Danny said:
Yesterday was fun. Migraines and well they caused me to be sick all day, so I'll leave it up to everyones imagination to get the meaning there. ;)
Today, I'm going to be watching the Mythbusters live for KSU Open House. Probably later tonight play some World of Warcraft or write some code for my own game. Haven't decided fully yet what I plan on doing.
*sarcasm on* How is everyone doing though on this most spectacular of days? *sarcasm off*
Today, I'm going to be watching the Mythbusters live for KSU Open House. Probably later tonight play some World of Warcraft or write some code for my own game. Haven't decided fully yet what I plan on doing.
*sarcasm on* How is everyone doing though on this most spectacular of days? *sarcasm off*
tracyaphillips said:
Danny, as a Mythbusters fan,
I am truly envious.
I'm also a fan of big explosions.
The time they obliterated the cement truck was GREAT!
I am truly envious.
I'm also a fan of big explosions.
The time they obliterated the cement truck was GREAT!
lindainks55 said:
Kurt Vonnegut Jr. Born: November 11, 1922
Indianapolis, Indiana, USA Died: April 11, 2007 (aged 84)
A man who marched to the beat of his own drummer. He was a soldier, a prisoner of war, a novelist, a husband/lover/father/grandfather, lecturer, outspoken and opinionated, -- he will be missed!
With his columns for In These Times, he began a blistering attack on the administration of President George W. Bush and the Iraq war. "By saying that our leaders are power-drunk chimpanzees, am I in danger of wrecking the morale of our soldiers fighting and dying in the Middle East?" he wrote. "Their morale, like so many bodies, is already shot to pieces. They are being treated, as I never was, like toys a rich kid got for Christmas in December."
Speaking at The University of Wisconsin:
http://www.vonnegutweb.com/archives/arc_nice.html" target="_blank">http://www.vonnegutweb.com/archives/arc_nice.html
I realize that some of you may have come in hopes of hearing tips on how to become a professional writer. I say to you, ''If you really want to hurt your parents, and you don’t have the nerve to be a homosexual, the least you can do is go into the arts. But do not use semicolons. They are transvestite hermaphrodites, standing for absolutely nothing. All they do is show you’ve been to college.''
And hey, listen: A sappy woman sent me a letter a few years back. She knew I was sappy, too, which is to say a lifelong northern Democrat in the Franklin Delano Roosevelt mode, a friend of the working stiffs. She was about to have a baby, not mine, and wished to know if it was a bad thing to bring such a sweet and innocent creature into a world as bad as this one is. I replied that what made being alive almost worthwhile for me, besides music, was all the saints I met, who could be anywhere. By saints I meant people who behaved decently in a strikingly indecent society. Perhaps some of you are or will become saints for her child to meet.
You and the police are entitled to know, since I am going to spend the night near you, that I am both a Humanist and a Luddite. I may hold a Black Mass in the parking garage of the Best Western Hotel, if I can find a neo-conservative baby to sacrifice.
Do you know what a Humanist is? I am honorary president of the American Humanist Association, having succeeded the late, great science fiction writer Isaac Asimov in that functionless capacity. We Humanists try to behave well without any expectation of rewards or punishments in an afterlife. We serve as best we can the only abstraction with which we have any real familiarity, which is our community.
To read more about this most amazing man:
http://www.vonnegutweb.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Vonnegut
Indianapolis, Indiana, USA Died: April 11, 2007 (aged 84)
A man who marched to the beat of his own drummer. He was a soldier, a prisoner of war, a novelist, a husband/lover/father/grandfather, lecturer, outspoken and opinionated, -- he will be missed!
With his columns for In These Times, he began a blistering attack on the administration of President George W. Bush and the Iraq war. "By saying that our leaders are power-drunk chimpanzees, am I in danger of wrecking the morale of our soldiers fighting and dying in the Middle East?" he wrote. "Their morale, like so many bodies, is already shot to pieces. They are being treated, as I never was, like toys a rich kid got for Christmas in December."
Speaking at The University of Wisconsin:
http://www.vonnegutweb.com/archives/arc_nice.html" target="_blank">http://www.vonnegutweb.com/archives/arc_nice.html
I realize that some of you may have come in hopes of hearing tips on how to become a professional writer. I say to you, ''If you really want to hurt your parents, and you don’t have the nerve to be a homosexual, the least you can do is go into the arts. But do not use semicolons. They are transvestite hermaphrodites, standing for absolutely nothing. All they do is show you’ve been to college.''
And hey, listen: A sappy woman sent me a letter a few years back. She knew I was sappy, too, which is to say a lifelong northern Democrat in the Franklin Delano Roosevelt mode, a friend of the working stiffs. She was about to have a baby, not mine, and wished to know if it was a bad thing to bring such a sweet and innocent creature into a world as bad as this one is. I replied that what made being alive almost worthwhile for me, besides music, was all the saints I met, who could be anywhere. By saints I meant people who behaved decently in a strikingly indecent society. Perhaps some of you are or will become saints for her child to meet.
You and the police are entitled to know, since I am going to spend the night near you, that I am both a Humanist and a Luddite. I may hold a Black Mass in the parking garage of the Best Western Hotel, if I can find a neo-conservative baby to sacrifice.
Do you know what a Humanist is? I am honorary president of the American Humanist Association, having succeeded the late, great science fiction writer Isaac Asimov in that functionless capacity. We Humanists try to behave well without any expectation of rewards or punishments in an afterlife. We serve as best we can the only abstraction with which we have any real familiarity, which is our community.
To read more about this most amazing man:
http://www.vonnegutweb.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Vonnegut
Danny said:
Tracy,
I'm a huge Mythbusters fan. So when I found out they were going to be doing something at KSU, well I was there, no matter what the weather was like. One of those rare opportunities and I had to take it.
Linda,
Recall a few days ago when I said I decided not to post that really long writeup about one of those heavy topics. I went ahead and finished writing it. It is strictly my opinion, and my arguments for something I truly do believe in. However, I'm still not certain I'm ready to share that with the world.
I'm a huge Mythbusters fan. So when I found out they were going to be doing something at KSU, well I was there, no matter what the weather was like. One of those rare opportunities and I had to take it.
Linda,
Recall a few days ago when I said I decided not to post that really long writeup about one of those heavy topics. I went ahead and finished writing it. It is strictly my opinion, and my arguments for something I truly do believe in. However, I'm still not certain I'm ready to share that with the world.
lindainks55 said:
Danny, First, I'm sorry to hear you suffered yesterday. I had a headache once, and they aren't any fun. I have enjoyed incredibly good health to the extent I am the world's biggest wuss when it comes to pain. Never having worked up to this by bearing little pains and building to moderate pains, I cringe and moan and groan about what others wouldn't even recognize. I've been fighting some health concerns recently and I AM A BIG BABY! I've always been so capable and life has never held any physical limits so I've been having a private pity party. My mind is getting better and I think that will make by body better eventually.
I like MythBusters too! Not as much as my hubby. I think every adult must admire men who can make a living at playing and blowing things up and... Men and boys and their toys. Women who say they don't admire them must just be jealous or TOO grown up or something.
Now on your writing on a heavy topic based on your personal strong belief -- it is yours and NO ONE has a right to be less than respectful of your beliefs and opinions. We may disagree either quietly or by telling you, but if anyone is critical of you holding your personal TRUTH (see Tracy's excellent discussion post!) just ignore them. They just haven't learned that each person in the universe deserves to be treated with dignity. Maybe a person who thinks they possess the ONLY truth will grow and learn or maybe they'll hold firm. Again, not mine to judge! But let me assure you I (and I think I can speak for many of the posters here at Wichita Voice) KNOW FOR A FACT that each person comes to their own truth and has every right to it!
So post what you want when you want!
And we expect a report on seeing the MythBusters in person.
I like MythBusters too! Not as much as my hubby. I think every adult must admire men who can make a living at playing and blowing things up and... Men and boys and their toys. Women who say they don't admire them must just be jealous or TOO grown up or something.
Now on your writing on a heavy topic based on your personal strong belief -- it is yours and NO ONE has a right to be less than respectful of your beliefs and opinions. We may disagree either quietly or by telling you, but if anyone is critical of you holding your personal TRUTH (see Tracy's excellent discussion post!) just ignore them. They just haven't learned that each person in the universe deserves to be treated with dignity. Maybe a person who thinks they possess the ONLY truth will grow and learn or maybe they'll hold firm. Again, not mine to judge! But let me assure you I (and I think I can speak for many of the posters here at Wichita Voice) KNOW FOR A FACT that each person comes to their own truth and has every right to it!
So post what you want when you want!
And we expect a report on seeing the MythBusters in person.
Gster said:
I've never seen nor heard anything about "Mythbusters". ??
P.S. Does this mean I'm going to Hell?
P.S. Does this mean I'm going to Hell?
Danny said:
Linda,
What I have is long, generally well written, and completely my reasoning on something I believe in deeply. So much so, I "attack" my allies on the subject because I'm more pissed at them for various reasons in most cases.
On a much lighter note though, I may make my website available here eventually, once I am comfortable with letting more people choose if they want to play a friend card game with friends, and new people alike at some point.
What I have is long, generally well written, and completely my reasoning on something I believe in deeply. So much so, I "attack" my allies on the subject because I'm more pissed at them for various reasons in most cases.
On a much lighter note though, I may make my website available here eventually, once I am comfortable with letting more people choose if they want to play a friend card game with friends, and new people alike at some point.
tracyaphillips said:
Gster, Mythbusters is sooo cool.
Greatest thing since they took Junk-yard Wars off the air.
Greatest thing since they took Junk-yard Wars off the air.
Gster said:
I got tangled up with Mythbusters and the game Danny referred to. I guess I'm not going to Hell, at least not right now.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Mythbusters is a favorite of mine; really enjoy the things they do to "bust myths".
Chuckling to myself, as I checked in on the weather the younger is experiencing; we're concerned about a little snow; where she's at, the reports are they had 8" to 12" last night, with another big storm brewing for Sunday/Monday (the one we're experiencing now combining with a developing Low East of here). And she used to complain about our snows, etc.
Chuckling to myself, as I checked in on the weather the younger is experiencing; we're concerned about a little snow; where she's at, the reports are they had 8" to 12" last night, with another big storm brewing for Sunday/Monday (the one we're experiencing now combining with a developing Low East of here). And she used to complain about our snows, etc.
lindainks55 said:
Danny, I would take exception if you thought there was no other way than yours to look at your subject. And you felt you had the right to decide and judge. I would take exception if you thought another person (who held a different belief) was less in any way or wrong or misguided. Even if they are wrong or misguided, it isn't yours to decide or judge. I think those who set themselves up to be judge have (at least) an inflated ego. I think God (whatever that might mean to each individual) is able to see that and doesn't think highly of it either. Furthermore, I will be held responsible for me. You will be held responsible for you. Etc., etc.
So again I say, post what you want, when you want. Just don't try to set your personal beliefs up as the only truth or push them off on me. I have a mind. I will consider all sources and choose my own personal beliefs.
So again I say, post what you want, when you want. Just don't try to set your personal beliefs up as the only truth or push them off on me. I have a mind. I will consider all sources and choose my own personal beliefs.
lindainks55 said:
but, but, but, Vaughn! This is Kansas, not Maine! You mean I can't complain about the weather? I'm an equal opportunity complainer. I complain when its too hot, too cold, too KANSAS!
Could this be one of those times when experts point to weather events in telling us one affect on our weather caused by Global Warming. And also one of those times those who disagree and still haven't discovered the difference in weather and climate point out as proof of their position?
Could this be one of those times when experts point to weather events in telling us one affect on our weather caused by Global Warming. And also one of those times those who disagree and still haven't discovered the difference in weather and climate point out as proof of their position?
Vaughn Tolle said:
Linda, you, I, and anyone else may certainly complain about our weather here in Kansas; I'm complaining right now about the cooler weather we've had lately which, combined with the building renovation, has me sitting here wondering when it's going to warm up! I also am an equal opportunity complainer, do it daily! :-)
Yes, I believe this is such a time. Speaking of climate change vs. weather events, I have noted that there has been "lake effect" snow this Spring, due to, as I understand it, the Great Lakes being warmer and not freezing, allowing the cold air to blow across the lakes with snow resulting. I'm no meterologist, but I do not recall much discussion in the past of lake effect snow at any time other than late Fall, early Winter, occurring before the water in the lakes had cooled. Ask the Cleveland Indians about this; home games have been moved to Milwaukee due to the snow at Jacobs Field.
Yes, I believe this is such a time. Speaking of climate change vs. weather events, I have noted that there has been "lake effect" snow this Spring, due to, as I understand it, the Great Lakes being warmer and not freezing, allowing the cold air to blow across the lakes with snow resulting. I'm no meterologist, but I do not recall much discussion in the past of lake effect snow at any time other than late Fall, early Winter, occurring before the water in the lakes had cooled. Ask the Cleveland Indians about this; home games have been moved to Milwaukee due to the snow at Jacobs Field.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Forgot to add this to my 11:50 post:
Even the Mainers are complaining (except the ski area operators at Sugarloaf and Sunday River) about the Spring snows. The DJ on WMHB was just talking about the 16" on her porch this morning and how that was hindering her in beginning the Spring cleanup of the yard, etc., and the fact that Mud Season would be ending later this year.
Even the Mainers are complaining (except the ski area operators at Sugarloaf and Sunday River) about the Spring snows. The DJ on WMHB was just talking about the 16" on her porch this morning and how that was hindering her in beginning the Spring cleanup of the yard, etc., and the fact that Mud Season would be ending later this year.
lindainks55 said:
I am one sick puppy! I take pleasure in seeing people like Wolfowitz being held accounatable for SOMETHING! There are more reasons to hold his feet to the fire, but I'll take what I can get.
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=303545...
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=303545...
Vaughn Tolle said:
BTW, for anyone who will be taking advantage of the "extra day" for the filing of their income tax returns, thank those few New England states (and DC) that celebrate Patriots' Day (normally noted by me as the day the Boston Marathon is run).
lindainks55 said:
"The Zone is officially known as the international zone, a less inflammatory label that suggests non-U.S. control, but everyone knows the truth.
"As for the Green Zone itself, at various points in the past four years, we have heard pledges that the United States would reduce its presence there, even while it builds its largest Embassy in the universe and mans a Pentagon-like military headquarters.
"What is more, the U.S. military says that intelligence had early warning of such an attack and was in the course of making changes in security. Still, it was unable to prevent the suicide killer."
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/earlywarning/2007/0...
"As for the Green Zone itself, at various points in the past four years, we have heard pledges that the United States would reduce its presence there, even while it builds its largest Embassy in the universe and mans a Pentagon-like military headquarters.
"What is more, the U.S. military says that intelligence had early warning of such an attack and was in the course of making changes in security. Still, it was unable to prevent the suicide killer."
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/earlywarning/2007/0...
Vaughn Tolle said:
A bit more on Mr. Wolfowitz and his current predicment; World Bank employees are calling for his resignation.
http://money.cnn.com/2007/04/13/news/international...?
http://money.cnn.com/2007/04/13/news/international...?
Danny said:
Linda and all,
You will certainly get my report on the Mythbusters. :D I'm just stoked about getting to see them in person. Not to mention see what some of my former classmates have been up to with some of their research projects. Always fun to see what different people come up with.
You will certainly get my report on the Mythbusters. :D I'm just stoked about getting to see them in person. Not to mention see what some of my former classmates have been up to with some of their research projects. Always fun to see what different people come up with.
Gster said:
Someone recently posted about learning Clapton's unplugged version of Layla. In Garyland , where I live, tomorrow's weather pronosticle sucks, so I think I'll give it a try, too. It ony takes about a 6 pack to tune me up, and the guitar fends for itself.
If anyone want a place to get the music and words for a bunch of songs, go to chordie.com , if I recall correctly. It's a wikipedia for musicians.
I think I'm starting to grow gills!
If anyone want a place to get the music and words for a bunch of songs, go to chordie.com , if I recall correctly. It's a wikipedia for musicians.
I think I'm starting to grow gills!
Danny said:
My question is, why does it have to rain so? Though I know we need rain. Really why does the rain have to be so cold? I'd much prefer snow over freezing cold rain any day of the week. Hehe.
tracyaphillips said:
Dan, didn't you mention sumpin about math being able to explain everything.
Anyway, are you a Hawking fan?
Anyway, are you a Hawking fan?
Danny said:
Tracy,
Yeah, mathematics I think probably could. It doesn't yet though. But oh well, thats just what I've seen of it so far. Fun stuff.
Yeah, mathematics I think probably could. It doesn't yet though. But oh well, thats just what I've seen of it so far. Fun stuff.
Danny said:
Tracy,
I hit add comment before I was done typing. I really like alot of what Steven Hawking has done. Simply amazing work there.
I hit add comment before I was done typing. I really like alot of what Steven Hawking has done. Simply amazing work there.
tracyaphillips said:
Reading Hawking makes me believe there is a God.
The more we learn,
the more we realize how little we know.
The more we learn,
the more we realize how little we know.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Tracy, truer words never spoken.
Danny, I think that mathematics might be able to explain all physical phenomena eventually. Dad brag coming: the elder one (Math major undergrad) was working on a computational model of some protein for the purpose of determining what might happen in the protein folding process as a part of her Biomedical Engineering graduate work (before the funding was cut off, that is). I just repeat the words, and have likely mangled the rote explanation I just attempted. Hope this was somewhat clear.
Hawking is a true genius.
Danny, I think that mathematics might be able to explain all physical phenomena eventually. Dad brag coming: the elder one (Math major undergrad) was working on a computational model of some protein for the purpose of determining what might happen in the protein folding process as a part of her Biomedical Engineering graduate work (before the funding was cut off, that is). I just repeat the words, and have likely mangled the rote explanation I just attempted. Hope this was somewhat clear.
Hawking is a true genius.
Danny said:
Tracy,
I know what you mean about reading Hawking. I think I said on the Bailey post from you today(I think it was today), but it seems as we answer some of the older hard questions we end up with a new set of hard questions to ask. Quantum Physics is a good example of some of the older hard questions leading to new hard questions. So it makes me wonder, do the questions ever end?
Back to Hawking, when I read what work he has done, I come to the same conclusion of wondering if there is a God. Mind you I practice a particular religion and actually question whether or not there is a God. I don't practice it out of fear(as in a just in case God exists), but more the true teachings of that religion. From my own study of physics, I've also come to the same conclusion, maybe there is a God. Then I get to ask myself all sorts of interesting questions. Thats what this world is all about curiosity and asking: why, how, what, when, and who.
So, mathematics. Did you know that if you have a series of successive two-dimensional images, and you know the distance between where each of these images was taken, that you can recreate a representation of the three-dimensional world in which the images were taken? Plucker coordinate systems for those wondering what that was all about. This is what I did for my senior year robotics projects at KSU. To do this, I needed to find edges in the images, find my vanishing points to find the image center, know how far my robot moved, and then extrapolate object distance and sizes and make a 3d-Virtual Reality map(VRML) of what I had seen. Yeah, it took a whole year.
I know what you mean about reading Hawking. I think I said on the Bailey post from you today(I think it was today), but it seems as we answer some of the older hard questions we end up with a new set of hard questions to ask. Quantum Physics is a good example of some of the older hard questions leading to new hard questions. So it makes me wonder, do the questions ever end?
Back to Hawking, when I read what work he has done, I come to the same conclusion of wondering if there is a God. Mind you I practice a particular religion and actually question whether or not there is a God. I don't practice it out of fear(as in a just in case God exists), but more the true teachings of that religion. From my own study of physics, I've also come to the same conclusion, maybe there is a God. Then I get to ask myself all sorts of interesting questions. Thats what this world is all about curiosity and asking: why, how, what, when, and who.
So, mathematics. Did you know that if you have a series of successive two-dimensional images, and you know the distance between where each of these images was taken, that you can recreate a representation of the three-dimensional world in which the images were taken? Plucker coordinate systems for those wondering what that was all about. This is what I did for my senior year robotics projects at KSU. To do this, I needed to find edges in the images, find my vanishing points to find the image center, know how far my robot moved, and then extrapolate object distance and sizes and make a 3d-Virtual Reality map(VRML) of what I had seen. Yeah, it took a whole year.
Nathan said:
So Linda,
When are you going to start respecting Geroge Bush's truth of supporting the war in Iraq?
When are you going to stop judging his truth on the war in Iraq?
When are you going to start treating Bush with dignity?
When are you going to start respecting Geroge Bush's truth of supporting the war in Iraq?
When are you going to stop judging his truth on the war in Iraq?
When are you going to start treating Bush with dignity?
Danny said:
VT,
Stanford does a distributed computing model based on protein folding. I participate in this project, in so far as running the software on my computer when I'm not using it. Very interesting use of math and for a good cause.
It is extremely computationally expensive, and takes two to three weeks to complete one work unit, which isn't an entire protein fold, just part of one(assuming I understood what they do correctly).
If interested, you may want to look at:
folding.stanford.edu
I made a team page for those interested here at the WV blog if want to do it as a team. They don't give out email addresses and they aren't even required. Just setup as a screensaver and let the computer number crunch during its free time. LOL
Stanford does a distributed computing model based on protein folding. I participate in this project, in so far as running the software on my computer when I'm not using it. Very interesting use of math and for a good cause.
It is extremely computationally expensive, and takes two to three weeks to complete one work unit, which isn't an entire protein fold, just part of one(assuming I understood what they do correctly).
If interested, you may want to look at:
folding.stanford.edu
I made a team page for those interested here at the WV blog if want to do it as a team. They don't give out email addresses and they aren't even required. Just setup as a screensaver and let the computer number crunch during its free time. LOL
Wendy said:
Okay, I was going to post a smartass response to Nathan, but instead I am just going to ignore him.
I am too much of a right-brain person for the whole mathematics thing. Just not my forte. Start talking about sociology or criminology or any of those things and I will be right there in the thick of it with you(yes, dad, that college degree was good for something :)) but otherwise, I'm afraid you lost me some time ago :)
I am too much of a right-brain person for the whole mathematics thing. Just not my forte. Start talking about sociology or criminology or any of those things and I will be right there in the thick of it with you(yes, dad, that college degree was good for something :)) but otherwise, I'm afraid you lost me some time ago :)
Danny said:
Wendy,
I'm not going to ignore Nathan, as I know I hold some of the same views he has.
About sociology and criminology. I had two degrees Computer Science and Criminal Justice. Minored in physics and math. A damned over-achiever in one aspect I suppose, but all of those things interest me, so it wasn't bad.
Nathan,
I respect Linda's opinion to disagree with Bush. Much like I disagreed with the war from the beginning, however, I respect Bush's opinion to do what he thinks is right, however, I disagree with there being no deadline for troop withdraw. By that I mean, no deadlines on accomplishing certain tasks which as completed work toward the goal of withdraw. Now this could be a perceived lack of deadline, and since I am not nor have been in Iraq I don't know the facts. So much of my judgement is based completely on what I have heard and read in the media.
I'm not going to ignore Nathan, as I know I hold some of the same views he has.
About sociology and criminology. I had two degrees Computer Science and Criminal Justice. Minored in physics and math. A damned over-achiever in one aspect I suppose, but all of those things interest me, so it wasn't bad.
Nathan,
I respect Linda's opinion to disagree with Bush. Much like I disagreed with the war from the beginning, however, I respect Bush's opinion to do what he thinks is right, however, I disagree with there being no deadline for troop withdraw. By that I mean, no deadlines on accomplishing certain tasks which as completed work toward the goal of withdraw. Now this could be a perceived lack of deadline, and since I am not nor have been in Iraq I don't know the facts. So much of my judgement is based completely on what I have heard and read in the media.
longhorn said:
So where are the Operation Rescue, stem cell research trolls today? There is a stem cell research thread over at the WEBlog.
Why are Sooner Red, Fundie, Aaron S, and others not trolling THAT thread like they did this blog?
Hypocrits? I think so. Perhaps it was just US they wanted to irritate?
Damned hypocrits.]
And speaking of which, why is Nathan posting here? No one to argue with himself over there? heheheheheheheh
Or is he just another troll looking for trouble?
Thank goodness he has to keep on posting here because you all wont give him the attention he craves! It makes the WEBlog so much nicer when he is over here...
Why are Sooner Red, Fundie, Aaron S, and others not trolling THAT thread like they did this blog?
Hypocrits? I think so. Perhaps it was just US they wanted to irritate?
Damned hypocrits.]
And speaking of which, why is Nathan posting here? No one to argue with himself over there? heheheheheheheh
Or is he just another troll looking for trouble?
Thank goodness he has to keep on posting here because you all wont give him the attention he craves! It makes the WEBlog so much nicer when he is over here...
Danny said:
LH,
Welcome back! Though I may take offense to being called a troll. Since I assume that I might be in that category. Though I do hope not.
Welcome back! Though I may take offense to being called a troll. Since I assume that I might be in that category. Though I do hope not.
tracyaphillips said:
I'll respect Mr. Bush as a son, father, husband, brother, and fellow human being.
Presidential respect is entirely different.
I respectfully decline to agree with him on several major issues.
I'm not sure you could dent his dignity with MOAB.
Presidential respect is entirely different.
I respectfully decline to agree with him on several major issues.
I'm not sure you could dent his dignity with MOAB.
lindainks55 said:
Good to see you longhorn!
Guess it's hard to farm in this weather? Just a guess...
I read the Eagle so know there is a WEBlog thread about embryonic stem cell research. I don't go to WEBlog. Federal funding of ALL types of stem cell research is in the near future! And, everyone will benefit from the cures and treatments -- no matter how much they argue against it today. It's a good world, and will get even better sooooon!
Guess it's hard to farm in this weather? Just a guess...
I read the Eagle so know there is a WEBlog thread about embryonic stem cell research. I don't go to WEBlog. Federal funding of ALL types of stem cell research is in the near future! And, everyone will benefit from the cures and treatments -- no matter how much they argue against it today. It's a good world, and will get even better sooooon!
Vaughn Tolle said:
lh, just looked at the radar here in ICT; looks like you might be having a bit of snow, if not now, soon. Hope this finds you well.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Gster, according to the official NWS site, .52" as of 12:53 pm (at the airport); there should be another update soon, as they seem to do it in 3 hr intervals on precipitation.
tracyaphillips said:
I hope they show Slaughterhouse Five soon.
I know I'm getting old.
I can't remember the name of the gorgeous starlett that ran around topless in that movie.
Out to pasture with me.
See ya'll tommorrow.
I know I'm getting old.
I can't remember the name of the gorgeous starlett that ran around topless in that movie.
Out to pasture with me.
See ya'll tommorrow.
Wendy said:
Danny,
The reason I am ignoring Nathan has more to do with his behavior towards Linda on another thread, which openly shows him to be a hypocrit. That is why he posted what he did, hoping to get a rise out of some posters on her. And THAT is why I am ignoring him. It has nothing to do with his opinions and everything to do with his behavior.
That said, I do respect your right to your opinion, whether I agree with it or not. I respect your right to disagree with me if you do so. I do want you and everyone else to know that I am not a Democrat, although many people like to place me in that section. I may have some very liberal viewpoints, but I also have some pretty conservative ones. So I don't consider myself party affiliated. I agree to disagree with anyone on any topic :)
The reason I am ignoring Nathan has more to do with his behavior towards Linda on another thread, which openly shows him to be a hypocrit. That is why he posted what he did, hoping to get a rise out of some posters on her. And THAT is why I am ignoring him. It has nothing to do with his opinions and everything to do with his behavior.
That said, I do respect your right to your opinion, whether I agree with it or not. I respect your right to disagree with me if you do so. I do want you and everyone else to know that I am not a Democrat, although many people like to place me in that section. I may have some very liberal viewpoints, but I also have some pretty conservative ones. So I don't consider myself party affiliated. I agree to disagree with anyone on any topic :)
Wendy said:
oh, and Danny - I got totally sucked in to Mythbusters while I was on maternity leave with my son... haven't watched it in a while (having an active toddler tends to take away your TV viewing time) but I am jealous that you get to see it live!
Danny said:
Wendy,
Totally understand Wendy. My memory is very short term when it isn't something that is affecting me at the moment. LOL So, I tend to forget things way too quickly. I also agree with you, I may disagree with anybody on anything at any time, but you know something I respect their opinions. I'm not out to sit down and tell someone, you're going to burn in hell for supporting XY or Z just because I think it's wrong. I'll share my reasons for it, I'll provide my evidence on what formed my reasons for it, and call it good.
Totally understand Wendy. My memory is very short term when it isn't something that is affecting me at the moment. LOL So, I tend to forget things way too quickly. I also agree with you, I may disagree with anybody on anything at any time, but you know something I respect their opinions. I'm not out to sit down and tell someone, you're going to burn in hell for supporting XY or Z just because I think it's wrong. I'll share my reasons for it, I'll provide my evidence on what formed my reasons for it, and call it good.
lindainks55 said:
PLUS, it would be good to remember that one's personal beliefs and opinions can't always be what is used in our professional lives. We're hired to do a job and our boss(es) get to direct our on-the-job actions. Our choice is do our job the way our bosses expect or look for another job. On top of that each job has "rules." Some would be in the form of a handbook, others maybe the Constitution.
IN MY OPINION Nathan is not someone I want to talk with and guess what? I get to decide who I speak with!
Good to see you WSClark! Feels good in here!
IN MY OPINION Nathan is not someone I want to talk with and guess what? I get to decide who I speak with!
Good to see you WSClark! Feels good in here!
lindainks55 said:
My rain gauge has ONE FULL INCH -- 13th & Tyler. And, I'm totally wet in order to go outside and check that out.
Nathan said:
Wendy,
Actually my post was to point out the inconsistency in Linda's statement about dignity, respect, and whatnot when it came to how many here regard President Bush.
In our many discussions here, so far WS Clark and Linda both have said far more disrespectful, mean, and hateful comments about myself than I have ever made about either of them.
Since, I have tried to address my posts only to the subject matter and they continue to "ignore" me.
That is fine. I will continue to show the inconsistency and flaws in your statements regardless of if you choose to try to defend them or not.
Actually my post was to point out the inconsistency in Linda's statement about dignity, respect, and whatnot when it came to how many here regard President Bush.
In our many discussions here, so far WS Clark and Linda both have said far more disrespectful, mean, and hateful comments about myself than I have ever made about either of them.
Since, I have tried to address my posts only to the subject matter and they continue to "ignore" me.
That is fine. I will continue to show the inconsistency and flaws in your statements regardless of if you choose to try to defend them or not.
Nathan said:
Wendy,
If you are going to call me a hypocrite, I suggest you first gain an understanding of what the word means and then back it up with something called evidence.
I am no hypocrite.
If you are going to call me a hypocrite, I suggest you first gain an understanding of what the word means and then back it up with something called evidence.
I am no hypocrite.
Danny said:
Linda,
I agree. :D Bosses seem to have that affect on me as well. Such power of persuasion.
I agree. :D Bosses seem to have that affect on me as well. Such power of persuasion.
tracyaphillips said:
Nathan, why don't ya' quit picking fights?
It's obvious you have a problem.
Evidence?
I decided to be nice to you, and it upset you.
Sumpin' about patronizing?
Hell, I've actually agreed with you on other things in the past and you've continued to find fault with me agreeing with you.
That's not normal behavior.
And now you wanna follow Linda's posts, with the sole purpose of looking for, and supposedly exposing hypocrisy?
That's not normal behavior.
It's obvious you have a problem.
Evidence?
I decided to be nice to you, and it upset you.
Sumpin' about patronizing?
Hell, I've actually agreed with you on other things in the past and you've continued to find fault with me agreeing with you.
That's not normal behavior.
And now you wanna follow Linda's posts, with the sole purpose of looking for, and supposedly exposing hypocrisy?
That's not normal behavior.
lindainks55 said:
He seems to have an extremely strong need to straighten (at least) me out and bring me along to somewhere... :-) He's young and I assume fit so he can follow all he wants. Kinda reminds me of the dog chasing the car. What in the world is he gonna do with it after he catches it!? It is an impossible task to bring me around to his way of thinking. His tirades have kept me laughing. Especially when he goes off on the search for what "is" is! Don't you know he loves the company of THAT sentence? Funny, funny boy.
tracyaphillips said:
Good morning, Ms. Inks.
Check out this NY Times article.
Makes me angry that these "Imams" are associated with ANY religion.
These assholes should be deported immediately.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/14/opinion/14zumwal...
Check out this NY Times article.
Makes me angry that these "Imams" are associated with ANY religion.
These assholes should be deported immediately.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/14/opinion/14zumwal...
Danny said:
Good morning,
I won't be on too much today, but I thought I'd mention what seeing the Mythbusters was like. It was more question and answer, but they showed a few clips that were all ready for production, but never made the air because Discovery didn't like the word "fart."
They are just as funny in person as they are on TV. The only one with anything resembling a science degree is Grant(Electrical Engineering), the rest: Adam(Highschool Diploma), Jamie(Russian degree), Kari(Arts degree), and I forget what they said Tory had.
Kari was asked to someone's highschool prom. She didn't exactly say no. Grant was asked to attend a robotics meet, and if he didn't have to be in Boston today, he would have gone. So he asked when a future one was and plans on making a trip back. That was cool.
Further, I found out how to become a Mythbuster, so perhaps I may just have to try for that. All in all, it wasn't what I expected, but at the same time it was still quite entertaining.
I won't be on too much today, but I thought I'd mention what seeing the Mythbusters was like. It was more question and answer, but they showed a few clips that were all ready for production, but never made the air because Discovery didn't like the word "fart."
They are just as funny in person as they are on TV. The only one with anything resembling a science degree is Grant(Electrical Engineering), the rest: Adam(Highschool Diploma), Jamie(Russian degree), Kari(Arts degree), and I forget what they said Tory had.
Kari was asked to someone's highschool prom. She didn't exactly say no. Grant was asked to attend a robotics meet, and if he didn't have to be in Boston today, he would have gone. So he asked when a future one was and plans on making a trip back. That was cool.
Further, I found out how to become a Mythbuster, so perhaps I may just have to try for that. All in all, it wasn't what I expected, but at the same time it was still quite entertaining.
tracyaphillips said:
Thanks Dan.
I saw the episode where they put Adam in a bathtub with a device they made to collect flatuence.
They then tested the farts with a spectrometer to see exactly what gases it contained.
I believe the myth they were busting was where a guy supposedly farted so much in a small room that it killed him while he slept.
Myth busted. No way possible.
I saw the episode where they put Adam in a bathtub with a device they made to collect flatuence.
They then tested the farts with a spectrometer to see exactly what gases it contained.
I believe the myth they were busting was where a guy supposedly farted so much in a small room that it killed him while he slept.
Myth busted. No way possible.
lindainks55 said:
Thanks for sharing Danny. Interesting about the areas of study and degrees held by the Mythbuster crew. Supports my theory of education -- what your education concentrated on should be the springboard and in no way limiting. These people all know how to learn and are open to failure along the way, and I think that's the most important part of education.
Some of my kids and grandkids are BIG in robotics. My oldest daughter has been teaching robotics courses at WSU (in the College of Education) for many years. I enjoy watching. Children learn so much when they think it's fun! http://education.wichita.edu/mindstorms/
Some of my kids and grandkids are BIG in robotics. My oldest daughter has been teaching robotics courses at WSU (in the College of Education) for many years. I enjoy watching. Children learn so much when they think it's fun! http://education.wichita.edu/mindstorms/
Wendy said:
1 : a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion
Nathan,
Based on your statements directed towards Linda about BUSH - I am calling you a hypocrit because those statements imply that YOU do not behave that way towards others. i.e. "the appearance of virtue"
Thanks anyways...
Nathan,
Based on your statements directed towards Linda about BUSH - I am calling you a hypocrit because those statements imply that YOU do not behave that way towards others. i.e. "the appearance of virtue"
Thanks anyways...
Wendy said:
Danny,
All in all I still think it would have been cool to be there but it would have been much more entertaining to actually SEE them take on a myth. And how cool would it be to get to be one of them?
I believe, if I remember correctly, they have never claimed anyone on the show to be scientists (I think they stated that Adam and Jamie were special effects artists prior to the show) so even if it was implied, it was never really mis-represented. But in that case, does that mean that these clips are worked out by REAL scientists beforehand and they just "act" out the actual experiment? Or do they really come up with these things on their own?
All in all I still think it would have been cool to be there but it would have been much more entertaining to actually SEE them take on a myth. And how cool would it be to get to be one of them?
I believe, if I remember correctly, they have never claimed anyone on the show to be scientists (I think they stated that Adam and Jamie were special effects artists prior to the show) so even if it was implied, it was never really mis-represented. But in that case, does that mean that these clips are worked out by REAL scientists beforehand and they just "act" out the actual experiment? Or do they really come up with these things on their own?
Danny said:
Wendy,
They do the experiments in full themselves. Generally they work 10 hour days doing these, 5 or 6 days a week.
They do the experiments in full themselves. Generally they work 10 hour days doing these, 5 or 6 days a week.
Danny said:
Linda,
Yes, Mindstorm robots are cool. I have a kit myself. One of my little personal projects with it, is to follow what it sees moving in an image(got the mindstorm camera also). So often, it antagonizes my dog, cat or my kid. LOL
Yes, Mindstorm robots are cool. I have a kit myself. One of my little personal projects with it, is to follow what it sees moving in an image(got the mindstorm camera also). So often, it antagonizes my dog, cat or my kid. LOL
Nathan said:
Wendy,
I bet you stayed up all night trying to stretch that definition so far? Give me a break.
Tracy,
If you havn't noticed, I respond to everyones posts, I am not following Linda around...
Is it still too hard to actuall comment on the topic or do you have to make everything about me?
Typical left...
I bet you stayed up all night trying to stretch that definition so far? Give me a break.
Tracy,
If you havn't noticed, I respond to everyones posts, I am not following Linda around...
Is it still too hard to actuall comment on the topic or do you have to make everything about me?
Typical left...
lindainks55 said:
Bush's "limited government" is to add another layer and try harder to find someone else who might at least share the blame.
http://www.statesman.com/search/content/editorial/...
http://www.statesman.com/search/content/editorial/...
lindainks55 said:
"The Iraqis want America out. Polls say so. Journalists say so. Iraqis we know in America say so. And if we were in their shoes, we would say so."
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/editorialsop...
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/editorialsop...
lindainks55 said:
"Carl Hulse writes in the New York Times: "On Tuesday, President Bush insisted to members of an American Legion post in Virginia that Democratic political maneuvering over a war spending measure would force troops in Iraq to remain overseas longer.
"'This is unacceptable,' the president said. 'It's unacceptable to me, it's unacceptable to our veterans, it's unacceptable to our military families, and it's unacceptable to many in this country.'
"On Wednesday, however, the Pentagon announced that the tours of members of the armed forces serving in Iraq would automatically be extended by three months to accommodate the administration's push to secure Iraq. . . .
"Senate Democrats seized on the troop announcement and the sensational attacks in Baghdad on Thursday as evidence that the president and his inner circle are in denial about what is going on in Iraq."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/links...
"'This is unacceptable,' the president said. 'It's unacceptable to me, it's unacceptable to our veterans, it's unacceptable to our military families, and it's unacceptable to many in this country.'
"On Wednesday, however, the Pentagon announced that the tours of members of the armed forces serving in Iraq would automatically be extended by three months to accommodate the administration's push to secure Iraq. . . .
"Senate Democrats seized on the troop announcement and the sensational attacks in Baghdad on Thursday as evidence that the president and his inner circle are in denial about what is going on in Iraq."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/links...
lindainks55 said:
Pre,
We watched Happy Feet last night. One of our granddaughters stayed the night and shared with us. Such a neat movie! We also watched Pursuit of Happyness. Sad movie with a truly happy ending that inspires us all to work towards making the future brighter. Based on a true story -- makes me want to try harder.
We watched Happy Feet last night. One of our granddaughters stayed the night and shared with us. Such a neat movie! We also watched Pursuit of Happyness. Sad movie with a truly happy ending that inspires us all to work towards making the future brighter. Based on a true story -- makes me want to try harder.
tracyaphillips said:
Nathan, I'd rather make nothing about you.
I'll ignore you now also.
Fair nuff?
That way you can follow my posts and comment how stupid they are etc, and not hafta worry about me saying you're wrong.
Or saying anything at all.
That's what I said kinda, all ya' wanna do is comment for the sake of being annoying?
That's sad.
You've already killed any normal conversation anybody has tried to have with you. If we disagree, you hound us. If we agree, you say we're patronizing.
I don't know what it is you want out of commenting, and have ceased to care.
What's your problem anyway?
I tried to write to you in Iraq, you never even responded. Said you'd get back with me or something.
Not even polite enough to say no thanks, kiss my ass, or anything else.
YOU make everything about you.
I TRIED, to be civil, decent, and even befriend you.
If you think I'm thinking about what you do, say or care about, you're mistaken.
More like I don't think about you at all.
I'll ignore you now also.
Fair nuff?
That way you can follow my posts and comment how stupid they are etc, and not hafta worry about me saying you're wrong.
Or saying anything at all.
That's what I said kinda, all ya' wanna do is comment for the sake of being annoying?
That's sad.
You've already killed any normal conversation anybody has tried to have with you. If we disagree, you hound us. If we agree, you say we're patronizing.
I don't know what it is you want out of commenting, and have ceased to care.
What's your problem anyway?
I tried to write to you in Iraq, you never even responded. Said you'd get back with me or something.
Not even polite enough to say no thanks, kiss my ass, or anything else.
YOU make everything about you.
I TRIED, to be civil, decent, and even befriend you.
If you think I'm thinking about what you do, say or care about, you're mistaken.
More like I don't think about you at all.
Nathan said:
Linda,
Two seperate events, which you are trying to link together.
Yes, the troop deployments are going to be extended. However, if they are not funded, they will be extended further.
Two seperate events, which you are trying to link together.
Yes, the troop deployments are going to be extended. However, if they are not funded, they will be extended further.
tracyaphillips said:
Linda, it's DAMNED STUPID of shrub to keep our boys there.
It's his perfect chance to declare democracy has succeeded, and then get our people the hell outa there.
Only problem is, he didn't give a fart about democracy, kurds being gassed or any humanitarian stuff.
OIL. Period.
Who killed the electric car?
Shrub and his 'base' supporters.
And know that EXTREME idiot is pushing hydrogen fuels?
Why? Because it takes oil to make hydrogen.
Brilliant huh?
Republican war (on science) for oil.
And since shrub is the LOSER in this war,
HE WON'T GET TO WRITE 'VICTORY' INTO HISTORY.
Poor stupid man is getting all the recognition that him and his crooked cronies deserve!
It's his perfect chance to declare democracy has succeeded, and then get our people the hell outa there.
Only problem is, he didn't give a fart about democracy, kurds being gassed or any humanitarian stuff.
OIL. Period.
Who killed the electric car?
Shrub and his 'base' supporters.
And know that EXTREME idiot is pushing hydrogen fuels?
Why? Because it takes oil to make hydrogen.
Brilliant huh?
Republican war (on science) for oil.
And since shrub is the LOSER in this war,
HE WON'T GET TO WRITE 'VICTORY' INTO HISTORY.
Poor stupid man is getting all the recognition that him and his crooked cronies deserve!
lindainks55 said:
Yes Tracy, damned stupid! "Stupid is as stupid does."
"Joseph L. Galloway writes in his opinion column for McClatchy Newspapers: "It will be costly and painful to prolong the war in Iraq for another 21 months so that those who started it can hand off the harder decision of how to end it to the next occupant of the White House.
"President Bush isn't extending and expanding the war in a search for victory. His dream of victory in Iraq cannot be achieved. Not by sending 30,000 more American troops. Not by making parts of Baghdad temporarily safer by billeting American troops in violent neighborhoods and pushing the slaughter into the northern and southern suburbs - or into the Green Zone where U.S. and Iraqi officials live and work.
"Not by letting American soldiers bear the brunt of combat, targeted not only by our enemies, the Sunni Muslim insurgents but also by our supposed allies, the Shiite majority and the murderous militia of radical cleric Moqtada al-Sadr. In March, more American troops died in Iraq than Iraqi soldiers.
"This is a search for a fig leaf to cover the emperor's nakedness - a way for Bush to go home to Texas with a ringing but hollow declaration that 'Iraq wasn't lost on my watch.' . . .
"While the nation's airwaves this past week were filled with the urgent news of who fathered Anna Nicole Smith's baby and the spectacle of Don Imus waving goodbye to his career in broadcasting over racist and sexist remarks on the air, few seemed to notice that 10 more American troops were killed in Iraq over the weekend.
"Ten young soldiers whose lives of service to the nation were terminated in an instant. Ten military sedans rolling up to the doors of families that were devastated by the news of a death in combat. Fathers, mothers, siblings, spouses, young children, fiancees, friends whose hearts were shattered in an instant. . . .
"It was our preemptive invasion of Iraq that loosed the dogs of war there. It was our negligence that set off sectarian slaughter. It is our continued military presence in Iraq -- where a majority wants us to leave now -- that fans the flames of war.
"What if we left, and our departure forced the Shiites, Sunnis, Kurds and others to find some way to live in peace with each other, or at least alongside one another? What if our leaving isn't the worst possible outcome but the best?
"Maybe we'll finally find out after George W. Bush and Dick Cheney go home to Texas and Wyoming, and those whom we choose to succeed them decide to try the one thing that Bush and Cheney have never considered."
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/news/na...
"Joseph L. Galloway writes in his opinion column for McClatchy Newspapers: "It will be costly and painful to prolong the war in Iraq for another 21 months so that those who started it can hand off the harder decision of how to end it to the next occupant of the White House.
"President Bush isn't extending and expanding the war in a search for victory. His dream of victory in Iraq cannot be achieved. Not by sending 30,000 more American troops. Not by making parts of Baghdad temporarily safer by billeting American troops in violent neighborhoods and pushing the slaughter into the northern and southern suburbs - or into the Green Zone where U.S. and Iraqi officials live and work.
"Not by letting American soldiers bear the brunt of combat, targeted not only by our enemies, the Sunni Muslim insurgents but also by our supposed allies, the Shiite majority and the murderous militia of radical cleric Moqtada al-Sadr. In March, more American troops died in Iraq than Iraqi soldiers.
"This is a search for a fig leaf to cover the emperor's nakedness - a way for Bush to go home to Texas with a ringing but hollow declaration that 'Iraq wasn't lost on my watch.' . . .
"While the nation's airwaves this past week were filled with the urgent news of who fathered Anna Nicole Smith's baby and the spectacle of Don Imus waving goodbye to his career in broadcasting over racist and sexist remarks on the air, few seemed to notice that 10 more American troops were killed in Iraq over the weekend.
"Ten young soldiers whose lives of service to the nation were terminated in an instant. Ten military sedans rolling up to the doors of families that were devastated by the news of a death in combat. Fathers, mothers, siblings, spouses, young children, fiancees, friends whose hearts were shattered in an instant. . . .
"It was our preemptive invasion of Iraq that loosed the dogs of war there. It was our negligence that set off sectarian slaughter. It is our continued military presence in Iraq -- where a majority wants us to leave now -- that fans the flames of war.
"What if we left, and our departure forced the Shiites, Sunnis, Kurds and others to find some way to live in peace with each other, or at least alongside one another? What if our leaving isn't the worst possible outcome but the best?
"Maybe we'll finally find out after George W. Bush and Dick Cheney go home to Texas and Wyoming, and those whom we choose to succeed them decide to try the one thing that Bush and Cheney have never considered."
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/news/na...
Nathan said:
Tracy,
There was a period in Iraq where I didn't write anyone for over a month let alone my own family.
Please don't be offended because I didn't write you back.
I was going through some things at the time and being a general bum to everyone, not just you.
There was a period in Iraq where I didn't write anyone for over a month let alone my own family.
Please don't be offended because I didn't write you back.
I was going through some things at the time and being a general bum to everyone, not just you.
tracyaphillips said:
Whose Job Is It, Anyway?
We have long suspected that there is no one in charge of the Iraq war. How else can you explain four years of multifront failures, including President Bush’s most recent plan to order even more American troops to risk their lives there without demanding any political sacrifice or even compromise from Iraq’s leaders? So we were not surprised to hear that White House officials are looking for someone to oversee both Iraq and the faltering Afghanistan war— and not surprised that they were having a tough time filling the job.
National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley told The Times he’d decided that “what we need is someone with a lot of stature within the government who can make things happen.” He said that top official would have the authority to “call any cabinet secretary and get problems resolved, fast.”
The immediate question, of course, is why Mr. Hadley and his team didn’t figure that out a long time ago, preferably when there was still some chance of fixing Iraq’s problems. For that matter, isn’t that what the president’s national security adviser is supposed to be doing in the first place?
Defense Secretary Robert Gates did Mr. Hadley no favor when he described the job as “what Steve Hadley would do if Steve Hadley had the time, but he doesn’t have the time to do it full time.” What could be more deserving of Mr. Hadley’s time than trying to figure out a way to defeat the Taliban in Afghanistan and extricate the country from Iraq?
Perhaps the White House has decided that it needs an outsider to try to salvage the mess created by so many insiders. If so — and if it manages to get someone to take on the task — his or her most important job will be telling President Bush the truth: there is no longer any chance of winning in Iraq, so let’s pull the bureaucracy together and figure out how to get out without leaving total chaos behind.
We have long suspected that there is no one in charge of the Iraq war. How else can you explain four years of multifront failures, including President Bush’s most recent plan to order even more American troops to risk their lives there without demanding any political sacrifice or even compromise from Iraq’s leaders? So we were not surprised to hear that White House officials are looking for someone to oversee both Iraq and the faltering Afghanistan war— and not surprised that they were having a tough time filling the job.
National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley told The Times he’d decided that “what we need is someone with a lot of stature within the government who can make things happen.” He said that top official would have the authority to “call any cabinet secretary and get problems resolved, fast.”
The immediate question, of course, is why Mr. Hadley and his team didn’t figure that out a long time ago, preferably when there was still some chance of fixing Iraq’s problems. For that matter, isn’t that what the president’s national security adviser is supposed to be doing in the first place?
Defense Secretary Robert Gates did Mr. Hadley no favor when he described the job as “what Steve Hadley would do if Steve Hadley had the time, but he doesn’t have the time to do it full time.” What could be more deserving of Mr. Hadley’s time than trying to figure out a way to defeat the Taliban in Afghanistan and extricate the country from Iraq?
Perhaps the White House has decided that it needs an outsider to try to salvage the mess created by so many insiders. If so — and if it manages to get someone to take on the task — his or her most important job will be telling President Bush the truth: there is no longer any chance of winning in Iraq, so let’s pull the bureaucracy together and figure out how to get out without leaving total chaos behind.
WSClark said:
Limited return engagement........
The country will continue to search for a War Czar to address the problems in Iraq and Afghanistan. Despite any input from the Bush Administration, the individual will NOT be selected until November 2008 and will only take office in January 2009.
The individual will most likely be a Democrat and will receive overwhelming approval of the American people.
The new War Czar will receive the title of "President of the United States of American" and will also be known as the "Commander in Chief."
The former War Czar, commonly referred to as George W Bush, will retire to an undisclosed location and will be judged by history to be a fool and a liar.
The United States of America will begin a long and painful healing process in January 2009. Until then, we can only hope and pray that the current War Czar does as little damage as possible.
The country will continue to search for a War Czar to address the problems in Iraq and Afghanistan. Despite any input from the Bush Administration, the individual will NOT be selected until November 2008 and will only take office in January 2009.
The individual will most likely be a Democrat and will receive overwhelming approval of the American people.
The new War Czar will receive the title of "President of the United States of American" and will also be known as the "Commander in Chief."
The former War Czar, commonly referred to as George W Bush, will retire to an undisclosed location and will be judged by history to be a fool and a liar.
The United States of America will begin a long and painful healing process in January 2009. Until then, we can only hope and pray that the current War Czar does as little damage as possible.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Good day, all; hope all are well.
WS, to me, this "War Czar" thing is an attempt to shift responsibility; nothing more, nothing less. I suspect the position might be more attractive if there was any indication at all that the Administration knew what they were doing. I believe the retired USMC General who declined the post and who spoke publicly about it said something to this effect.
On to (for Wichita) more important things; it appears that the Winthrop coach has decided to take the position of Head Men's Basketball Coach at WSU; presser at 1:30 pm today.
WS, to me, this "War Czar" thing is an attempt to shift responsibility; nothing more, nothing less. I suspect the position might be more attractive if there was any indication at all that the Administration knew what they were doing. I believe the retired USMC General who declined the post and who spoke publicly about it said something to this effect.
On to (for Wichita) more important things; it appears that the Winthrop coach has decided to take the position of Head Men's Basketball Coach at WSU; presser at 1:30 pm today.
Nathan said:
Tracy,
Now tell me how much solar, wind, and hydro power currently contribute to the nations consumption.
Now take into account the added burden of powering an entire nations auto industry.
Now you might see why electric cars do not negate our need for oil or coal when the majority of our power comes from both.
Now tell me how much solar, wind, and hydro power currently contribute to the nations consumption.
Now take into account the added burden of powering an entire nations auto industry.
Now you might see why electric cars do not negate our need for oil or coal when the majority of our power comes from both.
lindainks55 said:
Vaughn, Wasn't it super smart of those in charge to order up "basketball weather" for our new coach's visit? May have been the deciding factor. ;-)
Predestined said:
One question re:cars remains. Why is the fuel economy of our cars not set at the same high level (mandated) as those in Europe? If we would make cars with 45 mpg as they are in Europe, we would have enough oil to fuel them without needed ME oil.
This would take a few years, but the sooner we start, the sooner we would be free of foreign oil. Add into that some hybrids, and we could kill two birds with one stone.
If we (U.S.) don't lead the fight in lower fuel consumption, who will? Not that we really are, considering...
This would take a few years, but the sooner we start, the sooner we would be free of foreign oil. Add into that some hybrids, and we could kill two birds with one stone.
If we (U.S.) don't lead the fight in lower fuel consumption, who will? Not that we really are, considering...
Vaughn Tolle said:
Pre, it would be my opinion that the European countries of which you post have set this mileage requirement for at least two reasons: 1) the reduction of oil imports and the corresponding balance of trade issues for the government involved; 2) environmental reasons. I don't have anything specific to post here, links or whatever; this just seems to me to be two logical reasons.
A proposed reason for the difference in attitude: the North American continent was home to petroleum reserves, while the European continent was not (in any large manner).
A proposed reason for the difference in attitude: the North American continent was home to petroleum reserves, while the European continent was not (in any large manner).
Vaughn Tolle said:
Probably correct, Linda; the $750,000 base annual salary (plus incentives) likely had nothing to do with it, nor did the opportunity for higher seeding in the NCAA tournament if/when WSU returns, due to perceived strength of conference.
I feel that protestations to the contrary by the AD and new coach notwithstanding, Mr. Marshall is likely gone within five years, maybe sooner if the South Carolina job opens.
I feel that protestations to the contrary by the AD and new coach notwithstanding, Mr. Marshall is likely gone within five years, maybe sooner if the South Carolina job opens.
Predestined said:
Linda,
I haven't seen The Pursuit of Happiness yet, but I did get it on DVD when it came out. I know from seeing the long trailer that it's going to be heart-wrenching, so I'm building up to it.
I get really emotional while watching movies. When I was fairly young, I saw The King and I with Deborah Kerr and Yul Brynner. I've seen it so many times, I know exactly when I'll start crying---right before the scene where the king dies. Every time, without fail. I cry at the OPENING credits of Steel Magnolias, because the music reminds me of the end. I even cry at the end of Parenthood because it's so neat. (Obviously you don't want to take me to a movie theater. *grin*)
Remember, I'm the woman who sobbed for almost 2 hours after watching Schindler's List the first time and had even read the book before seeing it.
I'm glad PoH has an uplifting ending. For me, that will be the saving grace. I hate it when I get so emotionally involved, but then that's a sure sign of a good movie. A box of tissues will be in my lap.
I haven't seen The Pursuit of Happiness yet, but I did get it on DVD when it came out. I know from seeing the long trailer that it's going to be heart-wrenching, so I'm building up to it.
I get really emotional while watching movies. When I was fairly young, I saw The King and I with Deborah Kerr and Yul Brynner. I've seen it so many times, I know exactly when I'll start crying---right before the scene where the king dies. Every time, without fail. I cry at the OPENING credits of Steel Magnolias, because the music reminds me of the end. I even cry at the end of Parenthood because it's so neat. (Obviously you don't want to take me to a movie theater. *grin*)
Remember, I'm the woman who sobbed for almost 2 hours after watching Schindler's List the first time and had even read the book before seeing it.
I'm glad PoH has an uplifting ending. For me, that will be the saving grace. I hate it when I get so emotionally involved, but then that's a sure sign of a good movie. A box of tissues will be in my lap.
Predestined said:
VT, I agree on your points, but aren't those same things affecting us right now? (Not saying you weren't saying that.)
I don't have the stats either. I just heard it stated last night and the lightbulb over my head lit up---oviously using brainpower not electricity.
I don't have the stats either. I just heard it stated last night and the lightbulb over my head lit up---oviously using brainpower not electricity.
Predestined said:
Danny,
I'm so sorry to hear about your migraine yesterday. My best friend of over 40 years has dealt with them her entire adult life. She says she spends more time sleeping off the drugs she has to often take for them than she does living. Yes, she had one most of the past week. Much of that is due to the variations in barometric pressure. Sounds like yours may have been, too.
I'm so sorry to hear about your migraine yesterday. My best friend of over 40 years has dealt with them her entire adult life. She says she spends more time sleeping off the drugs she has to often take for them than she does living. Yes, she had one most of the past week. Much of that is due to the variations in barometric pressure. Sounds like yours may have been, too.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Yes, Pre, they are now; what I was trying to get at was the attitudinal thing, namely "we've always had the oil..." vs. "we don't have the oil, we have to import..." which, IMHO, has added to a number of issues separate and apart from mileage requirements, such as urban sprawl, the amount of real estate devoted to streets, roadways, parking lots, et al, the idea that "I should be able to park at the door", the general disdain in much of the U.S. to public transportation, etc.
lindainks55 said:
If I were to list my all-time favorite movies most on the list would probably require the box of tissues.
Madame X
To Sir With Love
Four Seasons
Pay It Forward
Have you seen The Bridge To Terabithia? Wayne and I took our two youngest -- 9 and 11 year old granddaughters a few weeks back. We ALL cried -- not just damp eyes, but tears and nose blowing and sniveling for awhile. In fact, although the movie has much to redeem it and tells many valuable stories I don't think I could ever see it again. It had such an impact I could repeat some scenes verbatim after seeing it once. I can recall colors and sounds... POWERFUL movie! We all talked later and brought up the lessons and the good parts. It literally took a long period of silence and sobbing before we were able to talk. My recommendation would be even if knowing something about the movie took away some of the impact, read about it, learn something of the plot, read the book FIRST.
Madame X
To Sir With Love
Four Seasons
Pay It Forward
Have you seen The Bridge To Terabithia? Wayne and I took our two youngest -- 9 and 11 year old granddaughters a few weeks back. We ALL cried -- not just damp eyes, but tears and nose blowing and sniveling for awhile. In fact, although the movie has much to redeem it and tells many valuable stories I don't think I could ever see it again. It had such an impact I could repeat some scenes verbatim after seeing it once. I can recall colors and sounds... POWERFUL movie! We all talked later and brought up the lessons and the good parts. It literally took a long period of silence and sobbing before we were able to talk. My recommendation would be even if knowing something about the movie took away some of the impact, read about it, learn something of the plot, read the book FIRST.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Yes, Linda, the book should be read first.
On the new coach at WSU; this will appear to be snide, so be it. From looking at the official web site of Winthrop and some unofficial sources, Mr. Marshall's recruiting burdens should be made more easy, as it appears his former employer's academic reputation is somewhat higher than WSU's. This may be unfair, and I so admit; but Winthrop looks like a good place to attend college.
On the new coach at WSU; this will appear to be snide, so be it. From looking at the official web site of Winthrop and some unofficial sources, Mr. Marshall's recruiting burdens should be made more easy, as it appears his former employer's academic reputation is somewhat higher than WSU's. This may be unfair, and I so admit; but Winthrop looks like a good place to attend college.
Predestined said:
Linda,
I've read Bridge to Terabithia, but to be honest, I don't plan to see the movie. That doesn't mean I won't. LOL Did you know the book was on banned books lists? Can you believe it?
At one time I wrote (or tried to write) children's books (middle readers, 12 and up, and YA), although that didn't really go anywhere. But I read and read books for those ages. I can recommend several, Bridge would be one of them, of course. :)
I barely remember To Sir, With Love, maybe because I never liked the song? LOL Haven't seen Madame X, but I'll put it on my list, now that you've recommended it. Definitely Four Seasons. Wish I had that one. I bought Pay It Forward, but haven't gotten to it yet. Last count, our DVD's total 183. No telling how many video tapes we have, but we're trying to replace the best and favorite of those with DVD.
I have a Sandra Bullock collection, a John Grisham book-turned-movie collection (still need The Firm), the original Star Wars trilogy, all Harry Potter out so far, and my daughter's Buffy collection of all 7 seasons that aren't even counted in the 183.
Did you see Crash? The one that won the Oscar last year? That's a wower.
Maybe I should take Dubya up on his offer of a new thread about movies? I enjoy hearing what others watch and find new ones I need to see.
I've read Bridge to Terabithia, but to be honest, I don't plan to see the movie. That doesn't mean I won't. LOL Did you know the book was on banned books lists? Can you believe it?
At one time I wrote (or tried to write) children's books (middle readers, 12 and up, and YA), although that didn't really go anywhere. But I read and read books for those ages. I can recommend several, Bridge would be one of them, of course. :)
I barely remember To Sir, With Love, maybe because I never liked the song? LOL Haven't seen Madame X, but I'll put it on my list, now that you've recommended it. Definitely Four Seasons. Wish I had that one. I bought Pay It Forward, but haven't gotten to it yet. Last count, our DVD's total 183. No telling how many video tapes we have, but we're trying to replace the best and favorite of those with DVD.
I have a Sandra Bullock collection, a John Grisham book-turned-movie collection (still need The Firm), the original Star Wars trilogy, all Harry Potter out so far, and my daughter's Buffy collection of all 7 seasons that aren't even counted in the 183.
Did you see Crash? The one that won the Oscar last year? That's a wower.
Maybe I should take Dubya up on his offer of a new thread about movies? I enjoy hearing what others watch and find new ones I need to see.
Predestined said:
Okay, where's Winthrop? And what kind of university/college is it? I'm too lazy to look it up today. Caught the grandkids' colds that I gave to them. Talk about an eye-roller situation. No, seriously, it's not laziness today. I'm slogging through the writing of a book synopsis. I HATE WRITING SYNOPSES.
And, Linda, thanks for correcting me on the Y in Happyness. I remember noticing, but the brain didn't retain well. :)
And, Linda, thanks for correcting me on the Y in Happyness. I remember noticing, but the brain didn't retain well. :)
Predestined said:
I think I gave the wrong impression about Bridge to Terabithia. I LOVED the book! I just don't expect the movie to live up to it. I guess it's the fantasy element and how I think it might be portrayed that bothers me. Still, I will probably give it a try and find out I'm completely wrong.
WSClark said:
I am the only man in history to fall asleep during 9 1/2 Weeks - twice.
Best Movies - Godfather Parts I and II, Deerhunter, Raging Bull, Slingblade, Private Ryan, Traffic.
Most Disappointing Movie After Having Read The Book - One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
Best Movie/Book Combo - Schindler's List.
Best Guilty Pleasure Movie - Pulp Fiction.
Best "Chick Flick" - Steel Magnolias.
Best Tear Jerker Moment - ET comes back to life - don't even try to tell me that scene didn't "get" you.
Best Movies - Godfather Parts I and II, Deerhunter, Raging Bull, Slingblade, Private Ryan, Traffic.
Most Disappointing Movie After Having Read The Book - One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
Best Movie/Book Combo - Schindler's List.
Best Guilty Pleasure Movie - Pulp Fiction.
Best "Chick Flick" - Steel Magnolias.
Best Tear Jerker Moment - ET comes back to life - don't even try to tell me that scene didn't "get" you.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Pre, Winthrop is a public university located in Rock Hill, South Carolina. It's a residential campus, undergrad enrollment of slightly over 5,000, with about 1850 graduate students. It offers Bachelor's and Master's degrees, as well as Specialist's degrees; no doctral degrees granted.
It appears that in the U.S. News rankings, it consistently is ranked in the top ten of regional (in this case, Southern) universities offering a Master's Degree; Princeton Review ranks it among the Best Colleges in America. It seems from my rather cursory review that it is highly thought of in its region academically.
Probably more than you wanted to know; that's my problem ask me what time it is, and I'll tell you how to build the clock, right after I explain how the clock is designed....
It appears that in the U.S. News rankings, it consistently is ranked in the top ten of regional (in this case, Southern) universities offering a Master's Degree; Princeton Review ranks it among the Best Colleges in America. It seems from my rather cursory review that it is highly thought of in its region academically.
Probably more than you wanted to know; that's my problem ask me what time it is, and I'll tell you how to build the clock, right after I explain how the clock is designed....
WSClark said:
Rock Hill is a suburb of Charlotte, North Carolina. Winthrop has access to second tier B'Ball recruits from the Carolina area.
Vaughn Tolle said:
On the theme of movies:
Best: Casablanca, Citizen Kane, Saving Private Ryan;
Ones I will watch over and over (to the disgust of my family): Tora, Tora, Tora; The Longest Day; Sands of Iwo Jima; Flying Leathernecks; (and almost any other WWII related movie).
Biggest tearjerker: ET, for the reason given by WS; second, the end of Easy Rider.
Movie I refuse to watch again: The Sound of Music (have seen it way too many times);
Worst: Night of the Triffids (sp);
Best: Casablanca, Citizen Kane, Saving Private Ryan;
Ones I will watch over and over (to the disgust of my family): Tora, Tora, Tora; The Longest Day; Sands of Iwo Jima; Flying Leathernecks; (and almost any other WWII related movie).
Biggest tearjerker: ET, for the reason given by WS; second, the end of Easy Rider.
Movie I refuse to watch again: The Sound of Music (have seen it way too many times);
Worst: Night of the Triffids (sp);
Vaughn Tolle said:
Adding on:
Guilty pleasures: any movie with Ma and Pa Kettle;
all Mae West or W.C. Fields movies ("My Little Chickadee" a particular favorite);
Movies my wife won't watch with me (other than WWII movies): Marx Brothers.
Guilty pleasures: any movie with Ma and Pa Kettle;
all Mae West or W.C. Fields movies ("My Little Chickadee" a particular favorite);
Movies my wife won't watch with me (other than WWII movies): Marx Brothers.
WSClark said:
Casablanca - one of thee greatest romantic movies, if not the actual best of all time...... Bogart's best performance.
Best Movie that I Thought Would Suck - Titanic - I was actually the last person in America to see the movie.
Best Movie that No One Besides Me has Seen - Scarecrow with Hackman and Pacino.
Best WW II Mini Series - A Band of Brothers - I know that this one has to be high on VT's list.
Best Movie that I Thought Would Suck - Titanic - I was actually the last person in America to see the movie.
Best Movie that No One Besides Me has Seen - Scarecrow with Hackman and Pacino.
Best WW II Mini Series - A Band of Brothers - I know that this one has to be high on VT's list.
Wendy said:
Bridge to Teribithia is on the banned book list? When the heck did that happen, because I DISTINCTLY remember reading that book in school... of course, well, that was a while ago, now that I think I about it. Of course, my stylist at the salon today told me I looked like I was 19, so that felt pretty good, since I am on the fast track to 30 right now (yes I know that is young, but since the majority of people I work with are fresh out of college, I tend to feel a little old).
Don't get me started on books, I won't be able to stop!
Best Modern Classic - To Kill a Mockingbird
Best Classic - Pride and Prejudice
I LOVE LOVE LOVE Iris Johansen as a novelist - all that forensics science thriller stuff really gets to me! (Especially seeing as how once upon a time that was what I wanted to be)
I really enjoy Arthurian Legend, anyone that wants to read about the WOMEN behind King Arthur - I would strongly recommend "The Mists of Avalon" But it is TERRIBLY long, so make sure you have a ton of free time to read it (because if you are like me, you won't want to put it down until it's done). I
I also really enjoyed Gone with the Wind and Scarlett (although the last time I read those was in high school, so it's been a while)
Oh, I could go on, but I will try to stop it here... :)
Don't get me started on books, I won't be able to stop!
Best Modern Classic - To Kill a Mockingbird
Best Classic - Pride and Prejudice
I LOVE LOVE LOVE Iris Johansen as a novelist - all that forensics science thriller stuff really gets to me! (Especially seeing as how once upon a time that was what I wanted to be)
I really enjoy Arthurian Legend, anyone that wants to read about the WOMEN behind King Arthur - I would strongly recommend "The Mists of Avalon" But it is TERRIBLY long, so make sure you have a ton of free time to read it (because if you are like me, you won't want to put it down until it's done). I
I also really enjoyed Gone with the Wind and Scarlett (although the last time I read those was in high school, so it's been a while)
Oh, I could go on, but I will try to stop it here... :)
lindainks55 said:
Pre, I read many books written for young adults. Most of my TEN grandchildren are young adults and I always wanted to read the book before I bought it for them, and we have loved talking about and dissecting books we've read since they were infants. My ALL-TIME favorite author of books for young adults is Lois Lowry!
I haven't read Bridge to Terabithia. The movie handled the fantasy part extraordinarily! I was in that world of children's imagination. If you have a grasp of the part that will bend you over like you've been hit in the stomach then see the movie. It is well done!
I haven't read Bridge to Terabithia. The movie handled the fantasy part extraordinarily! I was in that world of children's imagination. If you have a grasp of the part that will bend you over like you've been hit in the stomach then see the movie. It is well done!
WSClark said:
Best Ever Line in a Movie - "leave the gun, take the canolis" - Clemenza.
Best Old Movie that Can Never Be Remade - The Grapes of Wrath w/ Henry Fonda.
Best New (1992)Era Steinbeck Movie - Of Mice and Men directed by and starring Gary Sinise.
Best Old Movie that Can Never Be Remade - The Grapes of Wrath w/ Henry Fonda.
Best New (1992)Era Steinbeck Movie - Of Mice and Men directed by and starring Gary Sinise.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Wendy, I also enjoy the Arthurian legend stuff; the "Sword in the Stone" book is good, and for those so inclined, "L'Morte de Arthur" by Malory. The latter is a bit of a tough go, however.
"Gone With the Wind" - read it thrice; may read it again after another ten years passes.
Many, many other books; will stop now, lest this post becomes multi-paged.
"Gone With the Wind" - read it thrice; may read it again after another ten years passes.
Many, many other books; will stop now, lest this post becomes multi-paged.
Predestined said:
Yes, Lois Lowry is terrific! Too many good ones to name. I always enjoyed Mary Downing Hahn's books, especially Daphne's Book and December Stillness. I met her and spoke briefly with her at a William Allen White banquet, way back. Cynthia Voigt's Homecoming series was wonderful. More? Phyllis Reynolds Naylor, Norma Fox (and Harry) Mazer, Paula Fox, Jerry Spinelli and Louis Sachar (HOLES).
I'd reread them all, but they're packed in boxes out at the farm, and I have no place to put them. My walls would be nothing but bookcases, if I had all my books. My dad taught me the magic of books and reading.
I'd reread them all, but they're packed in boxes out at the farm, and I have no place to put them. My walls would be nothing but bookcases, if I had all my books. My dad taught me the magic of books and reading.
Wendy said:
Vaughn,
I would love to get the chance to read GWTW again, however, I know I would do the same thing I did the first time - which was to read it straight through without stopping. And, well, with the two year old, I just don't have the time now. Maybe when he is a bit older... But I am just one of those people who can't put a good book down, literally. I can read a short novel in about 30 minutes. Iris Johansen usually takes me oh about an hour and a half to two hours, depending... so I do a lot of reading at night after the kiddo is in bed...
I would love to get the chance to read GWTW again, however, I know I would do the same thing I did the first time - which was to read it straight through without stopping. And, well, with the two year old, I just don't have the time now. Maybe when he is a bit older... But I am just one of those people who can't put a good book down, literally. I can read a short novel in about 30 minutes. Iris Johansen usually takes me oh about an hour and a half to two hours, depending... so I do a lot of reading at night after the kiddo is in bed...
rm6046 said:
OK, out of bed for any length of time in four days due to pneumonia, ya'll have sucked me in on the movie bit:
Best War Movie Ever: "Patton"
Best Guaranteed Tear Jerker Movie Ever (Tie): "Lillies of the Field" "Old Yeller"
Best Suspense Movie: "The Day of the Jackal"
Best Musical: "Cabaret"
Worst Movies Ever (Tie): Anything with the words "Freddie", "Elm Street", "Scream", "Slash", or "Pee Wee" in the title.
Best War Movie Ever: "Patton"
Best Guaranteed Tear Jerker Movie Ever (Tie): "Lillies of the Field" "Old Yeller"
Best Suspense Movie: "The Day of the Jackal"
Best Musical: "Cabaret"
Worst Movies Ever (Tie): Anything with the words "Freddie", "Elm Street", "Scream", "Slash", or "Pee Wee" in the title.
Predestined said:
Wendy, want to meet a real Gone With the Wind fan? Meet my oldest daughter, who named her daughter Scarlett. *grin* She's had to replace my original copy of GWTW several times. She reads it at least once a year, then watches the movie.
I love Arthurian Legend, too. I haven't read the Avalon series, but hope to some day. I visit them every time I go to B&N. (Enjoyed the mini-series? on TV very much.) I did do the Mary Stewart Crystal Cave books though.
And yes, yes on To Kill a Mockingbird. I remember sobbing over that one. However, I liked Sense and Sensibility better than Pride and Prejudice, but it's been so long, I don't remember why.
Good list of movies, guys!! Many I haven't seen, some I didn't like (Titanic, for one. LOL) My faves? M.A.S.H., The Graduate, Practical Magic, Hope Floats, Sixteen Candles, Funny Girl, Fiddler on the Roof, just about any musical, all the Frank Capra movies, The Hunt for Red October, The Rock, Too Wong Foo..., The Birdcage, all Disney Hayley Mills movies, 'night Mother, Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolfe?...and the list is endless. I can't pick just a few. I'm also an X-Men fan and hated X-3. *grin*
Okay, I HAVE to get to work. What a nice way to shut me up.
I love Arthurian Legend, too. I haven't read the Avalon series, but hope to some day. I visit them every time I go to B&N. (Enjoyed the mini-series? on TV very much.) I did do the Mary Stewart Crystal Cave books though.
And yes, yes on To Kill a Mockingbird. I remember sobbing over that one. However, I liked Sense and Sensibility better than Pride and Prejudice, but it's been so long, I don't remember why.
Good list of movies, guys!! Many I haven't seen, some I didn't like (Titanic, for one. LOL) My faves? M.A.S.H., The Graduate, Practical Magic, Hope Floats, Sixteen Candles, Funny Girl, Fiddler on the Roof, just about any musical, all the Frank Capra movies, The Hunt for Red October, The Rock, Too Wong Foo..., The Birdcage, all Disney Hayley Mills movies, 'night Mother, Who's Afraid of Virginia Wolfe?...and the list is endless. I can't pick just a few. I'm also an X-Men fan and hated X-3. *grin*
Okay, I HAVE to get to work. What a nice way to shut me up.
WSClark said:
Glad you're feeling better, RM. Welcome back to the land of the living.
I would agree with your list of Worst Movies - spot on. I also agree that Patton was a truly great movie, with a tremendous performance by George C Scott and Karl Mauldin. For the most part, it was historically accurate as well.
My nomination for WORST WW II Movie of All TIME -
Pearl Harbor with Ben "the Duck" Affleck.
The opening scenes with Cuba Gooding, et al, were good and portrayed the horrors of the Japanese attack fairly well. After that it really, really sucked.
I would agree with your list of Worst Movies - spot on. I also agree that Patton was a truly great movie, with a tremendous performance by George C Scott and Karl Mauldin. For the most part, it was historically accurate as well.
My nomination for WORST WW II Movie of All TIME -
Pearl Harbor with Ben "the Duck" Affleck.
The opening scenes with Cuba Gooding, et al, were good and portrayed the horrors of the Japanese attack fairly well. After that it really, really sucked.
WSClark said:
What the Hell...................
Best Westerns - Stagecoach, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, Silverado, How the West Was Won.
Best Westerns - Honorable Mention - Blazin' Saddles.
Best Westerns - Stagecoach, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, Silverado, How the West Was Won.
Best Westerns - Honorable Mention - Blazin' Saddles.
Wendy said:
Clark,
Never even saw Pearl Harbor. Went and saw "Saving Private Ryan" with my b/f at the time who was in the Army (at that time) And he cried like a baby. Powerful movie.
Another one I liked that I REALLY did not expect to was Gladiator... FABULOUS!!!
Recent movie I saw that I had heard relatively NOTHIING about but that I thought was GREAT was "The Prestige". I highly recommend it!
Pre - Not to start an arguement, but really, you didn't like X3? It was actually my favorite out of all the movies they made - one of those movies that, for me anyways, when the credits rolled I thought "really, it's over already?" I always feel those are the best movies - the ones you don't want to be done.
Speaking of good movies, the fiance is watching "Air Force One" behind me right now - Fabulous movie, and Harrison Ford makes such a great president :) Another one I like, that my dad loves, is the American President with Michael Douglas and Annette Bening... I really liked "independence Day" as well...
Never even saw Pearl Harbor. Went and saw "Saving Private Ryan" with my b/f at the time who was in the Army (at that time) And he cried like a baby. Powerful movie.
Another one I liked that I REALLY did not expect to was Gladiator... FABULOUS!!!
Recent movie I saw that I had heard relatively NOTHIING about but that I thought was GREAT was "The Prestige". I highly recommend it!
Pre - Not to start an arguement, but really, you didn't like X3? It was actually my favorite out of all the movies they made - one of those movies that, for me anyways, when the credits rolled I thought "really, it's over already?" I always feel those are the best movies - the ones you don't want to be done.
Speaking of good movies, the fiance is watching "Air Force One" behind me right now - Fabulous movie, and Harrison Ford makes such a great president :) Another one I like, that my dad loves, is the American President with Michael Douglas and Annette Bening... I really liked "independence Day" as well...
Wendy said:
Clark,
I have to argue with you on the Westerns - IMHO, the Best Western of all times was TOMBSTONE. Probably Val Kilmers best movie ever as well - he made such a great Doc Holliday...
I liked Heartbreak Ridge as far as Eastwood movies go - haven't seen any of his recent acting or directing stuff though...
I have to argue with you on the Westerns - IMHO, the Best Western of all times was TOMBSTONE. Probably Val Kilmers best movie ever as well - he made such a great Doc Holliday...
I liked Heartbreak Ridge as far as Eastwood movies go - haven't seen any of his recent acting or directing stuff though...
rm6046 said:
Hadn't even thought of best westerns...hmmmm! Good list...would only add "Hombre" (Paul Newman) there.
Best Legal Movie: "And Justice for All" (Dustin Hoffman).
Best Legal Movie: "And Justice for All" (Dustin Hoffman).
WSClark said:
One thing I hate is when movies try to twist historical fact for dramatic purposes, as they did with Pearl Harbor. Private Ryan, on the other hand, was completely plausible, despite being fiction.
My son thinks that Harrison Ford is the GREATEST of all time. To him, any movie with HF is a great movie. I do like HF, but De Niro is clearly the best actor of all time. In my view, Meryl Streep holds the title on the distaff side, Kate is arguably better.
My son and me are agreement on one point - Bill Paxton is the worst male actor of all time. Any former Playmate is tied for the worst female actress........
My son thinks that Harrison Ford is the GREATEST of all time. To him, any movie with HF is a great movie. I do like HF, but De Niro is clearly the best actor of all time. In my view, Meryl Streep holds the title on the distaff side, Kate is arguably better.
My son and me are agreement on one point - Bill Paxton is the worst male actor of all time. Any former Playmate is tied for the worst female actress........
WSClark52 said:
I should have included "Unforgiven" on the list of Westerns - a tremendous work by (director and star)Eastwood and Morgan Freeman. I love Freeman as an actor.
Another would be "Dances..." although Costner has taken a bit of the shine off since he hasn't been well thought of lately. I did greatly appreciate the fact that the Lakota language was fairly represented.
I also like the "Lonesome Dove" series, although I do not like McMurtry (sp) treatment of Natives in his series.
Kilmer - did a great job in Heat - nearly stole the movie from Pacino and De Niro. Excellent in Tombstone also as Doc Holliday.
My secret pleasure is old Westerns - gott love 'em!
Another would be "Dances..." although Costner has taken a bit of the shine off since he hasn't been well thought of lately. I did greatly appreciate the fact that the Lakota language was fairly represented.
I also like the "Lonesome Dove" series, although I do not like McMurtry (sp) treatment of Natives in his series.
Kilmer - did a great job in Heat - nearly stole the movie from Pacino and De Niro. Excellent in Tombstone also as Doc Holliday.
My secret pleasure is old Westerns - gott love 'em!
lindainks55 said:
I have to bookmark this exact page so I can return to this list we've made together!
rm, so sorry to hear you've bene ill but really happy to hear you are on the mend!
We could keep on and on as memories bubble to the surface.
rm, so sorry to hear you've bene ill but really happy to hear you are on the mend!
We could keep on and on as memories bubble to the surface.
im1096 said:
I don't watch many movies any more, but I REALLY liked "The American President" with Michael Douglas and Annette Bening.
I have watched "Cinderella Man" more than once ...
When my kids were young we enjoyed watching "The Princess Bride."
Mel Gibson can always make me laugh, and I LOVE the old music in "What Women Want."
Another Great Old Movie That Can Never Be Remade is "The Good Earth" with Paul Muni and Luise Rainer.
I have watched "Cinderella Man" more than once ...
When my kids were young we enjoyed watching "The Princess Bride."
Mel Gibson can always make me laugh, and I LOVE the old music in "What Women Want."
Another Great Old Movie That Can Never Be Remade is "The Good Earth" with Paul Muni and Luise Rainer.
Predestined said:
Will, I liked your Best Westerns list. Silverado may be my all-time favorite of those and my oldest adores VAl Kilmer, Tombstone being her favorite.
Wendy, yes, sorry, I was very upset with X-3. Losing Xavier is probably what did it. :) But they were all done well, and I'll watch X-3 again soon, now that I won't get so surprised at the ending.
Harrison Ford IS good, but Pacino and Connery are too. I'm not as big on DeNiro. Dustin Hoffman has always blown me away as an actor. Johnny Depp continues to prove himself again and again, when it comes to the "newer" crop. I've never liked Costner, although once in a while I see something I think he's good in.
Katherine Hepburn will always be my favorite actress, but Sandra Bullock runs a very close second now. I also like Stockard Channing, Diane Weist, and Diane Keaton. (Not a Woody Allen fan at all.) I can't keep up with the Hollywood crowd anymore. Half the time I can't remember their names. LOL
I watched Air Force One last night (Friday) for the first time. If I'd been home tonight, I would have watched The Fugitive, although I think I have it on tape, so I still can. Harrison Ford AND Tommy Lee Jones=a great movie.
Wendy, yes, sorry, I was very upset with X-3. Losing Xavier is probably what did it. :) But they were all done well, and I'll watch X-3 again soon, now that I won't get so surprised at the ending.
Harrison Ford IS good, but Pacino and Connery are too. I'm not as big on DeNiro. Dustin Hoffman has always blown me away as an actor. Johnny Depp continues to prove himself again and again, when it comes to the "newer" crop. I've never liked Costner, although once in a while I see something I think he's good in.
Katherine Hepburn will always be my favorite actress, but Sandra Bullock runs a very close second now. I also like Stockard Channing, Diane Weist, and Diane Keaton. (Not a Woody Allen fan at all.) I can't keep up with the Hollywood crowd anymore. Half the time I can't remember their names. LOL
I watched Air Force One last night (Friday) for the first time. If I'd been home tonight, I would have watched The Fugitive, although I think I have it on tape, so I still can. Harrison Ford AND Tommy Lee Jones=a great movie.
Predestined said:
VT, thanks for the info on Winthrop. The name was familiar, probably from when I was researching N.C. schools for a book that was never written.
Hank Price said:
Netflix is good for revisiting the movies of your youth. Some of the 'great' movies when I was young are kind of hokie now.
But there are many that pass the test of time. I'm a little partial to John Wayne. The Cowboys, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance are a couple of my favorites.
I came real close to being in a western! They ran out of money. Since then I've advised the producer/director on a few projects and even rewrote a script for him. I'm his 'cowboy expert'!
Hank
But there are many that pass the test of time. I'm a little partial to John Wayne. The Cowboys, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance are a couple of my favorites.
I came real close to being in a western! They ran out of money. Since then I've advised the producer/director on a few projects and even rewrote a script for him. I'm his 'cowboy expert'!
Hank
im1096 said:
I loved the John Wayne movie "The Cowboys." Other favorites are "The Shootist" and "True Grit."
When I was about 12 or 13 years old, there was a casting call in Wichita for a crowd scene in a movie being shot somewhere in Kansas. I believe the movie was "Ace Eli and Rodger of the Skies." I think someone I knew was included in the crowd scene. Does anyone remember any more about it?
When I was about 12 or 13 years old, there was a casting call in Wichita for a crowd scene in a movie being shot somewhere in Kansas. I believe the movie was "Ace Eli and Rodger of the Skies." I think someone I knew was included in the crowd scene. Does anyone remember any more about it?
Hank Price said:
I barely remember the movie, saw it about 12 times while on a boomer patrol out of Guam if it's the one I'm thinking of.
Old time stunt pilot and his boy Roger. That makes you about 47 or 48!
Hank
Old time stunt pilot and his boy Roger. That makes you about 47 or 48!
Hank
Predestined said:
Favorite John Wayne movies: The Quiet Man and McClintock, both with Maureen O'Hara, the latter also with his son.
Movies filmed in Kansas that I can remember and/or found via Washburn website and Internet Movie DataBase:
Picnic -- Halstead, Hutchinson, Nickerson, Salina, Sterling (one of my junior high teachers was an extra in a crowd scene)
Gypsy Moths -- Abilene, Benton-Benton Airport, Wichita
Paper Moon -- Hays, Northeast
The Attic -- Wichita (Some of this was filmed in the house on north Park Place where my parents lived when they were first married.)
Dances with Wolves -- Hays
Ashes to Ashes -- Wichita
The Big Kahuna -- Wichita
Chem 102 -- Wichita
Dancin on the Moon -- Council Grove, Prairie Band Potawatomi Reservation (Mayetta), Wichita
Darkness -- August, Wichita
The Dirty Sanchez -- Wichita
Gracie Rose (currently in post-production) -- Wichita
Heaven Sucks -- Wichita
King Kung Fu! -- Wichita
Mars Attacks! (Tim Burton film) -- Burns, Lawrence, Wichita
MindField -- Wichita
My Day in the Barrel (student film) -- Wichita
Night Screams -- Wichita
The Putz -- Wichita
Sleepdancer -- Wichita
Kansas -- Lawrence, Topeka, Valley Falls, Edgerton
Ace Eli and Rodger of the Skies (1973) -- (no locations listed)
American Flyers -- McPherson, Lindsborg
Americana -- Drury
Bad Company
Carnival of Souls -- Centron Studios (Lawrence--interiors), Kaw Bridge (Lawrence), Lawrence, Lecompton
Cross of Fire -- Lawrence, Ottawa
Dark Before Dawn - Hugoton
In Cold Blood -- Edgerton, Emporia, Finney County Courthouse (Garden City), Garden City, Holcomb, Kansas City, Olathe
Linda Lovelace for President - Lawrence
The Learning Tree -- (TRIVIA: The first major studio feature film directed by an African-American (Gordon Parks)
Night Screams -- Wichita
Nice Girls Don't Explode -- Lawrence
No Holds Barred -- Topeka
Prime Cut -- Lawrence
Sometimes They Come Back (TV -- Stephen King)-- Kansas City
Twister (no KS locations listed)
Up the Academy - Salina
Wait 'Til the Sun Shines, Nellie (1952) -- Castleton, Hutchinson, Pretty Prairie
Where Pigeons Go (directed by Michael Landon) -- Lawrence, Overland Park
Movies filmed in Kansas that I can remember and/or found via Washburn website and Internet Movie DataBase:
Picnic -- Halstead, Hutchinson, Nickerson, Salina, Sterling (one of my junior high teachers was an extra in a crowd scene)
Gypsy Moths -- Abilene, Benton-Benton Airport, Wichita
Paper Moon -- Hays, Northeast
The Attic -- Wichita (Some of this was filmed in the house on north Park Place where my parents lived when they were first married.)
Dances with Wolves -- Hays
Ashes to Ashes -- Wichita
The Big Kahuna -- Wichita
Chem 102 -- Wichita
Dancin on the Moon -- Council Grove, Prairie Band Potawatomi Reservation (Mayetta), Wichita
Darkness -- August, Wichita
The Dirty Sanchez -- Wichita
Gracie Rose (currently in post-production) -- Wichita
Heaven Sucks -- Wichita
King Kung Fu! -- Wichita
Mars Attacks! (Tim Burton film) -- Burns, Lawrence, Wichita
MindField -- Wichita
My Day in the Barrel (student film) -- Wichita
Night Screams -- Wichita
The Putz -- Wichita
Sleepdancer -- Wichita
Kansas -- Lawrence, Topeka, Valley Falls, Edgerton
Ace Eli and Rodger of the Skies (1973) -- (no locations listed)
American Flyers -- McPherson, Lindsborg
Americana -- Drury
Bad Company
Carnival of Souls -- Centron Studios (Lawrence--interiors), Kaw Bridge (Lawrence), Lawrence, Lecompton
Cross of Fire -- Lawrence, Ottawa
Dark Before Dawn - Hugoton
In Cold Blood -- Edgerton, Emporia, Finney County Courthouse (Garden City), Garden City, Holcomb, Kansas City, Olathe
Linda Lovelace for President - Lawrence
The Learning Tree -- (TRIVIA: The first major studio feature film directed by an African-American (Gordon Parks)
Night Screams -- Wichita
Nice Girls Don't Explode -- Lawrence
No Holds Barred -- Topeka
Prime Cut -- Lawrence
Sometimes They Come Back (TV -- Stephen King)-- Kansas City
Twister (no KS locations listed)
Up the Academy - Salina
Wait 'Til the Sun Shines, Nellie (1952) -- Castleton, Hutchinson, Pretty Prairie
Where Pigeons Go (directed by Michael Landon) -- Lawrence, Overland Park
WSClark said:
In Cold Blood was a great, great movie, exceptionally well done and shot like a true classic in glorious black and white. The Quincy Jones sound track and the stark scenery were awesome. It was one of the few decent acting performances of Robert Blake's career.
Great stuff. I don't think that they could do a movie like that today.
If they did, it would be all blood, guts, gore, cursing and gratuitous nudity.
Great stuff. I don't think that they could do a movie like that today.
If they did, it would be all blood, guts, gore, cursing and gratuitous nudity.
Hank said:
Hey Predestined!
The Quiet Man! Absolutely one of my favorites! I have an antique governess cart just like the one John Wayne gave Maureen O'Hara in the Quiet Man!
It was made in Kilarney, Ireland. Bought it several years ago at the Crum Castle auction. I now have a solid blue roan standard bred pacer to show it off with.
Hank
The Quiet Man! Absolutely one of my favorites! I have an antique governess cart just like the one John Wayne gave Maureen O'Hara in the Quiet Man!
It was made in Kilarney, Ireland. Bought it several years ago at the Crum Castle auction. I now have a solid blue roan standard bred pacer to show it off with.
Hank
Predestined said:
Hank,
My ex's father used to have Welsh ponies for harness racing and raced down at the Winfield Fairgrounds, long before I knew them. They had a few ponies left after I came on the scene, but they eventually got rid of them or had to put them down because of age and who knows what. I didn't ask. I don't know any details, although I know there are several types of Welsh ponies. There are family movies of them racing, but I think I saw a short one only once, so I'm not very informed on any of it.
My ex's father used to have Welsh ponies for harness racing and raced down at the Winfield Fairgrounds, long before I knew them. They had a few ponies left after I came on the scene, but they eventually got rid of them or had to put them down because of age and who knows what. I didn't ask. I don't know any details, although I know there are several types of Welsh ponies. There are family movies of them racing, but I think I saw a short one only once, so I'm not very informed on any of it.
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