judges the same person.
We know the nature of impeachment. We have been talking about it awhile now. It is chiefly designed for the President and his high ministers to somehow be called into account. It is designed to "bridle" the Executive if he engages in excesses. It is designed as a method of national inquest into the conduct of public men. The framers confined in the Congress the power, if need be, to remove the President in order to strike a delicate balance between a President swollen with power and grown tyrannical and preservation of the independence of the Executive."
Timeless.
You can read, see, and hear the entire speech here:
http://www.watergate.info/impeachment/74-07-25_bar...
"My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total. I am not going to sit here and be an idle spectator to the diminution, the subversion, the destruction of the Constitution."
But these words, from the same speech casting her vote on the committee, are strikingly prophetic. Proving that the Constitution and those who love it are timeless. That same day, she also said:
"The powers relating to impeachment are an essential check in the hands of this body, the legislature, against and upon the encroachment of the Executive. In establishing the division between the two branches of the legislature, the House and the Senate, assigning to the one the right to accuse and to the other the right to judge, the framers of this Constitution were very astute. They did not make the accusers and the judges the same person.
We know the nature of impeachment. We have been talking about it awhile now. It is chiefly designed for the President and his high ministers to somehow be called into account. It is designed to "bridle" the Executive if he engages in excesses. It is designed as a method of national inquest into the conduct of public men. The framers confined in the Congress the power, if need be, to remove the President in order to strike a delicate balance between a President swollen with power and grown tyrannical and preservation of the independence of the Executive."
Timeless.
You can read, see, and hear the entire speech here:
http://www.watergate.info/impeachment/74-07-25_bar...
WSClark said:
Nancy can do it, I have no doubt, but few women will ever be able to match the oratorical skills of Barbara Jordan. Despite the passage of time, I well remember her speeches during the Watergate period.
Nancy is not that type of speaker, but she is a damned tough lady. She can do that little bright smile routine all she wants, but I have no doubt that she has kicked her fair share of asses and has a lengthy list of names. The media calls her a San Francisco liberal, but they forget that she grew up in a Democratic Italian family in Baltimore.
I would not want to cross her.
Nancy is not that type of speaker, but she is a damned tough lady. She can do that little bright smile routine all she wants, but I have no doubt that she has kicked her fair share of asses and has a lengthy list of names. The media calls her a San Francisco liberal, but they forget that she grew up in a Democratic Italian family in Baltimore.
I would not want to cross her.
Predestined said:
What an interesting day. And that's not countin the dozen and a half eggs I cleaned off my carpet and furniture after the grandkids got into the refrigerator.
I'd feel sorry for QB (that's Queen B for short. You can decide what the B is for), if I had any pity left for people like it. Let them continue as they are, and pretty soon, nobody will care. Other than comic relief, I don't pay much attention what goes on there anymore.
As for the current Monica, I wondered at the time the announcement regarding taking the 5th was announced just what it was she was afraid of saying. As Linda pointed out, it can only be used to insulate oneself against crimes committed by self. Or at least that's what I always thought.
So which will be more interesting to watch? Crimes by BushCo or at that other place which has no name?
I'd feel sorry for QB (that's Queen B for short. You can decide what the B is for), if I had any pity left for people like it. Let them continue as they are, and pretty soon, nobody will care. Other than comic relief, I don't pay much attention what goes on there anymore.
As for the current Monica, I wondered at the time the announcement regarding taking the 5th was announced just what it was she was afraid of saying. As Linda pointed out, it can only be used to insulate oneself against crimes committed by self. Or at least that's what I always thought.
So which will be more interesting to watch? Crimes by BushCo or at that other place which has no name?
longhorn said:
Hey Pre. Sorry about the eggs :(
Must be something in the stars. Today had loonyness aplenty on blog x, and this blog is hoppin'. Hell, we have lots to talk about over here with bushco giving us the topics!
Must be something in the stars. Today had loonyness aplenty on blog x, and this blog is hoppin'. Hell, we have lots to talk about over here with bushco giving us the topics!
longhorn said:
Damn, I hit enter too soon :) I also meant to say that if Pelosi wanted to kill you? You wouldnt hear a thing until the knife sliced your throat.
Vaughn Tolle said:
I think if he tries the Clinton gambit, he loses; big time. Of course, this isn't the end of the fiscal year, so the gambit really isn't there, is it?
He (GWB) will be attempting a "clean bill"; until today, I thought he stood a better than 50% chance of getting there; now, I'm not to sure. There's going to be a lot of "drama" going on; just in time to divert attention from the USA matter, huh?
He (GWB) will be attempting a "clean bill"; until today, I thought he stood a better than 50% chance of getting there; now, I'm not to sure. There's going to be a lot of "drama" going on; just in time to divert attention from the USA matter, huh?
WSClark said:
Man, it sucks to be a Bushbot these days.......
I just love watching the wingnuts twist themselves into knots trying to explain why the Bushies are soooooo innocent and this is all a CONSPIRACY. Jesus, some of these folks literally have no shame. If Bill Clinton had conducted himself in office like Bush has done, the Republicans would be screaming for EXECUTION, not impeachment.
God, if this was not so sad for my country, I would have to laugh.
We need a Constitutional Admendment that allows us to neuter a President on a temporary basis. All of Bushes power needs to be removed (along with Cheney's) and a sufficient time period needs to be allowed so that SOMEONE can slap some sense into the administration.
I just love watching the wingnuts twist themselves into knots trying to explain why the Bushies are soooooo innocent and this is all a CONSPIRACY. Jesus, some of these folks literally have no shame. If Bill Clinton had conducted himself in office like Bush has done, the Republicans would be screaming for EXECUTION, not impeachment.
God, if this was not so sad for my country, I would have to laugh.
We need a Constitutional Admendment that allows us to neuter a President on a temporary basis. All of Bushes power needs to be removed (along with Cheney's) and a sufficient time period needs to be allowed so that SOMEONE can slap some sense into the administration.
rm6046 said:
Pelosi or Billary ? Come on, you two. Comparing either one of them with Barbara Jordan is demeaning to Barbara's memory and the entire state of Texas. You might as well try to compare Dubya to Steven F. Austin as two great Texans.
longhorn said:
Well hi RM, ltns. I see you are still your grouchy self :) No one is comparing ANYONE to Barbara. I wouldnt even compare Ann Richards to her, even though they were friends.
And y'all know how I feel about Ann and the Texas Female Mafia!
And y'all know how I feel about Ann and the Texas Female Mafia!
lindainks55 said:
I need to ask you, my friends, a BIG favor. I'm very serious.
No matter who becomes the next president, no matter what party s/he is affiliated with, IF s/he has some faults (this I think is a given), I cannot be allowed to excuse those because bush did something similar or worse. The next president MUST be judged on the merits s/he deserves from their own job performance.
Please remind me of this if I ever try to scream georgebush, georgebush... I commit NOT to be as brain dead as these bushbots. There is no way a person with a brain can defend this man and their attempts are sickening.
No matter who becomes the next president, no matter what party s/he is affiliated with, IF s/he has some faults (this I think is a given), I cannot be allowed to excuse those because bush did something similar or worse. The next president MUST be judged on the merits s/he deserves from their own job performance.
Please remind me of this if I ever try to scream georgebush, georgebush... I commit NOT to be as brain dead as these bushbots. There is no way a person with a brain can defend this man and their attempts are sickening.
WSClark said:
Bill Maher on Countdown with Keith Olbermann - the Bushbots are going to blow a gasket. The explosions that you are hearing in the distance are wingnut heads popping like firecrackers on the Fourth of July.
Damn, I remember HOG and others going ballistic about comments Maher (allegedly) made about Cheney in Afghanistan, but they defended Ann Coulter's comments about McVeigh as satire..............
Wow!!!!
This should be an interesting few days.
Damn, I remember HOG and others going ballistic about comments Maher (allegedly) made about Cheney in Afghanistan, but they defended Ann Coulter's comments about McVeigh as satire..............
Wow!!!!
This should be an interesting few days.
rm6046 said:
Longhorn: Grouchy? Moi? Surely you jest! How would you have liked to be down on 6th Street with Mollie, Ann and Barbara back in the "drinkin' days"? Damn, the stories one could tell....
Linda: The only president, so far anyway, who didn't blame all of his troubles on the previous administration(s) was also named George. :)
Linda: The only president, so far anyway, who didn't blame all of his troubles on the previous administration(s) was also named George. :)
lindainks55 said:
rm, the next president can blame his/her problems on whatever previous administration they choose, I am NOT to be allowed to bring up bushco as an excuse for the next one's questionable decisions. I am so tired of bushbots who can't find anything wrong about the current president. When a criticism is leveled they can only scream BILLCLINTON, BILLCLINTON. I want to be beaten with a wet noodle, or AT LEAST reminded, if I ever try to use this president as a bad example, a reason why... He is a bad person and a worse president IMO but I don't want to be as stupid as the bushbots of today. And that doesn't make me unpatriotic or even lacking in loyalty to the OFFICE of the president, only able to see the truth.
longhorn said:
Heheeh RM. I dont think Barbara was ever a big drinker like Molly, Ann, Pat, Kathy, et al. But I do miss being young enough to enjoy 6th Street. Yee Hawwww!
I agree Linda. That is completely lame.
I agree Linda. That is completely lame.
Predestined said:
Linda, I noticed that the righty-tighties on the blog-that-shall-not-be-named are using the BILLCLINTON excuse to the fullest extent. IOW, for the only answer they can give.
You see, they can't defend GW with his own actions, they can only NOT say anything bad, so what they have to do is divert the topic to something else and stick with that diversion until...well, until hell freezes over the thread is no longer active.
It's as plain as the nose on Pinochio's face what's going on.
"Nothing to see here, but look what Bill Clinton did 7-13 years ago! This is NEWS!"
Uh huh.
You see, they can't defend GW with his own actions, they can only NOT say anything bad, so what they have to do is divert the topic to something else and stick with that diversion until...well, until hell freezes over the thread is no longer active.
It's as plain as the nose on Pinochio's face what's going on.
"Nothing to see here, but look what Bill Clinton did 7-13 years ago! This is NEWS!"
Uh huh.
Longhorn said:
Clark, Keith was on a roll all the way around tonight. The Tillman thing may lead to even more cover up. I noticed Tillman's Mom kept calling it "Fratricide" instead of friendly fire or fragging. She wants a congressional hearing, but damn, there is only so much time in the next 664 days!
longhorn said:
Pre, did you see that asshole Frum on Real Time? Did you see him stutter and stammer and dodge the question when the Atlanta Mayor asked him what HE thought they should do to win in Iraq? Heheheh. After much fumbling, all he could muster in the end was "stay the course".
As Tracy would say, "Pitiful. Just Pitiful."
As Tracy would say, "Pitiful. Just Pitiful."
rm6046 said:
I know what you meant, Linda. At least Bush has proven that we are absolutely capable of electing two losers in a row. And, if Algore had won last time, we'd be batting 3 for 3. I truly do believe if that had happened we would actually be in worse shape than we are now. But, there's little satisfaction in thinking we are only 100' deep in the shit, instead of 110' deep.
And, if you think this is bad, if Billary is the next, God help us all. Bush has been a stunning disappointment, mostly due to the fact that he's not the brightest candle in the chandelier surrounded by a cadre of self-serving provacauteurs, but I don't believe he is inherently evil. She is evil, personified. I could not be loyal to the office of the Presidency, if she were occupying the Oval Office. The United States has never had a successful coup d' etat, and I pray it never does. But she is elected, there will be, and we will have truly achieved the status we seem to be seeking -- another third world, financially and morally bankrupt, "has-been".
And, if you think this is bad, if Billary is the next, God help us all. Bush has been a stunning disappointment, mostly due to the fact that he's not the brightest candle in the chandelier surrounded by a cadre of self-serving provacauteurs, but I don't believe he is inherently evil. She is evil, personified. I could not be loyal to the office of the Presidency, if she were occupying the Oval Office. The United States has never had a successful coup d' etat, and I pray it never does. But she is elected, there will be, and we will have truly achieved the status we seem to be seeking -- another third world, financially and morally bankrupt, "has-been".
rm6046 said:
Yeah, darlin', now you're beginning to sound just like my therapist. She keeps telling me I've got to "let go" of these insignificant issues and start dealing with the really, really heavy stuff, :)
Predestined said:
LH, I missed Bill on Friday night. I was on the phone with a friend and totally forgot. I've been hoping to catch a repeat, but if I don't, I'll drop in at Bill's website and read the transcript. My daughter keeps asking if I've seen it and is sorely dissapointed when I say I haven't. We usually have a chat after it's over to discuss how good it and the guests were. And of course I missed Keith. During the day, the TV is not mine. :(
It's shaping up to be a lousy week. First the eggs, and now a nasty cold has hit me. All I want to do is go to bed, but I have to clean the carpet first.
Can we say WHINY? ;)
It's shaping up to be a lousy week. First the eggs, and now a nasty cold has hit me. All I want to do is go to bed, but I have to clean the carpet first.
Can we say WHINY? ;)
Danny said:
I really can't help this but... need to pass on this advice as I feel compelled to do this and can't help but do this...
Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night.
Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night.
WSClark said:
This has been an interesting day, to say the least. I've been busy as Hell today, not including my time "posting" on the OTHER blog, and I'm not looking forward to tomorrow. I prefer to handle my mischief via telephone, but that just won't work in this situation.
It's all enough to get me started smoking again.
Bush appears to be waist deep in the shit right about now, with no one to throw him a life preserver. The tragic thing for Republicans is that he brought it on himself. Unfortunately, it is also tragic for the country as well. From the looks of the Senate vote today, it would appear that the Republican Senators are going to let Bush try to swim to shore on his own.
Damn, do y'all recall back in 2001 that the Republicans were saying there everything was going to be fine because the grownups were back in charge.
Just 664 days left in this disaster........
It's all enough to get me started smoking again.
Bush appears to be waist deep in the shit right about now, with no one to throw him a life preserver. The tragic thing for Republicans is that he brought it on himself. Unfortunately, it is also tragic for the country as well. From the looks of the Senate vote today, it would appear that the Republican Senators are going to let Bush try to swim to shore on his own.
Damn, do y'all recall back in 2001 that the Republicans were saying there everything was going to be fine because the grownups were back in charge.
Just 664 days left in this disaster........
WSClark said:
Mary Tillman is so much more reasonable and rational than I could ever be. If I lost my son and was lied to about it by the Army, I might just lose it all together. (Not that I am all that far from that point already.)
It would also appear that the Tillman Family feels that there is a possibility that Pat's death may not have been an accident. That is almost more than I can comprehend. If I felt that was in anyway a possibility, I would be Sheehaning on the White House lawn until I got an answer.
The whole Pat Tillman story is a sobering one, to say the least, especially since his mother has revealed that he thought the War on Iraq was illegal and immoral. Given that, I wonder how long it will be before the Reich Wing Hit Machine is turned on the Tillman Family.
It would also appear that the Tillman Family feels that there is a possibility that Pat's death may not have been an accident. That is almost more than I can comprehend. If I felt that was in anyway a possibility, I would be Sheehaning on the White House lawn until I got an answer.
The whole Pat Tillman story is a sobering one, to say the least, especially since his mother has revealed that he thought the War on Iraq was illegal and immoral. Given that, I wonder how long it will be before the Reich Wing Hit Machine is turned on the Tillman Family.
Predestined said:
Who wants to bet Bush finds a way to weasel out of this, just as he has everything else?
There's always another "terrorist attack" that can either happen or be suggested to happen. And if all else fails, there's martial law.
Do I think either will happen? Possibly the first, hopefully not the latter. But I don't put anything past this administration when cornered. And, folks, they are getting deeper into that corner.
Will, I check the website to see if there's a video. I was pushin' the carpet cleaner. ;)
There's always another "terrorist attack" that can either happen or be suggested to happen. And if all else fails, there's martial law.
Do I think either will happen? Possibly the first, hopefully not the latter. But I don't put anything past this administration when cornered. And, folks, they are getting deeper into that corner.
Will, I check the website to see if there's a video. I was pushin' the carpet cleaner. ;)
WSClark said:
Dot, I am sure that you have noticed that the new Republican talking point is THE SURGE IS WORKING!!!!! I even read over the weekend that VICTORY is in sight!!!!
I saw an interview today with the new Commander of the Middle East Theater stating that it was not a civil war in Iraq, it was just "factions fighting."
God, what a clusterfuck Iraq has become. Now were are expected to believe that all we have to do is be patient and everything will be all right. I even saw a report that stated the the War on Iraq was all the expensive, given that the cost was only about 1% of the GDP.
Christ, is that what it has come downto?
I saw an interview today with the new Commander of the Middle East Theater stating that it was not a civil war in Iraq, it was just "factions fighting."
God, what a clusterfuck Iraq has become. Now were are expected to believe that all we have to do is be patient and everything will be all right. I even saw a report that stated the the War on Iraq was all the expensive, given that the cost was only about 1% of the GDP.
Christ, is that what it has come downto?
.morg said:
WS,
Know what you mean. I was watching frontline on pbs they had a segment on Al Jazeera. Think I'll start checking in daily for a different point of view.
Good Luck with your offical biz tomorrow.
Know what you mean. I was watching frontline on pbs they had a segment on Al Jazeera. Think I'll start checking in daily for a different point of view.
Good Luck with your offical biz tomorrow.
WSClark said:
On WE Blog tonight.....
"I call you by your screen name and I expected to be called by my screen name, not someone elses." - Republican.
This is from the Blogger that referred to me as "Heevie" with his very first post addressed to me.
Hypocrisy, thy name is Republican.
And they wonder why we boycotted?
"I call you by your screen name and I expected to be called by my screen name, not someone elses." - Republican.
This is from the Blogger that referred to me as "Heevie" with his very first post addressed to me.
Hypocrisy, thy name is Republican.
And they wonder why we boycotted?
Predestined said:
Just wanted to let LH and WS know that I'm watching Keith right now and will watch Real Time at midnight.
Once again, persistence pays off.
I'll report back tomorrow, sirs. ::saluting::
Once again, persistence pays off.
I'll report back tomorrow, sirs. ::saluting::
WSClark said:
Since Dave JM Khan copies and pastes my posts here onto the WE Blog..............
"Admission by WSClark on the Wichita Voice Blog... Khan"
Nope, if you read my posts, Dave, you will see that I have been laughing uproariously about your WE Bloggers today. The post comment was in quotes. Even Fleetwood, with his 63 IQ, could recognize that.
Since you are lurking about, Khan, you never did answer, Khan, why did you refer to me as "Heevie" with your very first post?
"Admission by WSClark on the Wichita Voice Blog... Khan"
Nope, if you read my posts, Dave, you will see that I have been laughing uproariously about your WE Bloggers today. The post comment was in quotes. Even Fleetwood, with his 63 IQ, could recognize that.
Since you are lurking about, Khan, you never did answer, Khan, why did you refer to me as "Heevie" with your very first post?
WSClark said:
If you are lurking about, GMC, I first welcomed Paul to this Blog, but I immediately asked him to back off when he took unwarranted shots at Farm Grrl and Linda Inks.
I asked nicely once.
That is my style - I only ask nicely once.
It is interesting GMC, Khan calls me Heevie, an admitted variation on "Heeb" and also an acknowledged ethnic slur and you "holier than thou" right wingers have no problem with it.
But you want to call me out.
Why are you folks so afraid of me? Yes, I check in on WE Blog periodically. I find it hilarious that GSher and Khan are so fixated on me. Also, I am making a list of liberal posters that I am going to invite to join us over here.
But anyway, since the boycott began, I have not posted on WE Blog. I could care less what you or anyone else thinks of me. Actually, I rather enjoy the hatred directed towards me by Fleet, Khan, GSher, HOG, SOB, Nuts, Sollie and others.
I can assure you that I would never consider any of you to be worth my respect.
You criticize me, but you are more than willing to overlook racial, homophobic and ethnic slurs on your side.
Now, THAT takes gall.
I asked nicely once.
That is my style - I only ask nicely once.
It is interesting GMC, Khan calls me Heevie, an admitted variation on "Heeb" and also an acknowledged ethnic slur and you "holier than thou" right wingers have no problem with it.
But you want to call me out.
Why are you folks so afraid of me? Yes, I check in on WE Blog periodically. I find it hilarious that GSher and Khan are so fixated on me. Also, I am making a list of liberal posters that I am going to invite to join us over here.
But anyway, since the boycott began, I have not posted on WE Blog. I could care less what you or anyone else thinks of me. Actually, I rather enjoy the hatred directed towards me by Fleet, Khan, GSher, HOG, SOB, Nuts, Sollie and others.
I can assure you that I would never consider any of you to be worth my respect.
You criticize me, but you are more than willing to overlook racial, homophobic and ethnic slurs on your side.
Now, THAT takes gall.
WSClark said:
For the WV Bloggers - my last two posts were responses to comments addressed to me on WE Blog........ since they had been checking our comments on this blog and I will NOT post on that Blog, I can only answer direct questions here.
This is sad. The right seems to be very happy to overlook the attacks from their side, but they want o call us out for our return fire.
I am so glad that I joined this boycott and I am so glad that they are not going back.
Just a quick FYI - now the wingnuts are attacking Vaughn Tolle on WE Blog. Check out GMC's comments on WE Blog Open Thread at 1:42 AM today.
There are some that immediately earn respect on the blogs - I would suggest that VT is near the top of the list. I would also include Dr. Huie on that list as well.
As I said, this is sad.
This is sad. The right seems to be very happy to overlook the attacks from their side, but they want o call us out for our return fire.
I am so glad that I joined this boycott and I am so glad that they are not going back.
Just a quick FYI - now the wingnuts are attacking Vaughn Tolle on WE Blog. Check out GMC's comments on WE Blog Open Thread at 1:42 AM today.
There are some that immediately earn respect on the blogs - I would suggest that VT is near the top of the list. I would also include Dr. Huie on that list as well.
As I said, this is sad.
.morg said:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/790409BE-5D...
A must read article, ask yourslf this if you lived in Iraq how would you react?
A must read article, ask yourslf this if you lived in Iraq how would you react?
Predestined said:
.morg, I've heard and read pretty much the same as what's in that article for the last two years. We (the U.S.) have destroyed that country. It's a pity, because if the invasion had been done correctly, there wouldn't be the mess there is.
What do we expect the people of a nation that doesn't have clean drinking water, electricity, medical attention and the basics we take for granted to do? Unemployment there is extremely high. People join the insurgency as a means to fight back against the poverty we've given them. All we had to do was look at our own country to see that poverty and desperation lead to anger and retaliation. It's right there with the gangs.
Yeah, Iraq is FUBAR, and the U.S. can take credit for that.
What do we expect the people of a nation that doesn't have clean drinking water, electricity, medical attention and the basics we take for granted to do? Unemployment there is extremely high. People join the insurgency as a means to fight back against the poverty we've given them. All we had to do was look at our own country to see that poverty and desperation lead to anger and retaliation. It's right there with the gangs.
Yeah, Iraq is FUBAR, and the U.S. can take credit for that.
lindainks55 said:
rm, I think it took "something" for you to admit bush has failings (ref: last night's post of 8:16 pm) SO I will leave alone those places we do differ.
Looking to the future, is there a candidate (announced or speculated) you think has a chance of getting us on better footing economically, diplomatically, and maybe making a dent in the partisanship “hole” we Americans are in. Is there a “Ford” on the horizon anywhere?
I think it will take more than a new president. IMO if the American people get themselves to the polls and actually show our politicians we are paying attention and intend to hold them accountable, we may start to make some progress. But as it is we have Congress filled with less-than-effective and even less-than-capable people who know we aren’t paying enough attention. If they get caught on something they feel pretty confident it won’t be remembered long enough to affect the next election. And we’ve proved them right overandover.
Looking to the future, is there a candidate (announced or speculated) you think has a chance of getting us on better footing economically, diplomatically, and maybe making a dent in the partisanship “hole” we Americans are in. Is there a “Ford” on the horizon anywhere?
I think it will take more than a new president. IMO if the American people get themselves to the polls and actually show our politicians we are paying attention and intend to hold them accountable, we may start to make some progress. But as it is we have Congress filled with less-than-effective and even less-than-capable people who know we aren’t paying enough attention. If they get caught on something they feel pretty confident it won’t be remembered long enough to affect the next election. And we’ve proved them right overandover.
lindainks55 said:
Pre, The U.S. can take credit ONLY to the extent that we elected this fool and then allowed he and his to have their way with us and other countries. And isn't it telling that you and I are willing to accept some responsibility (as U.S. citizens) but those who are truly responsible accept none?
rm6046 said:
Linda: I'd like to say that that Chuck Hagel, Bill Richardson and Joe Lieberman are honest and searching for a better direction for this country. I'd "like" to say that ... unfortunately, the only thing I'm sure of is that they're saying the things I want to hear. Are they what what I hope they are, or are they just "slicker" than the rest at appealing to people like me? Certainly, none of the "front runners" names appeal to me, and one, of course, makes me vomit. It's too bad she can't be voted "off the planet" in the ultimate reality show.
lindainks55 said:
I don't know anything about Chuck Hagel, and too little about Bill Richardson. Joe Lieberman has disappointed me and is "out of favor" in my book. It is so early and there is so much time to go, I haven't paid careful attention yet. Some are better known -- warts and all -- so no digging necessary. Or if we dig I suspect we aren’t going to find GOOD, but more discouraging. Usually it’s not the good we need to dig to find. I'm sure hoping we come out of the caucuses and primaries with candidates worthy of being voted FOR. I know America is in need of such. I’m not a huge fan of the way we select the candidates. I’m not a huge fan of the Electoral College. I also think voter fraud is real and makes a mockery of those too few of us who are loyal to voting. So, we have a pile of problems before we even get to the candidates. And I can’t get this question out of my mind: If someone wants to run for public office in today’s world, WHAT IN THE WORLD IS GOPING ON IN THEIR HEAD? I suspect too little…
lindainks55 said:
ooops, should have been: what in the world is GOING on in their head? I still think it might be that not much is going on there. Too many have proven it's little beyond a desire to be powerful and rich...
rm6046 said:
For many, many years, one nagging question has lingered in the back of my mind. Why would anyone, with a lick of sense, spend $20 or $30 million dollars to get a job what pays $175,000 +/- for only six years ... and then have to turn around and do it all over again to keep it?
Is it because it's "other peoples' money"? Or is it because the "under the table" deals more than make up for it? Or is it because power is a better sex trip than "flashin' their wienies" in the City Park?
I don't know what's "GOING on in their head"? Finding out could be interesting, but I suspect we would find it neither pleasant nor enlightening.
Is it because it's "other peoples' money"? Or is it because the "under the table" deals more than make up for it? Or is it because power is a better sex trip than "flashin' their wienies" in the City Park?
I don't know what's "GOING on in their head"? Finding out could be interesting, but I suspect we would find it neither pleasant nor enlightening.
lindainks55 said:
The truth of your comic relief is appreciated and agreed with!
I think someone teaching how to relax as a public speaker advised thinking of the audience wearing only their underwear. I'm now going to picture our "elected officials" flashin' their wienies in the city park. And I think it will help!
Still giggling...
I think someone teaching how to relax as a public speaker advised thinking of the audience wearing only their underwear. I'm now going to picture our "elected officials" flashin' their wienies in the city park. And I think it will help!
Still giggling...
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