Danny said:
Since I mentioned some computer programming environments on one of the other topics here, I thought I would be the first(or attempt to be anyway) to post here a concept of programming. Specifically a type of data structure called a stack.
Simply put, a stack is a collection of items that are first in - last out. An example, lets say I have a basket and some books(B1, B2, and B3). I would push into the basket, B1, then B2, then B3. and would pop them out of the basket as B3, B2, and B1. As a result, this defines two of the functions every stack implementation has: push and pop. Another good one is top, which looks at the element that pop would remove from the stack, without removing it.
An interesting use that I had for my second semester CS course(Data Structures) was using a stack to find the shortest path through a little maze, where numbers indicated how long it would take to go through a particular section of it.
I didn't go into all kinds of detail about this. And maybe next week, I'll talk about a queue. Or not, depends if anybody is really interested in reading about this or not.
Simply put, a stack is a collection of items that are first in - last out. An example, lets say I have a basket and some books(B1, B2, and B3). I would push into the basket, B1, then B2, then B3. and would pop them out of the basket as B3, B2, and B1. As a result, this defines two of the functions every stack implementation has: push and pop. Another good one is top, which looks at the element that pop would remove from the stack, without removing it.
An interesting use that I had for my second semester CS course(Data Structures) was using a stack to find the shortest path through a little maze, where numbers indicated how long it would take to go through a particular section of it.
I didn't go into all kinds of detail about this. And maybe next week, I'll talk about a queue. Or not, depends if anybody is really interested in reading about this or not.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Danny, as I am a "closet geek", post away. Data structures have always fascinated me; push and pop are concepts with which I've a bit of familiarity in the stack context (tried a little Basic programming years ago, wrote a little assembler subroutine to hold a stack, etc.), but frankly haven't had time to do much more than amuse myself.
By the way, folks, if this is too arcane, I'll keep my posts to myself; but I am fascinated with programming (born about 20-30 years too early) so Danny's comments will be of interest to me, even if I don't really understand them.
I would point out that I've used some elementary programming concepts to build spreadsheets and data bases in apps like dBase, Access; so, all knowledge is appreciated by me.
By the way, folks, if this is too arcane, I'll keep my posts to myself; but I am fascinated with programming (born about 20-30 years too early) so Danny's comments will be of interest to me, even if I don't really understand them.
I would point out that I've used some elementary programming concepts to build spreadsheets and data bases in apps like dBase, Access; so, all knowledge is appreciated by me.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Danny, if I may; for those who wonder just what he's talking about, a simple illustration from a computer science course long, long ago: think of a stack as the plate holder in a cafeteria; new plates are put in the holder ("pushed" on the stack), from which the same are removed therefrom ("popped" from the stack) in LIFO order. Think of data "bits" as the plates, and it helps to understand the process.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Pat Tillman, Jessica Lynch; used for recruiting or diversion from negative news?
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/24/tillman.hea...
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/04/24/tillman.hea...
Vaughn Tolle said:
Danny, understand your quick example; it recalled the cafeteria plate holder to me while reading it.
On programming, etc., maybe I was born 40 years too early; as all of you who have been bored to tears by me know, my public school of choice to support is Northeast Magnet here in Wichita. The school is affiliated with DigiPen through a grant received some two years ago, and are busily preparing the interested young folks to go on to DigiPen Institute (and other higher ed institutions) so they may, if they wish, program games. The programming concepts taught have application to areas other than gaming, but given its DigiPen, gaming is a high priority.
On programming, etc., maybe I was born 40 years too early; as all of you who have been bored to tears by me know, my public school of choice to support is Northeast Magnet here in Wichita. The school is affiliated with DigiPen through a grant received some two years ago, and are busily preparing the interested young folks to go on to DigiPen Institute (and other higher ed institutions) so they may, if they wish, program games. The programming concepts taught have application to areas other than gaming, but given its DigiPen, gaming is a high priority.
Julie said:
still trying to get the meetup together.
I'm waiting on a call back from wichita park and rec.
Looking like probably OJ Watson park on May 12 or 19.
What do you think?
I'm waiting on a call back from wichita park and rec.
Looking like probably OJ Watson park on May 12 or 19.
What do you think?
Vaughn Tolle said:
Link to Northeast web site page discussing the DigiPen program; page has links to DigiPen Institute of Technology site.
http://northeast.usd259.org/SpecialPrograms.htm
http://northeast.usd259.org/SpecialPrograms.htm
Predestined said:
Did the Military and/or Pentagon fabricate these stories on their own, or were the instructed to do so? Maybe not implicit, detailed instructions, but what about a "make it look good" comment?
Will we really ever know? After all, Gonzo's pitiful memory seems to have gotten him off the hook, at least for now. Maybe it should be mandatory for all government officials to take Ginkgo Biloba ("helps improve memory, especially occasional mild memory problems associated with aging.") ;)
Sorry, GWB is beyond help, short of a lobotomy.
Will we really ever know? After all, Gonzo's pitiful memory seems to have gotten him off the hook, at least for now. Maybe it should be mandatory for all government officials to take Ginkgo Biloba ("helps improve memory, especially occasional mild memory problems associated with aging.") ;)
Sorry, GWB is beyond help, short of a lobotomy.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Pre, based upon what I observed during my four years in the USAF, the military/Pentagon were perfectly capable of the fabrications without the need for outside direction/assistance. Flag officers are political creatures, as are those field grade officers aspiring for promotion; they know how to read the political currents, and how to please (or displease, depending upon the opinions then in play) their civilian bosses without any suggestions.
Gster said:
VT- You're correct- the truth is fully adjustable in the "Machine", and any or all are expendable for its survival.
rm6046 said:
Pre: The misrepresentations and lies from the military are scandalous. AG AG's incredible memory lapses are reprehensible. But what in the world does one have to do with the other? Look...up in the air...a fish !!!!!
I can't quite imagine what planet you wake up on every morning but it's clearly a long, long way from here.
I can't quite imagine what planet you wake up on every morning but it's clearly a long, long way from here.
lindainks55 said:
rm, I read her asking "Will we really ever know?" about two subjects that have been in the news. We hear many sensational news reports and often think someones head should roll for this one. But then nothing happens, no one's head rolls, most we hear are the most unplausible excuses which seem to suffice.
Danny said:
VT,
I had almost gone to DigiPen. However, decided that the cost was a bit prohibitive for me at the time, and chose to stay in state. Thus K-State was my destination of choice.
Any programming concepts, as you stated, are applicable to any other field in computer science. To me, game programming in particular stands out as using everything in a computer science degree. My time at KSU, I pushed really hard for a games programming course, and they did finally add one. It uses: data structures, math, science(physics mostly), and few other odds and ends that one might find interesting to add to a game.
I had almost gone to DigiPen. However, decided that the cost was a bit prohibitive for me at the time, and chose to stay in state. Thus K-State was my destination of choice.
Any programming concepts, as you stated, are applicable to any other field in computer science. To me, game programming in particular stands out as using everything in a computer science degree. My time at KSU, I pushed really hard for a games programming course, and they did finally add one. It uses: data structures, math, science(physics mostly), and few other odds and ends that one might find interesting to add to a game.
Julie said:
MEET UP IS SET!!!
Details on the forum that Dubya set up!
http://forums.instantspot.com/messages.cfm?threadi...
Details on the forum that Dubya set up!
http://forums.instantspot.com/messages.cfm?threadi...
Predestined said:
Linda, I'm so glad we live on the same planet. :)
So sorry, rm. Maybe you'd like to switch places with me for a while and clean up the eggs and the Milk of Magnesia on the carpet. Then you can chase an almost 3-year-old out of the car four times. All this while trying to do another "job". You see, not only do women multi-task much better than males, but we also multi-think. Maybe that's why I wasn't making sense. Too many things to consider in the headlines. Or maybe I've just shaken my head in utter and complete frustration too many times, when it comes to what's happening in this country.
Funny, but my alter-ego doesn't remember you attacking so much.
So sorry, rm. Maybe you'd like to switch places with me for a while and clean up the eggs and the Milk of Magnesia on the carpet. Then you can chase an almost 3-year-old out of the car four times. All this while trying to do another "job". You see, not only do women multi-task much better than males, but we also multi-think. Maybe that's why I wasn't making sense. Too many things to consider in the headlines. Or maybe I've just shaken my head in utter and complete frustration too many times, when it comes to what's happening in this country.
Funny, but my alter-ego doesn't remember you attacking so much.
Predestined said:
Danny,
I'm so glad there are people like you out there. :) You had me at "games", but lost me at "data structures, math, science..." We each have our gifts. Mine is driving rm mad. And I don't mean as in angry. ;)
I'm so glad there are people like you out there. :) You had me at "games", but lost me at "data structures, math, science..." We each have our gifts. Mine is driving rm mad. And I don't mean as in angry. ;)
Nathan said:
Of course I will do my best to come. By then I should have my Concealed carry permit too.
Just want you liberal anti-gun people to wet your pants :)
Just want you liberal anti-gun people to wet your pants :)
Vaughn Tolle said:
Danny, what you describe is, at the basics, what the students enrolling in the DigiPen course at NEMHS are required to have to enroll in the first course; seeing as it is high school, the levels aren't quite the same as at the post-high school level. There is an art course required, along with the math (minimum algebra 2, at least one semester with a C or better (B, maybe); Honors Physical Science (basic Physics); programming (whichever course introduces the students to data structures); I think that's it.
BTW, those students at NEMHS who complete the courses (three, at present) are given a scholarship in some amount if they go on to DigiPen. Almost makes me want to be in high school again (not really, but...).
BTW, those students at NEMHS who complete the courses (three, at present) are given a scholarship in some amount if they go on to DigiPen. Almost makes me want to be in high school again (not really, but...).
WSClark said:
"Just want you liberal anti-gun people to wet your pants :)"
A very good reason not to attend a meet. I could hardly think of a better reason not to go than Nathan was going to be there with a gun.
A very good reason not to attend a meet. I could hardly think of a better reason not to go than Nathan was going to be there with a gun.
Danny said:
VT,
I found out that the former principle of NEMHS(Wesling) used to be the principle at the high school I went to(BCCHS). However, I've taken the approach of, if I'm interested in doing something and I don't know how to do it, I'll read anything I can related to it, and teach myself. Guess it's just the way I'm wired.
Pre,
Well, just because I understand how to use Matrix algebra to do scaling and rotations on a computer screen.. ;) Nah, seriously, I'm like a kid in a candy store when it comes to computers. I'll happily share any knowledge I have with anybody that is interested.
I found out that the former principle of NEMHS(Wesling) used to be the principle at the high school I went to(BCCHS). However, I've taken the approach of, if I'm interested in doing something and I don't know how to do it, I'll read anything I can related to it, and teach myself. Guess it's just the way I'm wired.
Pre,
Well, just because I understand how to use Matrix algebra to do scaling and rotations on a computer screen.. ;) Nah, seriously, I'm like a kid in a candy store when it comes to computers. I'll happily share any knowledge I have with anybody that is interested.
Nathan said:
Good WS Clark,
Don't show up. I suppose I could gloat about running you off like you do here towards others.
Don't show up. I suppose I could gloat about running you off like you do here towards others.
Julie said:
It would be nice if everyone could attend. I am sincere in my invitation to one and all to attend if they can. I want that afternoon to be full of fun and friendship (or at least courtesy).
Nathan said:
I agree Julie.
However, if you are going to be controlled by your irrational fear of guns, then be fair warned.
However, if you are going to be controlled by your irrational fear of guns, then be fair warned.
WSClark said:
Post where I have gloated about running anyone off. I have defended others on this forum, but I have never run anyone off. I have warned people not to attack several posters here, but that is just a normal response.
But if you want to gloat because you have a gun and therefore I will not being attending a meet - well go for it.
It say a lot more about you than it does about me.
Trying to intimidate people because you have a gun is normally considered criminal behavior.
Childish as well.
But if you want to gloat because you have a gun and therefore I will not being attending a meet - well go for it.
It say a lot more about you than it does about me.
Trying to intimidate people because you have a gun is normally considered criminal behavior.
Childish as well.
WSClark said:
"Of course I will do my best to come. By then I should have my Concealed carry permit too."
Why would anyone feel the need to announce that they would be carrying a gun to a social gathering if it was not for the purposes of trying to intimidate someone?
Why would anyone feel the need to announce that they would be carrying a gun to a social gathering if it was not for the purposes of trying to intimidate someone?
WSClark said:
By the way, Nathan, I am a former and future gun owner. I have no fear of guns, but I am not going to a social event where someone has previously announced that he will be carrying a gun with an obvious intent to intimidate. Why would any reasonable person feel the need to make that statement?
That alone should disqualify you from getting a CC permit.
That alone should disqualify you from getting a CC permit.
Nathan said:
WS Clark,
I think I stated clearly why I said what I did:
"I just want you antigun liberal people to wet your pants.
No big secret, I was pretty clear.
I think you are confused.
I am not carrying the gun to intimidate anyone.
I am saying that I will be to intimidate only those I know here who are irrationally afraid of them. Or in your case irrationally afraid of me carrying one.
Don't worry WS Clark, I am not going to waste my precious time and reputation by doing anything to someone like you.
I think I stated clearly why I said what I did:
"I just want you antigun liberal people to wet your pants.
No big secret, I was pretty clear.
I think you are confused.
I am not carrying the gun to intimidate anyone.
I am saying that I will be to intimidate only those I know here who are irrationally afraid of them. Or in your case irrationally afraid of me carrying one.
Don't worry WS Clark, I am not going to waste my precious time and reputation by doing anything to someone like you.
lindainks55 said:
Julie,
I want to pay my part of any cost of reserving the shelter.
I also won't plan to attend. I will never be in the company of a person with an "I have a gun attitude," if I can help it. Since it's already been announced I can help it.
I want to pay my part of any cost of reserving the shelter.
I also won't plan to attend. I will never be in the company of a person with an "I have a gun attitude," if I can help it. Since it's already been announced I can help it.
WSClark said:
Really, Nathan? Why would you feel a need to announce that you would be carrying a gun, given that most liberals, myself included, have no fear of guns whatsoever?
As I said, I am a former and future gun owner.
I just choose not to spend time with someone that feels that they need to announce that they are carrying a gun.
As for my fear of you specifically carrying a gun?
I know more about you than you think, and for that reason, I don't want to be anywhere near you if you have a gun.
And that is not irrational.
Others liberals here should take note of that as well.
As I said, I am a former and future gun owner.
I just choose not to spend time with someone that feels that they need to announce that they are carrying a gun.
As for my fear of you specifically carrying a gun?
I know more about you than you think, and for that reason, I don't want to be anywhere near you if you have a gun.
And that is not irrational.
Others liberals here should take note of that as well.
Nathan said:
Well,
Since I seemed to have caused the typical bed wetting I had anticipated...
I figure I will let you all know now:
I will be carrying concealed in the city of Wichita almost everywhere I am allowed to.
I do frequent the Walmart on East and West Kellogg, so don't go there anymore.
I love to go to the Warren for the usual Friday or Saturday night movie. Most likely I will be going to the one on the West side and sometimes old town. So don't go there anymore either.
I drive on Kellogg usually every day. So if you are worried about being on the same road as me, I would stay off of Kellogg.
If you attended any of the other blog meet ups, well, I had already brought my pistol to those so I hope you are counting your blessings for making it out alive.
I will compile a larger and more comprehensive list of the locations you should probably avoid for the future.
Since I seemed to have caused the typical bed wetting I had anticipated...
I figure I will let you all know now:
I will be carrying concealed in the city of Wichita almost everywhere I am allowed to.
I do frequent the Walmart on East and West Kellogg, so don't go there anymore.
I love to go to the Warren for the usual Friday or Saturday night movie. Most likely I will be going to the one on the West side and sometimes old town. So don't go there anymore either.
I drive on Kellogg usually every day. So if you are worried about being on the same road as me, I would stay off of Kellogg.
If you attended any of the other blog meet ups, well, I had already brought my pistol to those so I hope you are counting your blessings for making it out alive.
I will compile a larger and more comprehensive list of the locations you should probably avoid for the future.
tracyaphillips said:
WOW, NATHAN HAS A PISSY PANTS FETISH!
ha!
How bout the wet fart in satin panties?
That one 'load your gun' for ya?
As I Mature
I've learned that no matter how much I care,
some people are just assholes.
I've learned that it takes years to build up trust, and it only takes suspicion, not proof, to destroy it.
I've learned that you can get by on charm for about fifteen minutes. After that, you'd better have a big willy or huge boobs.
I've learned that you shouldn't compare yourself to others - they are more screwed up than you think.
I've learned that you can keep vomiting long after you think you're finished.
I've learned that we are responsible for what we do, unless we are celebrities.
I've learned that 99% of the time when something isn't working in your house, one of your kids did it.
I've learned that the people you care most about in life are taken from you too soon and all the less important ones just never go away.
ha!
How bout the wet fart in satin panties?
That one 'load your gun' for ya?
As I Mature
I've learned that no matter how much I care,
some people are just assholes.
I've learned that it takes years to build up trust, and it only takes suspicion, not proof, to destroy it.
I've learned that you can get by on charm for about fifteen minutes. After that, you'd better have a big willy or huge boobs.
I've learned that you shouldn't compare yourself to others - they are more screwed up than you think.
I've learned that you can keep vomiting long after you think you're finished.
I've learned that we are responsible for what we do, unless we are celebrities.
I've learned that 99% of the time when something isn't working in your house, one of your kids did it.
I've learned that the people you care most about in life are taken from you too soon and all the less important ones just never go away.
WSClark said:
Let's be honest, why would anyone want to attend a social event with someone that clearly hates them and that person is known to be carrying a gun? Especially since that individual is BRAGGING that they will be carrying a concealed weapon?
Why even take the risk that said person, known to be underhanded and devious, wouldn't suddenly snap and take a shot - literally?
Really?
Why even risk yourself or your family?
Why even take the risk that said person, known to be underhanded and devious, wouldn't suddenly snap and take a shot - literally?
Really?
Why even risk yourself or your family?
WSClark said:
I notice that you do not want cussing or flaming, Dubya, but I have not read anything from you about the implied threats of gun violence from Nathan.
Why announce your intention to bring a gun to a social event unless you have an intention to use it for intimidation or actual violence?
The answer is that there is no good reason if someone is a responsible concealed carry holder.
Why announce your intention to bring a gun to a social event unless you have an intention to use it for intimidation or actual violence?
The answer is that there is no good reason if someone is a responsible concealed carry holder.
WSClark said:
"If you attended any of the other blog meet ups, well, I had already brought my pistol to those so I hope you are counting your blessings for making it out alive."
As a citizen of Wichita, it is my responsibility to report this comment to the authorities that are responsible for concealed carry permits.
This has gone way beyond just a joke or a liberal v. conservative comment. This is just plain crazy. No one should be allowed on the streets with a gun with this type of attitude.
As a citizen of Wichita, it is my responsibility to report this comment to the authorities that are responsible for concealed carry permits.
This has gone way beyond just a joke or a liberal v. conservative comment. This is just plain crazy. No one should be allowed on the streets with a gun with this type of attitude.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Back on the Tillman hearing for a moment; I find it somewhat remarkable that Spc. O'Neal was given an order to not discuss the circumstances surrounding the death of Pat Tillman with anyone, especially the Tillman family. I'll leave the legality of the order to others to discuss. I'm disturbed that the commander issued such an order. I understand from reading the excerpt of the soldier's testimony that the rationale for the order (yes, I consider it an order) was cloaked in a benevolent purpose, but as details are made known, it seems to me there was already a "game" on to cover up the truth.
I'm not familiar with current regs; but "back in the day", as I recall, the notification to the family was to be as accurate as possible, as soon as possible, with further information to be provided as it became available. If it was known among the soldiers at the base the death was due to fratricide, to give any other reason to the family (except, if not 100% sure, to say "suspected fratricide") is inexcusable. Just burns my rear end.
I'm not familiar with current regs; but "back in the day", as I recall, the notification to the family was to be as accurate as possible, as soon as possible, with further information to be provided as it became available. If it was known among the soldiers at the base the death was due to fratricide, to give any other reason to the family (except, if not 100% sure, to say "suspected fratricide") is inexcusable. Just burns my rear end.
Vaughn Tolle said:
I note that I omitted what happened to Jessica Lynch in the above rant. From reading excerpts of her testimony, it becomes clear that there was something manufactured about the circumstances of her capture and "rescue" as well. Apparently, her M-16 jammed due to sand, and she didn't fire a shot, although at the time she was being heralded as a hero who had sent several Iraqis to meet Allah. Further, it appears from reading, at the time of the videotaped rescue, there were no Iraqi soldiers at the hospital. Now, the U.S. forces wouldn't necessarily know that until they arrived, I am sure; but again, reading on either cnn.com or abcnews.go.com, there was apparently an attempt to turn her over to U.S. forces the day before the raid by the doctors at the hospital, which would seem to be notice that there were no Iraqi soldiers present. Potential for an ambush? yes, but upon arrival, it would seem to me that could be ascertained quickly, and if the tale about the attempt to turn her over the day before has credence. it seems this might have given rise to advance scouting of the situation.
rm6046 said:
What am I missing here, Nathan and/or WSC? Is there an undercurrent or prior incident that I just "slept through" or was out-of-town or something?
Nathan said:
WS Clark,
What exactly are you going to report? That some guy on a blog said he was going to carry a weapon concealed after he got a license to do so?
Or that some guy on a blog said that he had trasported a pistol according to the law to prior events and that you were lucky to get out alive?
LOL. Go right ahead.
What exactly are you going to report? That some guy on a blog said he was going to carry a weapon concealed after he got a license to do so?
Or that some guy on a blog said that he had trasported a pistol according to the law to prior events and that you were lucky to get out alive?
LOL. Go right ahead.
Nathan said:
rm6046,
I think you could probably trace it back to the WE blog when Tracy was all up in arms because we didn't support stem cell research.
Somehow my not supporting stem cell research is the reason Tracy's father is a parapalegic or something like that.
Since then I suppose I am not on WS Clarks most popular list.
Oh Well.
I think you could probably trace it back to the WE blog when Tracy was all up in arms because we didn't support stem cell research.
Somehow my not supporting stem cell research is the reason Tracy's father is a parapalegic or something like that.
Since then I suppose I am not on WS Clarks most popular list.
Oh Well.
WSClark said:
"Of course I will do my best to come. By then I should have my Concealed carry permit too.
Just want you liberal anti-gun people to wet your pants :)
Don't show up. (Address to me) I suppose I could gloat about running you off like you do here towards others.
However, if you (addressed to Julie)are going to be controlled by your irrational fear of guns, then be fair warned.
If you attended any of the other blog meet ups, well, I had already brought my pistol to those (there was no CC at that time, so this was illegal)so I hope you are counting your blessings for making it out alive."
The above comments are from Nathan Price. In light of recent events, I believe that the content and suggestion should be taken seriously.
I know of at least one other person that will not attend the blog meet because of these comments. I am sure that others will think twice.
Why take a chance when you have only one life to live?
BTW - I have no fear of guns - having been a gun owners - my fear is of deranged individuals with their fingers on the trigger.
I am sure that none of Cho's associates ever thought he would snap.
Just want you liberal anti-gun people to wet your pants :)
Don't show up. (Address to me) I suppose I could gloat about running you off like you do here towards others.
However, if you (addressed to Julie)are going to be controlled by your irrational fear of guns, then be fair warned.
If you attended any of the other blog meet ups, well, I had already brought my pistol to those (there was no CC at that time, so this was illegal)so I hope you are counting your blessings for making it out alive."
The above comments are from Nathan Price. In light of recent events, I believe that the content and suggestion should be taken seriously.
I know of at least one other person that will not attend the blog meet because of these comments. I am sure that others will think twice.
Why take a chance when you have only one life to live?
BTW - I have no fear of guns - having been a gun owners - my fear is of deranged individuals with their fingers on the trigger.
I am sure that none of Cho's associates ever thought he would snap.
Predestined said:
Nathan, define 'intimidation', please.
Never mind, I'll do it.
in·tim·i·date Pronunciation Key - [in-tim-i-deyt]
–verb (used with object), -dat·ed, -dat·ing.
1. to make timid; fill with fear. (My comment: Enough to wet your pants?)
2. to overawe or cow, as through the force of personality or by superior display of wealth, talent, etc.
3. to force into or deter from some action by inducing fear: to intimidate a voter into staying away from the polls.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/intimidatio...
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Wanting someone to "wet their pants" sounds like a perfect example of intimidation. Would you care to try again? I'm hardly wetting my pants or soiling myself over your egotistical comment. Sorry if that makes you mad, but come on, Nathan. That was a really sad comment, even from you.
Hey, all, do I need a CCW for the knife I bought Saturday? It's a doozy! Double-edge. Very pretty, too. (No, Julie, no bodice dagger yet, but I'm working on it.) OTOH, a rusty spoon would do the same job.
Never mind, I'll do it.
in·tim·i·date Pronunciation Key - [in-tim-i-deyt]
–verb (used with object), -dat·ed, -dat·ing.
1. to make timid; fill with fear. (My comment: Enough to wet your pants?)
2. to overawe or cow, as through the force of personality or by superior display of wealth, talent, etc.
3. to force into or deter from some action by inducing fear: to intimidate a voter into staying away from the polls.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/intimidatio...
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Wanting someone to "wet their pants" sounds like a perfect example of intimidation. Would you care to try again? I'm hardly wetting my pants or soiling myself over your egotistical comment. Sorry if that makes you mad, but come on, Nathan. That was a really sad comment, even from you.
Hey, all, do I need a CCW for the knife I bought Saturday? It's a doozy! Double-edge. Very pretty, too. (No, Julie, no bodice dagger yet, but I'm working on it.) OTOH, a rusty spoon would do the same job.
Nathan said:
WS Clark,
I'll be waiting for a call from the local police. So I can explain to them what a retard you are.
I am a highly decorated Marine. I teach Marksmanship safety. I am a Marine Corps Marksmanship Instructor.
I have taught kids Hunters Safety.
I teach other people weapons safety and handling for free.
I could easily produce about 50 character witnesses that would attest to my being a very mature and responsible gun owner and handler.
Please, oh please, call the police.
If you are afraid of my carrying a gun then you really are irrational.
I have made no threat to you or anyone else. I find it funny that some people are so afraid of guns, not me.
I'll be waiting for a call from the local police. So I can explain to them what a retard you are.
I am a highly decorated Marine. I teach Marksmanship safety. I am a Marine Corps Marksmanship Instructor.
I have taught kids Hunters Safety.
I teach other people weapons safety and handling for free.
I could easily produce about 50 character witnesses that would attest to my being a very mature and responsible gun owner and handler.
Please, oh please, call the police.
If you are afraid of my carrying a gun then you really are irrational.
I have made no threat to you or anyone else. I find it funny that some people are so afraid of guns, not me.
Nathan said:
Predestined,
I believe anything over 3.5 inches is considered a weapon and you are not supposed to be carrying it.
That brings up a curious question, does a CCW permit allow you to carry a big knife concealed too?
hmmm...
I believe anything over 3.5 inches is considered a weapon and you are not supposed to be carrying it.
That brings up a curious question, does a CCW permit allow you to carry a big knife concealed too?
hmmm...
WSClark said:
I have no fear of guns, Nathan. As I said, I have owned several guns in the past, and will own more in the future. As for your character witnesses? I have just used your words against you. It is not just me, young man. There are others that will now NOT attend the WV Blog meet because of your statements.
I could care less that you are a Marine. That has nothing to do with this. Zero. This is about threatening to take a gun to a social event for the purposes of intimidation.
Why else would you mention that you would be bringing a gun?
And "Please, oh please, call the police."
Already done. If they give you a permit, I will take it to the media. I have already copied and pasted your relevant comments to a file. The proof is in your words.
You don't get to threaten lawful citizens in a free society, Nathan. You don't get a free pass on veiled threats just because you are a Marine.
Why would a lawful concealed carry holder feel that he had to announce that he was going to bring a gun to a social event unless he had ill intentions?
I could care less that you are a Marine. That has nothing to do with this. Zero. This is about threatening to take a gun to a social event for the purposes of intimidation.
Why else would you mention that you would be bringing a gun?
And "Please, oh please, call the police."
Already done. If they give you a permit, I will take it to the media. I have already copied and pasted your relevant comments to a file. The proof is in your words.
You don't get to threaten lawful citizens in a free society, Nathan. You don't get a free pass on veiled threats just because you are a Marine.
Why would a lawful concealed carry holder feel that he had to announce that he was going to bring a gun to a social event unless he had ill intentions?
Nathan said:
WS Clark,
Why would someone with ill intentions tell you that he was bringing a gun to a social event?
You need serious help WS Clark.
I never threatened you either. You may feel threatened, but I didn't threaten you with any type of harm.
Get over yourself.
Why would someone with ill intentions tell you that he was bringing a gun to a social event?
You need serious help WS Clark.
I never threatened you either. You may feel threatened, but I didn't threaten you with any type of harm.
Get over yourself.
Nathan said:
Since you are taking notes, let me set the record straight so there is no doubt:
I have no intentions of hurting anyone or doing anything against the law.
I would never threaten anyones life with serious bodily harm or death unless it was to protect myself or someone else from serious bodily harm or death.
You can rest easy tonight. You might want to change your underwear though.
I have no intentions of hurting anyone or doing anything against the law.
I would never threaten anyones life with serious bodily harm or death unless it was to protect myself or someone else from serious bodily harm or death.
You can rest easy tonight. You might want to change your underwear though.
WSClark said:
Answer the question, Price. And yes, I have reported your comments to the folks that may or may not grant you a permit to carry a gun.
You went WAY over the line, Mr. Price. Way over. I was not the only person that thought you were threatening people. It's not just me. You may claim that you were not threatening, but I do believe that others will see it differently. If the folks that grant permits don't see it that way, I WILL take it to the media. I have your words to back it up.
You may claim that you didn't threaten me directly, but your words say differently.
There is no need for me to get over myself, Price, but you may want to rethink your position.
You went WAY over the line, Mr. Price. Way over. I was not the only person that thought you were threatening people. It's not just me. You may claim that you were not threatening, but I do believe that others will see it differently. If the folks that grant permits don't see it that way, I WILL take it to the media. I have your words to back it up.
You may claim that you didn't threaten me directly, but your words say differently.
There is no need for me to get over myself, Price, but you may want to rethink your position.
WSClark said:
"You can rest easy tonight. You might want to change your underwear though."
Your comments have been added to the list, Price.
But you should know, Price, that I have no fear for MYSELF. I really could care less if you threaten me. My only concern is for my grandchildren and children. And I have already printed out your comments for my family if something should happen to me. I have already notified LE.
And your comments that you did not mean to threaten me ring pretty hollow. I know what you meant.
You can't get away with it.
Your comments have been added to the list, Price.
But you should know, Price, that I have no fear for MYSELF. I really could care less if you threaten me. My only concern is for my grandchildren and children. And I have already printed out your comments for my family if something should happen to me. I have already notified LE.
And your comments that you did not mean to threaten me ring pretty hollow. I know what you meant.
You can't get away with it.
Predestined said:
"I have no intentions of hurting anyone or doing anything against the law."
Naturally. But a little intimidation can't hurt, right? Very mean-spirited, and I was hoping-- Never mind.
The knife is 5 1/2 inches, so I guess that's out of the question. Now, the other is 3 1/2, but I wouldn't cart that around either.
Will, Nathan doesn't frighten me, and I'm not a gun lover. I don't hate them, but neither do I love them. I think the same could be said for my feelings about Nathan. Note: I'm talking hate/love not like/dislike, respect/disrespect or anything else. If he's so afraid of something happening and feels the need to carry, well, I hope I never see the day he would need to use it. The WV Meet-up would hardly be that.
Naturally. But a little intimidation can't hurt, right? Very mean-spirited, and I was hoping-- Never mind.
The knife is 5 1/2 inches, so I guess that's out of the question. Now, the other is 3 1/2, but I wouldn't cart that around either.
Will, Nathan doesn't frighten me, and I'm not a gun lover. I don't hate them, but neither do I love them. I think the same could be said for my feelings about Nathan. Note: I'm talking hate/love not like/dislike, respect/disrespect or anything else. If he's so afraid of something happening and feels the need to carry, well, I hope I never see the day he would need to use it. The WV Meet-up would hardly be that.
WSClark said:
Pre, I actually like guns, mostly for their workmanship. I also have a great fondness for military folks, given that I have a female cousin that is a Lt. Colonel.
Nathan doesn't frighten me in any way - I am long since past having any fear - but I do not like the veiled threats. At any blog meet, there will be other people there. There is no need for that type of intimidation.
Nathan doesn't frighten me in any way - I am long since past having any fear - but I do not like the veiled threats. At any blog meet, there will be other people there. There is no need for that type of intimidation.
lindainks55 said:
I am not afraid of any gun; it is an inanimate object incapable of causing any harm. I do know how dangerous a gun can be in the wrong hands.
We just last week discussed the incident at Virginia Tech. Were there warning signs? Was there something that could have stopped those needless deaths? What causes a person to go over the edge of reason?
I sincerely think a person whose first words after a meetup is announced is that he will bring a gun goes beyond immature all the way to dangerous.
Rational adults do not announce to strangers, expecially some of whom he has voiced his disdain for, that he carries a gun illegally but hopes by the next meetup to be legal. Nut he will carry whether he is or not legal and then lists many places he does carry.
Nathan has already admitted to breaking the law. Has stated he has in the past and does currently carry a concealed weapon without a permit for such.
This man is not rational. Did someone see these signs and ignore them and that's why 32 Virginia Tech students are dead?
We just last week discussed the incident at Virginia Tech. Were there warning signs? Was there something that could have stopped those needless deaths? What causes a person to go over the edge of reason?
I sincerely think a person whose first words after a meetup is announced is that he will bring a gun goes beyond immature all the way to dangerous.
Rational adults do not announce to strangers, expecially some of whom he has voiced his disdain for, that he carries a gun illegally but hopes by the next meetup to be legal. Nut he will carry whether he is or not legal and then lists many places he does carry.
Nathan has already admitted to breaking the law. Has stated he has in the past and does currently carry a concealed weapon without a permit for such.
This man is not rational. Did someone see these signs and ignore them and that's why 32 Virginia Tech students are dead?
WSClark said:
Absolute correct, Linda, and that is why I have taken the extraordinary step of contacting LE to report the threatening comments from Mr. Price. I am sorry that he took this course of action, but people should not be walking around with guns with that type of attitude towards more than half of the American population.
I hated to "turn him in" but after VTech, someone has to speak up.
I hated to "turn him in" but after VTech, someone has to speak up.
WSClark said:
What can anyone say? I am sure that Cho's associates did not think that he was a menace. I am sure that Eric and Dylan's friends did not think they posed a threat. How do you know?
Well, one way is to look at his words. Why would anyone want to bring a weapon to a benign event like a WV Blog meet? He has already said that it was to cause liberals to "wet their pants."
Why would anyone over the age of four wet their pants unless they were in danger?
Why would anyone want to endanger people at a WV Blog meet?
Only to intimidate.
End of debate.
Well, one way is to look at his words. Why would anyone want to bring a weapon to a benign event like a WV Blog meet? He has already said that it was to cause liberals to "wet their pants."
Why would anyone over the age of four wet their pants unless they were in danger?
Why would anyone want to endanger people at a WV Blog meet?
Only to intimidate.
End of debate.
Nathan said:
WS Clark,
I'll be waiting for the police to talk to me. Do you know with whom you spoke on the phone? The officers name?
If you can't give me a name then I am saying you are full of crap.
I have nothing to fear because I have done nothing wrong. Unless causing a bunch of liberals to soil themselves is against the law?
I'll be waiting for the police to talk to me. Do you know with whom you spoke on the phone? The officers name?
If you can't give me a name then I am saying you are full of crap.
I have nothing to fear because I have done nothing wrong. Unless causing a bunch of liberals to soil themselves is against the law?
Nathan said:
What is really telling about all this is that Julie seemed to understand my comment just fine.
Lets look at what she said:
"It's just gotta be a bigger gun than Mike's :)"
Lets look at what she said:
"It's just gotta be a bigger gun than Mike's :)"
WSClark said:
Perhaps you just can't figure this out, Mr. Price. As a citizen of Wichita and Sedgwick County, I have asked that your request for a concealed carry permit be denied. That obviously will take a moment or two, but that does not mean that I did not make a report.
Fortunately for you, the Sheriff has more to do than deal with your sorry ass. I expect an answer from them and I am sure that they will do so. I have not made a report accusing you of a direct threat (since I certainly am not afraid of a punk like you) but
I have requested that you be denied your permit.
As a citizen, that is my right. You made a veiled threat and I called you out on it.
Sucks to be you, Nathan.
BTW - I made my report via the Internet, Price. Some of us know how to do that. Do you need the web site address?
Fortunately for you, the Sheriff has more to do than deal with your sorry ass. I expect an answer from them and I am sure that they will do so. I have not made a report accusing you of a direct threat (since I certainly am not afraid of a punk like you) but
I have requested that you be denied your permit.
As a citizen, that is my right. You made a veiled threat and I called you out on it.
Sucks to be you, Nathan.
BTW - I made my report via the Internet, Price. Some of us know how to do that. Do you need the web site address?
rm6046 said:
Hey guys! As they say, "my dog ain't in this fight"; but, having said that, isn't this whole thing being blown way, way out of proportion? From a detached independent point of view, what started out as an unfortunate, uncalled-for remark, kinda' like Imus' "nappy headed hos", is turning into a "my dick's bigger than your dick" deal. I have nothing but respect for both of you, and have never been treated with anything but respect by either of you ... and, God knows, we haven't agreed one every topic all the time (how boring would that be?). You're both grown men, deservant of respect shown to you. How about showing some for each other. 'Nuf said.
WSClark said:
Do you mean that I should show the same respect to Mr. Price that he has shown to me?
Sorry, RM, but there are people that now will not attend a WV Blog meet because of Mr. Price's comments.
That is sad, because I do respect and care for those people. The WV meet is now dead because a little punk made some threats that we totally uncalled for.
And now he is going to lose his CC permit because of his poor judgment.
That is his problem.
Mr. Price chose to suggest that he was going to make "liberals wet their pants."
After VTech, how else should we take it?
Sorry, RM, but there are people that now will not attend a WV Blog meet because of Mr. Price's comments.
That is sad, because I do respect and care for those people. The WV meet is now dead because a little punk made some threats that we totally uncalled for.
And now he is going to lose his CC permit because of his poor judgment.
That is his problem.
Mr. Price chose to suggest that he was going to make "liberals wet their pants."
After VTech, how else should we take it?
Nathan said:
Fortunately for me there is not a clause in the law saying that I should be denied a permit because some liberal doesn't want me to have one.
I see how "serious" of a threat I am for you to go out of your way to use the internet to log a complaint...
LOL
I see how "serious" of a threat I am for you to go out of your way to use the internet to log a complaint...
LOL
WSClark said:
This is the link for the folks that grant CC permits.
http://www.sedgwickcounty.org/sheriff/
See you all in an hour or two - dinner calls!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.sedgwickcounty.org/sheriff/
See you all in an hour or two - dinner calls!!!!!!!!!!
WSClark said:
"because some liberal doesn't want me to have one."
Perhaps to are not as "worthy" as you claim, Mr. Price. It is not because a "liberal" doesn't want you to have one - it is because a respectable citizen of the County has asked that you be denied a permit because of your threats.
One way or another, I will make sure that you do not have a permit to carry a weapon in open society, Mr. Price.
And you can bet on that.
Perhaps to are not as "worthy" as you claim, Mr. Price. It is not because a "liberal" doesn't want you to have one - it is because a respectable citizen of the County has asked that you be denied a permit because of your threats.
One way or another, I will make sure that you do not have a permit to carry a weapon in open society, Mr. Price.
And you can bet on that.
Nathan said:
Well,
Whatever happens, happens.
I never threatened you WS Clark or anyone else. I would never hurt anyone or use my weapon inappropriately.
You can sit here and harp on me all you want, threaten me with contacting the media or police all you want.
This is getting beyond rediculous.
Whatever happens, happens.
I never threatened you WS Clark or anyone else. I would never hurt anyone or use my weapon inappropriately.
You can sit here and harp on me all you want, threaten me with contacting the media or police all you want.
This is getting beyond rediculous.
rm6046 said:
Certainly after Virginia Tech, after Columbine, indeed, after Whitman in the Tower in Austin, (which you and I are old enough to remember vividly), every thinking person's awareness is heightened. But if we staged to "red alert" every time somebody made an irresponsible or stupid remark, we'd need to increase law enforcement personnel one hundred fold just to handle those calls.
Should Nathan have said what he said -- the way he said it? Hell, no. Likewise, IMHO, did he say it to threaten or intimidate anyone, or screw up the get-together? I don't think so. Who among us, my friend, have not, at one time or another, fired off some insanely stupid remark that even as we were saying it, hoped like hell nobody picked up on it? I sure as hell have...more times than I wish to recall. The problem here is that it is in print, incapable of being "talked over" or ignored or any of the hundred other things have can save our asses. Nathan's statement is right there, in black and white ... to be read, and re-read and continue to piss you off, and then "Boom!", somebody explodes !
It's unfortunate, and again, IMO, Nathan should apologize to anyone that was offended or feels intimidated by his remark. But, that's up to him, not me. It's "take a deep breath time", old buddy. And, as much as it pains me to recall, we were young once, too. And with age, our screw-ups still occur...just less often...we hope, anyway!
Should Nathan have said what he said -- the way he said it? Hell, no. Likewise, IMHO, did he say it to threaten or intimidate anyone, or screw up the get-together? I don't think so. Who among us, my friend, have not, at one time or another, fired off some insanely stupid remark that even as we were saying it, hoped like hell nobody picked up on it? I sure as hell have...more times than I wish to recall. The problem here is that it is in print, incapable of being "talked over" or ignored or any of the hundred other things have can save our asses. Nathan's statement is right there, in black and white ... to be read, and re-read and continue to piss you off, and then "Boom!", somebody explodes !
It's unfortunate, and again, IMO, Nathan should apologize to anyone that was offended or feels intimidated by his remark. But, that's up to him, not me. It's "take a deep breath time", old buddy. And, as much as it pains me to recall, we were young once, too. And with age, our screw-ups still occur...just less often...we hope, anyway!
lindainks55 said:
It was beyond ridiculous the moment a meetup was announced and the first words you posted had to do with bringing a gun. Whether you meant it as a joke, were hoping to get a reaction, or it goes to depths I can't imagine it was a very immature, unnecessary and threatening (to me) post. It made an event I had looked forward to one I can't attend. Using the threat of possessing a gun isn't the way a sane rational adult behaves. A person who is capable of such a threat may be capable of much more.
rm6046 said:
And, let's all take a moment to remember where the hell Nathan has been for the last umpteen months, for every one of us. That's not an excuse, it's a fact. Conduct under potential fire or a woman walking down the street ten feet from you strapped with 80 pounds of C-4, 24/7, is different than here in Doodah. Adapting back doesn't happen overnight, folks.
lindainks55 said:
I've thought of that too. It makes it more frightening.
I don't know anything about Nathan except what he has posted here. Many times he seems very angry with me. I have thought of little else since he posted those words. I think it is a very scary situation for someone who can behave this way to be in possession of a firearm. Guns don't hurt anyone but people who possess them do.
I am not an enemy. I don't want to be mistaken for one.
I don't know anything about Nathan except what he has posted here. Many times he seems very angry with me. I have thought of little else since he posted those words. I think it is a very scary situation for someone who can behave this way to be in possession of a firearm. Guns don't hurt anyone but people who possess them do.
I am not an enemy. I don't want to be mistaken for one.
WSClark52 said:
"I should report you to the police."
Go right ahead, Nathan, go for it. Unlike you, I have made not threats.
What are you going to report me for - being a liberal?
Despite your wishes, being a liberal is still legal.
Go right ahead, Nathan, go for it. Unlike you, I have made not threats.
What are you going to report me for - being a liberal?
Despite your wishes, being a liberal is still legal.
Nathan said:
Oh my goodness, you people play the victim card like pros!
I have told you time and time again that I am no threat to you and I wouldn't harm you.
If you want to throw a pity party, I am sure that you can all get together somewhere on the day of the meetup you are not attending and do so.
I can't do anymore than I already have to tell you that I wouldn't threaten your lives.
It is obvious to me now that you don't care about the truth, you only want to play the poor little me victim card.
Don't go to the meet up, sit in your little home and pout about what an awful person I am. I don't care.
Julie seemed to get my comment just fine without throwing some little tantrum about me threatining everyone.
I have told you time and time again that I am no threat to you and I wouldn't harm you.
If you want to throw a pity party, I am sure that you can all get together somewhere on the day of the meetup you are not attending and do so.
I can't do anymore than I already have to tell you that I wouldn't threaten your lives.
It is obvious to me now that you don't care about the truth, you only want to play the poor little me victim card.
Don't go to the meet up, sit in your little home and pout about what an awful person I am. I don't care.
Julie seemed to get my comment just fine without throwing some little tantrum about me threatining everyone.
WSClark said:
Sorry, RM, but this is not the first time that Nathan has acted inappropriately. This is consistent with his past behavior. I could really care less about him, but his threats affect my family. If it was just me, I would not care, but how do I know that his threats would not eventually harm my kids or my grand kids?
I am not willing to take that chance. I had planned to bring my son and my granddaughter with me to the WV Blog meet. My son, given his size and strength could easily handle Nathan one-on-one, but I do not want him or my granddaughter exposed to some wannabe with a gun and a grudge.
Sorry - it just ain't worth it.
My family is a lot more important than N. Price could ever be.
I am not willing to take that chance. I had planned to bring my son and my granddaughter with me to the WV Blog meet. My son, given his size and strength could easily handle Nathan one-on-one, but I do not want him or my granddaughter exposed to some wannabe with a gun and a grudge.
Sorry - it just ain't worth it.
My family is a lot more important than N. Price could ever be.
WSClark52 said:
"I have told you time and time again that I am no threat to you and I wouldn't harm you.
Despite your wishes, carrying a weapon concealed is still legal."
You carrying a concealed weapon will not be legal if I have any say in the manner.
And I will, one way or another.
And sorry if I do not believe you, Mr. Price, but I am sure that Cho's associates did not think that he was a threat either.
You can't make the threats you have an expect me to ignore them.
No chance.
And I will not take a chance on you either.
Ever.
Despite your wishes, carrying a weapon concealed is still legal."
You carrying a concealed weapon will not be legal if I have any say in the manner.
And I will, one way or another.
And sorry if I do not believe you, Mr. Price, but I am sure that Cho's associates did not think that he was a threat either.
You can't make the threats you have an expect me to ignore them.
No chance.
And I will not take a chance on you either.
Ever.
Nathan said:
WS Clark,
I have made no threats other than I am going to be legally carrying a concealed weapon when I get my permit.
Sorry. No threat there.
Now you are dragging your family into this. You are a sad, sick, old man when you have to drag your family into this. I have not threatened them or you.
I have made no threats other than I am going to be legally carrying a concealed weapon when I get my permit.
Sorry. No threat there.
Now you are dragging your family into this. You are a sad, sick, old man when you have to drag your family into this. I have not threatened them or you.
WSClark said:
"Now you are dragging your family into this. You are a sad, sick, old man when you have to drag your family into this. I have not threatened them or you."
So why announce that you will have a permit at that time so that you can carry a gun to make "the liberals wet their pants?"
Why? What was your intent other than to intimidate?
And why would I take a chance that you meant no harm?
So, I have absolutely no reason to trust you.
So why announce that you will have a permit at that time so that you can carry a gun to make "the liberals wet their pants?"
Why? What was your intent other than to intimidate?
And why would I take a chance that you meant no harm?
So, I have absolutely no reason to trust you.
WSClark said:
"I have told you time and time again that I am no threat to you and I wouldn't harm you."
Yep, and we have EVERY reason to trust you, Nathan. Yep, there is NO reason that anyone would not want to trust you.
Other than liberals, of course.
And normal human beings.
And the children of normal human beings.
And the grandchildren of normal human beings.
And anyone within range of a normal human being.
Well, I guess that means that no one should trust you, Nathan.
Sorry.
Yep, and we have EVERY reason to trust you, Nathan. Yep, there is NO reason that anyone would not want to trust you.
Other than liberals, of course.
And normal human beings.
And the children of normal human beings.
And the grandchildren of normal human beings.
And anyone within range of a normal human being.
Well, I guess that means that no one should trust you, Nathan.
Sorry.
WSClark said:
It is rather obvious that you do not have any children of your own, Price. If you did, you would understand that you do not needlessly put them at risk. You do not take chances that some madman (that's you) is going to take a shot, miss and hit them. Even if the risk is slim (you promised that you wouldn't shoot me) you don't take the chance.
It would be one thing if it was just me (that could be shot) but I would be irresponsible to put my children or grandchildren at risk just to make a show of it. I do not need to display my courage at the risk of my family.
You have previously proven that you cannot be trusted, Mr. Price. I will not take a chance with my granddaughter or my son.
And that is why I have contacted the Sedgwick County Sheriffs Office.
I don't need to wait to see how far you will take this.
It would be one thing if it was just me (that could be shot) but I would be irresponsible to put my children or grandchildren at risk just to make a show of it. I do not need to display my courage at the risk of my family.
You have previously proven that you cannot be trusted, Mr. Price. I will not take a chance with my granddaughter or my son.
And that is why I have contacted the Sedgwick County Sheriffs Office.
I don't need to wait to see how far you will take this.
Nathan said:
WS Clark,
Now go back and look at my list of other places I will be legally carrying concealed so that you con continue to hide from me.
The meet up will not be the only place I will legally be carrying concealed.
If I were you, I would hide in my home for good. There are many others out there carrying concealed too!
Now go back and look at my list of other places I will be legally carrying concealed so that you con continue to hide from me.
The meet up will not be the only place I will legally be carrying concealed.
If I were you, I would hide in my home for good. There are many others out there carrying concealed too!
darwinsdisciple said:
Come on you guys, Nathan is a complete joke. He still lives with his dad and stepmom for heavens sake. He is unable to finish his degrees. The man is one very sad FUCK-UP. Please don't give him power he doesn't deserve. Thank you.
Nathan said:
Obviously there are many who trust me.
I was trusted by my Battalion Commander, Executive Officer, and Company Commander with over 1.5 million dollars in weaponry while I was in Iraq.
I had .50 caliber machine guns, 7.62mm Machine guns, M-16's, 9mm's, and lots of ammo.
I carried around a loaded 9mm all day long.
I don't care if you trust me or not. There are people immenently more important and of prominence who do.
You are a sheep WS Clark. I am a sheep dog. You scorn me now, but when the wolf comes to your door you will be crying for my help.
I was trusted by my Battalion Commander, Executive Officer, and Company Commander with over 1.5 million dollars in weaponry while I was in Iraq.
I had .50 caliber machine guns, 7.62mm Machine guns, M-16's, 9mm's, and lots of ammo.
I carried around a loaded 9mm all day long.
I don't care if you trust me or not. There are people immenently more important and of prominence who do.
You are a sheep WS Clark. I am a sheep dog. You scorn me now, but when the wolf comes to your door you will be crying for my help.
Nathan said:
Darwin,
I moved in with my parents one week before I deployed for war and I am moving out this week.
They stored my belongings while I was deployed.
I will be finishing my degree next year. When you are deployed it tends to put a hold on finishing school.
But feel free to try to take your cheap shots at me.
I moved in with my parents one week before I deployed for war and I am moving out this week.
They stored my belongings while I was deployed.
I will be finishing my degree next year. When you are deployed it tends to put a hold on finishing school.
But feel free to try to take your cheap shots at me.
WSClark said:
As I said, Price, if I have anything to do with it, you will never be legally carrying a weapon. I don't need to hide from you, I certainly am not personally afraid of you, but I will not put my family at risk.
I have no fear of anyone legally carrying a weapon - as I said, I have owned weapons in the past.
I just have to question the sanity of someone that has to announce that he is going to carry a weapon to a social gathering to make liberals "wet their pants."
That is sick and your continued threatening language is even sicker.
In the morning, I will be contacting the Marine Corp about you. You are a sick son of a bitch and this has to stop. Your barely concealed threats do a great disservice to our men and women in the Armed Services. You are a sick young man. Normal people do not make the threats that you have.
God help you, Price. You are in serious need of mental health services.
Really.
This has gone way beyond the joking stage. You need help young man. You are a potential danger to society and I will make sure that the appropriate authorities know about you.
Christ. Get some help before you VTech Wichita!
I have no fear of anyone legally carrying a weapon - as I said, I have owned weapons in the past.
I just have to question the sanity of someone that has to announce that he is going to carry a weapon to a social gathering to make liberals "wet their pants."
That is sick and your continued threatening language is even sicker.
In the morning, I will be contacting the Marine Corp about you. You are a sick son of a bitch and this has to stop. Your barely concealed threats do a great disservice to our men and women in the Armed Services. You are a sick young man. Normal people do not make the threats that you have.
God help you, Price. You are in serious need of mental health services.
Really.
This has gone way beyond the joking stage. You need help young man. You are a potential danger to society and I will make sure that the appropriate authorities know about you.
Christ. Get some help before you VTech Wichita!
Nathan said:
WS Clark,
If you start actually contacting people about me, I will contact the courts and get you on Harrassment.
Think about exactly how far you want to take this.
If you start actually contacting people about me, I will contact the courts and get you on Harrassment.
Think about exactly how far you want to take this.
Nathan said:
WS Clark,
When you step out of the blog to the real world, then things like lawsuits happen.
You want to talk about threats, then listen to this one:
I will sue your sorry ass to the max if you start trying to defamate my character in the work place.
It will no longer be fun and games on the blog :)
When you step out of the blog to the real world, then things like lawsuits happen.
You want to talk about threats, then listen to this one:
I will sue your sorry ass to the max if you start trying to defamate my character in the work place.
It will no longer be fun and games on the blog :)
Nathan said:
I actually thought the stupidty wouldn't get too much for me here.
I was wrong. I think I am done with this topic.
I was wrong. I think I am done with this topic.
WSClark52 said:
"If you start actually contacting people about me, I will contact the courts and get you on Harrassment."
I have already contacted the Sedgwick County Sheriff about you, Mr. Price, and I WILL contact the Marines about you as well. You have threatened me once and then again.
You asked to play hardball, young man, and now this is hardball.
And what does "defamate" mean?
You think that this is a big joke - it is not. You made threats and your status as a Marine is not going to excuse you. Even Marines do not get to make threats.
Sue me? Go right ahead, Price. Go for it. I have your threats down in black and white. Go for it, little man.
Lawsuits? You are going to get a dishonorable from the Marines and lose any hope you have of a CC permit.
You do not get to threaten citizens, no matter what branch of the service you are in.
PS - Learn to spell or at least use spell check.
I have already contacted the Sedgwick County Sheriff about you, Mr. Price, and I WILL contact the Marines about you as well. You have threatened me once and then again.
You asked to play hardball, young man, and now this is hardball.
And what does "defamate" mean?
You think that this is a big joke - it is not. You made threats and your status as a Marine is not going to excuse you. Even Marines do not get to make threats.
Sue me? Go right ahead, Price. Go for it. I have your threats down in black and white. Go for it, little man.
Lawsuits? You are going to get a dishonorable from the Marines and lose any hope you have of a CC permit.
You do not get to threaten citizens, no matter what branch of the service you are in.
PS - Learn to spell or at least use spell check.
Predestined said:
MIST Law (Man In The Street):
The number of people watching you is directly proportional to the stupidity of your action.
The number of people watching you is directly proportional to the stupidity of your action.
Dubya said:
...and Good Morning. Good grief. Sorry I missed the all the romper-room action.
Nathan, there is no need to comment about the guns you are or are not going to be carrying. Whether or not its legal, given the crap that happened at VT recently, talking about bringing a weapon to a place with people who have never met you can cause a bit of a panic.
For everyone: Has anyone here read the Four Agreements? Just curious. It's a very interesting (and short) book from a descendent of the Toltecs (Central America) who has passed on the traditions of the Four Agreements for centuries.
It's a great, fast read:
Copy this URL for the book -> http://tinyurl.com/2ec2th
Anyway, I know it's difficult to keep angry words from coming out when people are specifically jabbing. Let's just try to stay on topic, if we can.
~Dubya
Nathan, there is no need to comment about the guns you are or are not going to be carrying. Whether or not its legal, given the crap that happened at VT recently, talking about bringing a weapon to a place with people who have never met you can cause a bit of a panic.
For everyone: Has anyone here read the Four Agreements? Just curious. It's a very interesting (and short) book from a descendent of the Toltecs (Central America) who has passed on the traditions of the Four Agreements for centuries.
It's a great, fast read:
Copy this URL for the book -> http://tinyurl.com/2ec2th
Anyway, I know it's difficult to keep angry words from coming out when people are specifically jabbing. Let's just try to stay on topic, if we can.
~Dubya
tracyaphillips said:
Nathan, those are some goddamned low-life remarks.
YOU LEAVE ME FAMILY OUT OF YOUR BULLSHIT.
PERIOD.
LISTEN ASSHOLE~ PAY ATTTENTION, FOCUS NOW.
"I think you could probably trace it back to the WE blog when Tracy was all up in arms because we didn't support stem cell research.
Somehow my not supporting stem cell research is the reason Tracy's father is a parapalegic or something like that."
THAT IS THE BIGGEST GODDAMNED LIE YET.
You accused me of using my father as a "political tool".
Have you no sense of decency?
The poor man is in ICU as we speak.
I don't give a damn about you, your guns, or anything about you.
You accused me of making everything about you just recently.
That is about the most absurd thing yet.
I suggest you get a life and leave bloggers alone.
Especially me and/or any mention of my family.
Highly decorated marine?
What a joke.
YOU LEAVE ME FAMILY OUT OF YOUR BULLSHIT.
PERIOD.
LISTEN ASSHOLE~ PAY ATTTENTION, FOCUS NOW.
"I think you could probably trace it back to the WE blog when Tracy was all up in arms because we didn't support stem cell research.
Somehow my not supporting stem cell research is the reason Tracy's father is a parapalegic or something like that."
THAT IS THE BIGGEST GODDAMNED LIE YET.
You accused me of using my father as a "political tool".
Have you no sense of decency?
The poor man is in ICU as we speak.
I don't give a damn about you, your guns, or anything about you.
You accused me of making everything about you just recently.
That is about the most absurd thing yet.
I suggest you get a life and leave bloggers alone.
Especially me and/or any mention of my family.
Highly decorated marine?
What a joke.
tracyaphillips said:
How's that for topic.
I say we vote the asshole OFF the blog.
He's used my father's disability as an excuse for his anti-social behavior ONE TOO MANY TIMES!
good grief
I say we vote the asshole OFF the blog.
He's used my father's disability as an excuse for his anti-social behavior ONE TOO MANY TIMES!
good grief
Julie said:
Argh!!
Well I'm sorry that the meetup went to hell in a handbasket.
My response to Nathan's comment about his gun having to be bigger than Mike's was a flippant, sarcastic remark.
Do I think Nathan would hurt someone? No not really. I think the gun is more of a show off piece (you know the joke about boys and their toys). However the remark for pant wetting was uncalled for and in my opinion an attempt at intimidation. (And as most of you know what I do, you will realize that I work with people trying to intimidate me on a very regular basis.)
I don't want to exclude anybody from the meetup. I was so looking forward to seeing Linda again and meeting Clark.We all are big people and can make our own decisions. Nathan, you know I'd love for you to come but if you do, please leave the gun in your vehicle. If you want to show it off, please have it in your vehicle unloaded. I would appreciate it.
Well I'm sorry that the meetup went to hell in a handbasket.
My response to Nathan's comment about his gun having to be bigger than Mike's was a flippant, sarcastic remark.
Do I think Nathan would hurt someone? No not really. I think the gun is more of a show off piece (you know the joke about boys and their toys). However the remark for pant wetting was uncalled for and in my opinion an attempt at intimidation. (And as most of you know what I do, you will realize that I work with people trying to intimidate me on a very regular basis.)
I don't want to exclude anybody from the meetup. I was so looking forward to seeing Linda again and meeting Clark.We all are big people and can make our own decisions. Nathan, you know I'd love for you to come but if you do, please leave the gun in your vehicle. If you want to show it off, please have it in your vehicle unloaded. I would appreciate it.
tracyaphillips said:
Why would you want him there?
What does he contribute to the meet?
Tension?
Is he just to be there in defiance of everbody's wishes,just to make a point?
Ya'll have fun.
What does he contribute to the meet?
Tension?
Is he just to be there in defiance of everbody's wishes,just to make a point?
Ya'll have fun.
rm6046 said:
Just out of curiosity, Julie, what do you do? It's none of my business, you understand, but apparently since "most" of us know already, I feel left out. :D
lindainks55 said:
I don't know who Mike is or why he has a gun. I don't know what you do Julie. The only time I met you I was soooo dazzled and entranced with your daughters you didn't "catch" my attention as readily. lol Those two are hard to compete with and I imagine they get most people's attention easily! Everyone there was someone I didn't know and the time was so short I'm not sure I even said hello to everyone. That's why another meetup where a few faces would already be familiar, and some stories and laughs already shared would have been such fun. I'll talk this over with Wayne. He is the smartest, most level-headed person I've ever met in my life. His advice is always worth listening to! And he doesn't vote -- argh. ????
Wendy said:
Julie,
I would have liked to attend the meetup as well, but I'm sorry, if ANYONE is going to have guns present, I don't want to come. Maybe that's a naive viewpoint, but I am not afraid to admit that guns scare me. Well, maybe more accurately people with guns scare me. (probably comes from having an ex level a loaded 12 gauge at my face) And I don't want to knowingly be in the presence of a gun. So that's fine, if Nathan wants to bring his gun to the meet up let him. He is free to do so. And I am free to not attend. Should you decide to organize a get together that will be gun-free, I will be happy to come. I am disappointed I will not be able to attend this meetup as I was looking forward to it. But seriously, Nathan and his childish posturing and rants have pretty much ruined that for me...
I would have liked to attend the meetup as well, but I'm sorry, if ANYONE is going to have guns present, I don't want to come. Maybe that's a naive viewpoint, but I am not afraid to admit that guns scare me. Well, maybe more accurately people with guns scare me. (probably comes from having an ex level a loaded 12 gauge at my face) And I don't want to knowingly be in the presence of a gun. So that's fine, if Nathan wants to bring his gun to the meet up let him. He is free to do so. And I am free to not attend. Should you decide to organize a get together that will be gun-free, I will be happy to come. I am disappointed I will not be able to attend this meetup as I was looking forward to it. But seriously, Nathan and his childish posturing and rants have pretty much ruined that for me...
Julie said:
RM and Linda,
I am the Municipal Court Clerk for a small but rapidly expanding city just outside Wichita.
I am used to acts of intimidation and threats of violence. But when I worked for Wichita Municipal Court the intimidation and threats were worse.
Mike (aka XXX) brought a gun to show to a few select people at a meetup a year ago. I know it was kept in the parking lot and I think it was unloaded.
I am the Municipal Court Clerk for a small but rapidly expanding city just outside Wichita.
I am used to acts of intimidation and threats of violence. But when I worked for Wichita Municipal Court the intimidation and threats were worse.
Mike (aka XXX) brought a gun to show to a few select people at a meetup a year ago. I know it was kept in the parking lot and I think it was unloaded.
rm6046 said:
Damn, Julie, what a crappy job! Having to deal with those damned lawyers every day ... you're a braver person than I. You go girl! :)
longhorn said:
So Nathan has repeatedly admitted that the only reason he comes here is to find a fight. He knows he is not welcome, but he insists on his "rights" as a poster and his "rights" as a gun carrier. He insists he will be here to intimidate and pronounce people wrong. Sounds like he insists on being here no matter what. Just like he insists on carrying his gun to the meetup.
Clark, there is a bone dig available on blog x where nathan bragged about carrying illegally. His dad did too, but I find Hank a lot more stable than the pup.
Tim McVeigh was a decorated military guy too. And he went off the deep end. I dont think being a marksman or trainer or guadian of the guns for the military is exactly a "get out of jail free" card. Not when you post threatening statements. And given the venom of your posts on both blogs, I think there is ample evidence of your thoughts about harming others.
If Nathan really was a gentleman, and he really had no evil intentions, then he would stay away from the meetup. And he would say so publicly.
I own and use guns too. I am not afraid of the guns. I am concerned about the gun nuts who own them. And use them. Isnt it the NRA who always says "guns dont kill people. People kill people"?
For some of us, it isnt the gun we are worried about. It is the person behind the gun named nathan.
Oh, and nathan? I dont care how many republican christian military character witnesses you produce. Your threatening words on this blog, and your admission on the other blog that you carried concealed BEFORE it was legal should be of concern to law enforcement.
On the internet, your words are forever. I think the Sheriff is capable of reading and understanding.
Clark, there is a bone dig available on blog x where nathan bragged about carrying illegally. His dad did too, but I find Hank a lot more stable than the pup.
Tim McVeigh was a decorated military guy too. And he went off the deep end. I dont think being a marksman or trainer or guadian of the guns for the military is exactly a "get out of jail free" card. Not when you post threatening statements. And given the venom of your posts on both blogs, I think there is ample evidence of your thoughts about harming others.
If Nathan really was a gentleman, and he really had no evil intentions, then he would stay away from the meetup. And he would say so publicly.
I own and use guns too. I am not afraid of the guns. I am concerned about the gun nuts who own them. And use them. Isnt it the NRA who always says "guns dont kill people. People kill people"?
For some of us, it isnt the gun we are worried about. It is the person behind the gun named nathan.
Oh, and nathan? I dont care how many republican christian military character witnesses you produce. Your threatening words on this blog, and your admission on the other blog that you carried concealed BEFORE it was legal should be of concern to law enforcement.
On the internet, your words are forever. I think the Sheriff is capable of reading and understanding.
Julie said:
Since I am the one organizing our band of bloggers with differing opinions. I do hereby declare this to be a Gun Free Meet Up. If you have a CC permit and wish to have protection via a weapon with you please leave that weapon in your locked vehicle.
I make this declaration because many of our loyal bloggers do not wish to be around guns and there will be children present.
The meet up will be held at OJ Watson Park in Shelter #1 which is adjacent to a playground. We will be sharing the shelter with other parties (and I believe those may be children's birthday parties).
I wish all to attend and have a safe and fun meet up.
signed,
the organizer
Danny said:
I don't know if what Nathan said was meant to be threatening, I'm not a mind reader, or meant as a joke or what. What I do know, is it seems is that some or many are not going to attend as a result. For me, the problem is words typed don't convey the emotion and body language to get an accurate interpretation.
Julie said:
I just called Watson Park (529-9940) and asked about CC in the park. I was informed that it is NOT allowed. They have the signs posted.
If you would like to call and verify please feel free.
If you would like to call and verify please feel free.
longhorn said:
For me, the problem is words typed DO convey the emotion if not body language to get an accurate interpretation.
So, mr. expert in all things gun related didnt KNOW Watson was a cc free zone? Does nathan just carry his gun wherever he pleases, whether or not it is legal?
Clark, I think the Sheriff just got more "ammunition".
So, mr. expert in all things gun related didnt KNOW Watson was a cc free zone? Does nathan just carry his gun wherever he pleases, whether or not it is legal?
Clark, I think the Sheriff just got more "ammunition".
Nathan said:
Here is the problem.
This has nothing to do with a gun or me having a gun.
WS Clark, Tracy, and Linda, maybe a few others simply don't like me.
That is fine, but their remarks here towards me since day one have shown absolute disdain and hatred towards me.
I have tried several times to expalian to them that I am here to argue about politics and that I don't take this stuff personally.
I have tried to do nothing but directly comment on their topics and writings.
I have repeatedly stated several times that I would never do anything to harm anyone unless they were tryring to harm me or someone else.
They are irrational. The more I say I am not threatening them, the more WS Clark comes over the top saying I am. I can't win. Who can win when you are dealing with such hatred and irrationality?
I have been to almost every sinlge blog meetup. I have eaten dinner with Julie and her husband. If anyone can attest to my not being some awful person she could.
Even when she said guns were not allowed, asked me not to bring it, and still attend, Linda still doesn't want me there.
It doesn't matter if I am bringing a gun or if I was bringing pea salad, it is obvious that there is such hatred from several on the left here that they simply don't want me to come.
Yet these are some of the same posters who constantly type here about everyone having their own opinion and own interpretation and understanding.
It is sheer total and utter hypocrisy.
I may have different opinions than you. I come here to discuss politics and argue. That is what I do on a blog. WS Clark was practically begging for it when I did start to come here.
Now when I do argue about what you say, you accuse me of coming here to cause trouble?
Well, start a topic about cooking or construction or gardening. I wont argue with you. If you are going to say something political which I disagree with on a public blog then be prepared for me to try to argue with you.
The crying and whining on this blog is simply pathetic.
I have never done anything to any of you other than disagree.
If you can't handle that, then perhaps it is you who should stop blogging here.
Once again, I never threatened any of you. I even placed a smiley face after it.
I was simply amazed that some here went so far with their reaction to it.
I have nothing to apologize for. I have been submitted to more threats by WS Clark then I have ever made.
WS Clark, Linda, and Tracy have been more vile to me than I have to them.
I am not going to be intimidated by a bunch of name calling because I post things which disagree with you.
The only person I apologize to about anything is Julie. I know what a nice wonderful person she is and I never expected people here to get so bent out of shape. She is the only one who seemed to even get the comment.
Well, I expected some to get bent out of shape, not just this much.
I will not bring my pistol if I do attend out of respect for Julies wishes. I will check the laws regarding concealed carry in the park. If they would have had a sign posted I would not have carry concealed.
Now lets see who continues on with their irrational rants...
This has nothing to do with a gun or me having a gun.
WS Clark, Tracy, and Linda, maybe a few others simply don't like me.
That is fine, but their remarks here towards me since day one have shown absolute disdain and hatred towards me.
I have tried several times to expalian to them that I am here to argue about politics and that I don't take this stuff personally.
I have tried to do nothing but directly comment on their topics and writings.
I have repeatedly stated several times that I would never do anything to harm anyone unless they were tryring to harm me or someone else.
They are irrational. The more I say I am not threatening them, the more WS Clark comes over the top saying I am. I can't win. Who can win when you are dealing with such hatred and irrationality?
I have been to almost every sinlge blog meetup. I have eaten dinner with Julie and her husband. If anyone can attest to my not being some awful person she could.
Even when she said guns were not allowed, asked me not to bring it, and still attend, Linda still doesn't want me there.
It doesn't matter if I am bringing a gun or if I was bringing pea salad, it is obvious that there is such hatred from several on the left here that they simply don't want me to come.
Yet these are some of the same posters who constantly type here about everyone having their own opinion and own interpretation and understanding.
It is sheer total and utter hypocrisy.
I may have different opinions than you. I come here to discuss politics and argue. That is what I do on a blog. WS Clark was practically begging for it when I did start to come here.
Now when I do argue about what you say, you accuse me of coming here to cause trouble?
Well, start a topic about cooking or construction or gardening. I wont argue with you. If you are going to say something political which I disagree with on a public blog then be prepared for me to try to argue with you.
The crying and whining on this blog is simply pathetic.
I have never done anything to any of you other than disagree.
If you can't handle that, then perhaps it is you who should stop blogging here.
Once again, I never threatened any of you. I even placed a smiley face after it.
I was simply amazed that some here went so far with their reaction to it.
I have nothing to apologize for. I have been submitted to more threats by WS Clark then I have ever made.
WS Clark, Linda, and Tracy have been more vile to me than I have to them.
I am not going to be intimidated by a bunch of name calling because I post things which disagree with you.
The only person I apologize to about anything is Julie. I know what a nice wonderful person she is and I never expected people here to get so bent out of shape. She is the only one who seemed to even get the comment.
Well, I expected some to get bent out of shape, not just this much.
I will not bring my pistol if I do attend out of respect for Julies wishes. I will check the laws regarding concealed carry in the park. If they would have had a sign posted I would not have carry concealed.
Now lets see who continues on with their irrational rants...
tracyaphillips said:
LH, exactly.
Asshole is an admitted law breaker.
Do you think a sign with an x on it will change that?
Danny, believe me, you don't know all the BS people on the blogs have put up with from asshole.
Yeah right asshole, I blamed you for my dad's disability.
Goddamn, I STILL can't believe you actually typed that shit, asshole.
You must also be the troll that was making jokes about "poop on superman's cape", etc.
Pretty goddamned funny making jokes about a quad, huh?
Somehow, I got over it then.
Not now, I've had enough of your insults, asshole.
Asshole is an admitted law breaker.
Do you think a sign with an x on it will change that?
Danny, believe me, you don't know all the BS people on the blogs have put up with from asshole.
Yeah right asshole, I blamed you for my dad's disability.
Goddamn, I STILL can't believe you actually typed that shit, asshole.
You must also be the troll that was making jokes about "poop on superman's cape", etc.
Pretty goddamned funny making jokes about a quad, huh?
Somehow, I got over it then.
Not now, I've had enough of your insults, asshole.
Danny said:
Well, in that case, I would suggest he does not carry said weapon with him.
LH,
I guess, I've just gotten "callous" to I can't read emotion in typed words without some kind of cue. I guess it is why I try not to make things personal when I type something. I do think that is what happened with what was typed by Nathan though, it was made personal(intentionally or otherwise).
LH,
I guess, I've just gotten "callous" to I can't read emotion in typed words without some kind of cue. I guess it is why I try not to make things personal when I type something. I do think that is what happened with what was typed by Nathan though, it was made personal(intentionally or otherwise).
tracyaphillips said:
How's that rant asshole?
You aren't even ashamed of your BS saying that I used my father as a political tool?
THAT SAYS IT ALL.
Well, now I've got to spend my lunch hour at the hospital in ICU with my political tool.
Since he can't move I'll feed him.
unbelievable
You aren't even ashamed of your BS saying that I used my father as a political tool?
THAT SAYS IT ALL.
Well, now I've got to spend my lunch hour at the hospital in ICU with my political tool.
Since he can't move I'll feed him.
unbelievable
longhorn said:
Nathan, words have consequenses. Especially words posted in a public place. The only whining I hear is YOU whining because you were caught threatening to carry illegally. To a place that currently doesnt allow it. Seems like a responsible gun owner would have checked that out before issuing such threats.
I suspect you probably are harmless. But making the kind of gun threats and using the threat of cc to intimidate people is in opposition to the threats you have posted. And no, I dont think you are cho, but just to make a point...
...I'm sure most folks who actually knew him thought he was harmless too. But his WORDS and WRITING were enough to intimidate some of his classmates into going to the authorities and trying to get him removed from campus. I am sure they were called a buncha bedwetters and paranoids too.
Too bad THEIR bedwetting, soiling, and paranoia weren't taken seriously.
I suspect you probably are harmless. But making the kind of gun threats and using the threat of cc to intimidate people is in opposition to the threats you have posted. And no, I dont think you are cho, but just to make a point...
...I'm sure most folks who actually knew him thought he was harmless too. But his WORDS and WRITING were enough to intimidate some of his classmates into going to the authorities and trying to get him removed from campus. I am sure they were called a buncha bedwetters and paranoids too.
Too bad THEIR bedwetting, soiling, and paranoia weren't taken seriously.
Nathan said:
Tracy,
Once again, I said nothing about your father tracy.
There were no insults, there was nothing bad about him. I merely summerized what our conversation was about for rm.
And here you are doing exactly what you did on that blog. You are irrationally going off into meltdown mode as if I have personally insulted your father.
Once again, I said nothing about your father tracy.
There were no insults, there was nothing bad about him. I merely summerized what our conversation was about for rm.
And here you are doing exactly what you did on that blog. You are irrationally going off into meltdown mode as if I have personally insulted your father.
tracyaphillips said:
You have, now be a real man and go away.
Nobody here wants you here.
You suck.
period
I'm sure you're innocent AGAIN, and ALL of us just over react.
Now go away dickhead.
Nobody here wants you here.
You suck.
period
I'm sure you're innocent AGAIN, and ALL of us just over react.
Now go away dickhead.
Nathan said:
Longhorn,
No matter how much you try to twist what I said and monipulate it, it won't work.
I didn't threaten you or anyone else. I have said so repeatedly.
I never said I was going to carry concealed to the park. I said I would have my permit by then.
If you want to read into that comment that I would be carrying concealed at the park that is on you, not me.
No matter how much you try to twist what I said and monipulate it, it won't work.
I didn't threaten you or anyone else. I have said so repeatedly.
I never said I was going to carry concealed to the park. I said I would have my permit by then.
If you want to read into that comment that I would be carrying concealed at the park that is on you, not me.
Nathan said:
Tracy,
See how irrational you are? What have I said? I didn't say one thing about your father in a negative way.
Here you are going off in meltdown mode.
See how irrational you are? What have I said? I didn't say one thing about your father in a negative way.
Here you are going off in meltdown mode.
Nathan said:
Tracy,
I will keep posting here if for nothing else you want me to leave.
I am not going to be intimidated by your childish threatening rants because you think I insulted your father.
This is exactly what you did at the other blog. It didn't work there and it is not going to work here either.
I will keep posting here if for nothing else you want me to leave.
I am not going to be intimidated by your childish threatening rants because you think I insulted your father.
This is exactly what you did at the other blog. It didn't work there and it is not going to work here either.
Julie said:
Nathan,
I have posted the telephone number for Watson Park. Please feel free to call them to confirm my posting that they do not allow CC on park grounds.
I hope to see everybody at OJ Watson Park Saturday May 12 at 1 pm Shelter #1
I have posted the telephone number for Watson Park. Please feel free to call them to confirm my posting that they do not allow CC on park grounds.
I hope to see everybody at OJ Watson Park Saturday May 12 at 1 pm Shelter #1
longhorn said:
I think it's time to find another blog...
Nathan, you said you were bringing your gun to the park. No matter what. You said it. You said you didnt give a damn if any of us wanted you or your gun there, you were coming WITH your gun and we could all just STFU.
I could repost it but why? Your words here will stand forever. Glad you have no problem with the Sheriff reading what you wrote.
Heheheheh. The only whining I hear is from a big bad gun carrying marine who is whining because no one here wants to play with him.
"Waaaaaa Waaaaaaaa the other kids dont like me. Waaaaaa Waaaaaaaa"
You wanted a shit storm nathan and you got it. Why are YOU whining?
Nathan, you said you were bringing your gun to the park. No matter what. You said it. You said you didnt give a damn if any of us wanted you or your gun there, you were coming WITH your gun and we could all just STFU.
I could repost it but why? Your words here will stand forever. Glad you have no problem with the Sheriff reading what you wrote.
Heheheheh. The only whining I hear is from a big bad gun carrying marine who is whining because no one here wants to play with him.
"Waaaaaa Waaaaaaaa the other kids dont like me. Waaaaaa Waaaaaaaa"
You wanted a shit storm nathan and you got it. Why are YOU whining?
Danny said:
I decided to go back up and find what started this:
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Of course I will do my best to come. By then I should have my Concealed carry permit too.
Just want you liberal anti-gun people to wet your pants :)
Posted By Nathan | 4/24/07 1:49 PM
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Given that, I'm going to read everything and see if I can find where it was stated a gun was bring brought. However, going to do that over lunch.
Given that, please don't flame me to much, I'm sure I don't taste that great grilled, though I do grill things fairly well.
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Of course I will do my best to come. By then I should have my Concealed carry permit too.
Just want you liberal anti-gun people to wet your pants :)
Posted By Nathan | 4/24/07 1:49 PM
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Given that, I'm going to read everything and see if I can find where it was stated a gun was bring brought. However, going to do that over lunch.
Given that, please don't flame me to much, I'm sure I don't taste that great grilled, though I do grill things fairly well.
longhorn said:
Nathan, PLEASE!
"I never said I was going to carry concealed to the park. I said I would have my permit by then.
If you want to read into that comment that I would be carrying concealed at the park that is on you, not me."
Posted By Nathan | 4/25/07 11:26 AM
The meet up will not be the only place I will legally be carrying concealed.
Posted By Nathan | 4/24/07 11:04 PM
So yeah buddy, you did say you were going to be carring concealed at the meet up. Too bad you are so ignorant of the CURRENT gun laws you didnt know carrying in Watson Park was illegal.
And we should TRUST you with gun? When you lie and dont know the gun laws?
Woof. Julie, I'm really sorry but I think given nathan and his turd in the punchbowl attitude, a private, invitation only meetup is the only way to meet safely.
Nathan isnt the only person I am worried about causing trouble. JM? Republican? GS? et.al.?
If you all want a publicly announced meeting, I think you should go for it. Maybe some of the rest of us who feel more vulnerable could meet elsewhere and you could join us later?
Too bad a little turd like nathan can cause so much trouble. It seems to be his only mission here.
Nathan, of course it is your "right" to read and post here. But for the life of me why would you want to? I mean, other than to irritate, agitate, and aggrevate?
You prove with every post that you just want to cause trouble. It isnt hard for us to believe that is your intention attending the meetup as well.
"I never said I was going to carry concealed to the park. I said I would have my permit by then.
If you want to read into that comment that I would be carrying concealed at the park that is on you, not me."
Posted By Nathan | 4/25/07 11:26 AM
The meet up will not be the only place I will legally be carrying concealed.
Posted By Nathan | 4/24/07 11:04 PM
So yeah buddy, you did say you were going to be carring concealed at the meet up. Too bad you are so ignorant of the CURRENT gun laws you didnt know carrying in Watson Park was illegal.
And we should TRUST you with gun? When you lie and dont know the gun laws?
Woof. Julie, I'm really sorry but I think given nathan and his turd in the punchbowl attitude, a private, invitation only meetup is the only way to meet safely.
Nathan isnt the only person I am worried about causing trouble. JM? Republican? GS? et.al.?
If you all want a publicly announced meeting, I think you should go for it. Maybe some of the rest of us who feel more vulnerable could meet elsewhere and you could join us later?
Too bad a little turd like nathan can cause so much trouble. It seems to be his only mission here.
Nathan, of course it is your "right" to read and post here. But for the life of me why would you want to? I mean, other than to irritate, agitate, and aggrevate?
You prove with every post that you just want to cause trouble. It isnt hard for us to believe that is your intention attending the meetup as well.
Nathan said:
Longhorn,
Did you catch the word: "legally" in my comment. If it is not legal I won't be doing it.
You have to read into my comments and twist what I say to get the meaning you want.
I don't care what you want. I am not going to leave because some irrational person like you wants me to.
If you honestly think that anyone in Law Enforcement is going to give half a damn about what is posted here you are more sorry than I thought.
This whole thread is a joke. Like I said, no matter how many times I try to explain myself you nutjubs keep getting more extreme in your claims about me.
It is not right. You people need help.
Did you catch the word: "legally" in my comment. If it is not legal I won't be doing it.
You have to read into my comments and twist what I say to get the meaning you want.
I don't care what you want. I am not going to leave because some irrational person like you wants me to.
If you honestly think that anyone in Law Enforcement is going to give half a damn about what is posted here you are more sorry than I thought.
This whole thread is a joke. Like I said, no matter how many times I try to explain myself you nutjubs keep getting more extreme in your claims about me.
It is not right. You people need help.
tracyaphillips said:
"Somehow my not supporting stem cell research is the reason Tracy's father is a parapalegic or something like that." ~Nathan
Sound like an insult?
Get a job and a life.
Leave me alone.
Sound like an insult?
Get a job and a life.
Leave me alone.
Nathan said:
Tracy,
It was what the conversation was about. Several of us didn't support stem cell research and you went off the deep end saying we are the reason your father is not getting cured.
It was what the conversation was about. Several of us didn't support stem cell research and you went off the deep end saying we are the reason your father is not getting cured.
tracyaphillips said:
Nathan, THAT IS BULLSHIT.
"saying we are the reason your father is not getting cured" ~Nathan
that's pathetic.
Now go away, you stink up the blog.
"saying we are the reason your father is not getting cured" ~Nathan
that's pathetic.
Now go away, you stink up the blog.
Nathan said:
Every time you tell me to leave I will purposefully stay here and post twice as much as I normally would.
I am not giving in to your childish rants and demands.
I am not giving in to your childish rants and demands.
Danny said:
LH,
Yeah, I read those during lunch, was about ready to post them also. However, since you did for me. It does look clear to me that it was posted a concealed weapon was going to be brought.
Yeah, I read those during lunch, was about ready to post them also. However, since you did for me. It does look clear to me that it was posted a concealed weapon was going to be brought.
longhorn said:
...and he obviously doesnt care to know WHERE it is legal and when it is not. Hell, even I knew it wasnt legal and I have NO intention of every carrying concealed.
Funny that the trouble has followed you all from blogx when it was the damned liberals causing all the problems...
Funny that the trouble has followed you all from blogx when it was the damned liberals causing all the problems...
Nathan said:
Longhorn,
Exactly how do you know what my intentions were?
Exactly how do you know that I don't care to know where it is legal and illegal to carry?
You are purposefully trying to manipulate what has been said to suit your meaning.
I have never said any of the above things and yet you sit here accusing me of such.
Like I said, you are full of irrational hate and will do anything and say anything to make this worse than it ever was.
Exactly how do you know what my intentions were?
Exactly how do you know that I don't care to know where it is legal and illegal to carry?
You are purposefully trying to manipulate what has been said to suit your meaning.
I have never said any of the above things and yet you sit here accusing me of such.
Like I said, you are full of irrational hate and will do anything and say anything to make this worse than it ever was.
Wendy said:
Nathan,
the fact that nobody here likes you has nothing to do with your political viewpoints and everything to do with the deragatory way you "speak" to people.
You called Linda stupid. She has never said anything negative about you in anyway until the point where you call her stupid. YOU made it personal with name-calling. For that matter, you all but called me stupid as well, telling me I didn't know what I was talking about, when I had PROOF that you were wrong.
THAT is why noone likes you. It isn't about having differing viewpoints. Many of us on here have differeing viewpoints - some of us agree on some things and disagree on others. The difference is that NOONE else but YOU has ever spoken in such a deragatory manner to me. (I can't speak for your personal experience because I am not you) But any time that anyone else has disagreed with me on something, they are civil about it. YOU are not. THAT is the difference. THAT is why people don't like you here...
the fact that nobody here likes you has nothing to do with your political viewpoints and everything to do with the deragatory way you "speak" to people.
You called Linda stupid. She has never said anything negative about you in anyway until the point where you call her stupid. YOU made it personal with name-calling. For that matter, you all but called me stupid as well, telling me I didn't know what I was talking about, when I had PROOF that you were wrong.
THAT is why noone likes you. It isn't about having differing viewpoints. Many of us on here have differeing viewpoints - some of us agree on some things and disagree on others. The difference is that NOONE else but YOU has ever spoken in such a deragatory manner to me. (I can't speak for your personal experience because I am not you) But any time that anyone else has disagreed with me on something, they are civil about it. YOU are not. THAT is the difference. THAT is why people don't like you here...
Danny said:
LH,
I, like you, don't feel compelled to need a concealed carry weapon. If it is legal, then at the same time, I don't care that some is carrying one either. I don't think I need to be told that they are carrying one either. With that...
Nathan,
I think the issue at hand here is that initially you didn't state you were going to carry a weapon but what was said implied that. However tempered it was with what may have been sarcasm some took it seriously(rightfully so, in my opinion). Those who are like me, when I read things generally take them literally and as such need a bit better cuing when something isn't serious. So, as interpreted by me, this may have indicated intent to carry a weapon.
Then later, it was stated that you would carry legally(I did catch that) in the places that you could. However, in parks it isn't legal, at least at OJ Watson park it is not. So I hope you will not carry there.
I, like you, don't feel compelled to need a concealed carry weapon. If it is legal, then at the same time, I don't care that some is carrying one either. I don't think I need to be told that they are carrying one either. With that...
Nathan,
I think the issue at hand here is that initially you didn't state you were going to carry a weapon but what was said implied that. However tempered it was with what may have been sarcasm some took it seriously(rightfully so, in my opinion). Those who are like me, when I read things generally take them literally and as such need a bit better cuing when something isn't serious. So, as interpreted by me, this may have indicated intent to carry a weapon.
Then later, it was stated that you would carry legally(I did catch that) in the places that you could. However, in parks it isn't legal, at least at OJ Watson park it is not. So I hope you will not carry there.
Nathan said:
Wendy,
This has nothing to do with civility. If it is about civility then you would all be demanding that WS Clark leave too.
It is because I disagree with you. Plain and simple.
When WS Clark is constantly calling people names, telling them to STFU and whatever else he does, no one on the left says one thing to him. (Well, I think Linda finally said that it was wrong in one blog)
Where are your cries for civility?
When Tracy goes on the meltdown calling me names, where are your cries for civility?
You can pretend this is about civility, it is not.
Ever since that incident with Linda I tried to make things right and was even taking back what I had said because she was right about her not saying anything mean to me. Then both her and WS Clark said some pretty mean things to me.
You might think the way I respond to many things posted here is deragatory because I think many of the things posted here are not true.
What I don't do is go off on some tantrum of name calling like Tracy, I don't childishly ignore people like Linda and WS Clark do, I don't go off on a name calling STFU tantrum like WS Clark.
So now you sit here talking to me about civility?
Go back and read those comments Linda made about me and try to sit here talking to me about civility.
You people are a joke!
This has nothing to do with civility. If it is about civility then you would all be demanding that WS Clark leave too.
It is because I disagree with you. Plain and simple.
When WS Clark is constantly calling people names, telling them to STFU and whatever else he does, no one on the left says one thing to him. (Well, I think Linda finally said that it was wrong in one blog)
Where are your cries for civility?
When Tracy goes on the meltdown calling me names, where are your cries for civility?
You can pretend this is about civility, it is not.
Ever since that incident with Linda I tried to make things right and was even taking back what I had said because she was right about her not saying anything mean to me. Then both her and WS Clark said some pretty mean things to me.
You might think the way I respond to many things posted here is deragatory because I think many of the things posted here are not true.
What I don't do is go off on some tantrum of name calling like Tracy, I don't childishly ignore people like Linda and WS Clark do, I don't go off on a name calling STFU tantrum like WS Clark.
So now you sit here talking to me about civility?
Go back and read those comments Linda made about me and try to sit here talking to me about civility.
You people are a joke!
Nathan said:
Danny,
There is no law against carrying a weapon concealed. I said what I did to make a point that people like WS Clark would simply go nuts and wet their pants because I was.
It was not a threat. It was not meant to be a threat. It was said to illustrate exactly what happened. That there are a bunch of left wing irrational people here when it comes to guns.
There is no law against carrying concealed legally.
Just because you don't like me on this blog is not enough to go to Law Enforcement with either.
I have repeatedly said that I am not threatening anyone and everytime WS Clark came back with even more outrageous claims of what a threat I am.
It is irrational.
There is no law against carrying a weapon concealed. I said what I did to make a point that people like WS Clark would simply go nuts and wet their pants because I was.
It was not a threat. It was not meant to be a threat. It was said to illustrate exactly what happened. That there are a bunch of left wing irrational people here when it comes to guns.
There is no law against carrying concealed legally.
Just because you don't like me on this blog is not enough to go to Law Enforcement with either.
I have repeatedly said that I am not threatening anyone and everytime WS Clark came back with even more outrageous claims of what a threat I am.
It is irrational.
Danny said:
Nathan,
Far from not liking you. Don't always agree with you though. Far from not liking anybody. Also, didn't say it was illegal to carry concealed, just I don't think it was allowed(and I used the word illegal there) in parks(like OJ Watson).
I have read you say that you were not threatening anybody. I did say that some will interpret it that way, intended or not.
Far from not liking you. Don't always agree with you though. Far from not liking anybody. Also, didn't say it was illegal to carry concealed, just I don't think it was allowed(and I used the word illegal there) in parks(like OJ Watson).
I have read you say that you were not threatening anybody. I did say that some will interpret it that way, intended or not.
Wendy said:
Nathan,
I don't have to. I read what you posted about her. If it's okay for you, then it's okay for her, right?
And I just said in my post, had you bothered to read the damn thing which you OBVIOUSLY didn't, that I couldn't speak for your experience, but that I could tell you the reason I didn't like you is because of your behavior. You are the only one responsible for your behavior, don't try to make excuses about "but he did this" crap. That is childish.
And as far as tracy goes, if you want to talk shit about his extremely ill father, then I say he has free reign on you. I would do the same.
I have called Clark out on things before. Unfortunately, as it pertains to you, you typically start it. I have watched you do it. You even specifically stated on the other blog that those reactions were the whole purpose of your posts.
As far as Linda goes, I have never seen her be ANYTHING but nice or polite to anyone on this blog that she disagrees with, EXCEPT for you, and I would say she has good reason for that one. AS far as your apology, it was a little too little too late.
And the reason that Clark and Linda IGNORE you is to avoid situations like those that you cry so loudly about - would you rather they simply ignore you and your deliberately inflammatory statements, or fight like yesterday to the point where everyone is pointing fingers and noone is taking responsiblity? I would rather they ignore you.
And you are not civil to anyone on this blog. Not once have I ever seen you be anything but deliberately provoking and rude. So yes, I will lecture you about civility. Until you can be civil, you have no call to go pointing fingers at others.
And if we are such a joke, you are free to leave.
I don't have to. I read what you posted about her. If it's okay for you, then it's okay for her, right?
And I just said in my post, had you bothered to read the damn thing which you OBVIOUSLY didn't, that I couldn't speak for your experience, but that I could tell you the reason I didn't like you is because of your behavior. You are the only one responsible for your behavior, don't try to make excuses about "but he did this" crap. That is childish.
And as far as tracy goes, if you want to talk shit about his extremely ill father, then I say he has free reign on you. I would do the same.
I have called Clark out on things before. Unfortunately, as it pertains to you, you typically start it. I have watched you do it. You even specifically stated on the other blog that those reactions were the whole purpose of your posts.
As far as Linda goes, I have never seen her be ANYTHING but nice or polite to anyone on this blog that she disagrees with, EXCEPT for you, and I would say she has good reason for that one. AS far as your apology, it was a little too little too late.
And the reason that Clark and Linda IGNORE you is to avoid situations like those that you cry so loudly about - would you rather they simply ignore you and your deliberately inflammatory statements, or fight like yesterday to the point where everyone is pointing fingers and noone is taking responsiblity? I would rather they ignore you.
And you are not civil to anyone on this blog. Not once have I ever seen you be anything but deliberately provoking and rude. So yes, I will lecture you about civility. Until you can be civil, you have no call to go pointing fingers at others.
And if we are such a joke, you are free to leave.
Nathan said:
Lets look at how Darwin welcomed me when I said nothing to him:
“Nathan,
Sorry. Do you suppose your father ever loved you? I don't think he was capable of doing that. You can do something else with you life, if you'd accept this obvious truth. The easist things, are sometimes, the most difficult.
You'll note, my response was much shorter and more parsimonious than yours. Sorry again. The truth is always pretty simple, but also difficult.
Posted By darwinsdisciple | 4/6/07 11:06 PM “
Where were the cries for civility?
This is what I said to Linda after our little argument:
“I take it all back Linda. You have not been unkind to me in your posts.
I should have given you a chance to explain your comment before I ridiculed it.
So, why would you say that Bush is killing innocent people the way you did? Posted By Nathan | 4/7/07 11:03 PM”
What did WS Clark say after?
“Nathan, you are a two bit little muthafucker, and you know it. Your opinion means absolutely nothing. Posted By WSClark | 4/7/07 11:11 PM”
What did Linda say a little further down?
“I've never met you and never will (that is because I don't want to!). I just want you to know how much I don't admire you as a person. How much I am ashamed that you do represent my country. I think a person who is as disrespectful as you does a poor job of representing the country I take such pride in! Posted By lindainks55 | 4/7/07 11:23 PM”
All that and basically all I said was she was a dupe for believing certain things.
Now talk to me about civility. Wendy, where are your cries for civility now?
“Nathan,
Sorry. Do you suppose your father ever loved you? I don't think he was capable of doing that. You can do something else with you life, if you'd accept this obvious truth. The easist things, are sometimes, the most difficult.
You'll note, my response was much shorter and more parsimonious than yours. Sorry again. The truth is always pretty simple, but also difficult.
Posted By darwinsdisciple | 4/6/07 11:06 PM “
Where were the cries for civility?
This is what I said to Linda after our little argument:
“I take it all back Linda. You have not been unkind to me in your posts.
I should have given you a chance to explain your comment before I ridiculed it.
So, why would you say that Bush is killing innocent people the way you did? Posted By Nathan | 4/7/07 11:03 PM”
What did WS Clark say after?
“Nathan, you are a two bit little muthafucker, and you know it. Your opinion means absolutely nothing. Posted By WSClark | 4/7/07 11:11 PM”
What did Linda say a little further down?
“I've never met you and never will (that is because I don't want to!). I just want you to know how much I don't admire you as a person. How much I am ashamed that you do represent my country. I think a person who is as disrespectful as you does a poor job of representing the country I take such pride in! Posted By lindainks55 | 4/7/07 11:23 PM”
All that and basically all I said was she was a dupe for believing certain things.
Now talk to me about civility. Wendy, where are your cries for civility now?
lindainks55 said:
I do encourage each poster to rearead the only thread where Nathan and I have gone back and forth. After this excahnge I learned not to communicate with him. There were a couple more times where I posted to him and he to me, but not in any disagreeing way (to either of us). I will find and post those also if it will help you help me. Please tell me what I said that would earn this statement, "Ever since that incident with Linda I tried to make things right and was even taking back what I had said because she was right about her not saying anything mean to me. Then both her and WS Clark said some pretty mean things to me."
Honestly, I rearead the whole thread this morning. I am asking you to point out what I said so I won't ever again. I don't want to ever go down this path with any poster again. Please help.
DISCLAIMER: I will not respond to Nathan. I obviously say things that are very offensive to him.
http://dubya.instantspot.com/blog/index.cfm/2007/4...
Honestly, I rearead the whole thread this morning. I am asking you to point out what I said so I won't ever again. I don't want to ever go down this path with any poster again. Please help.
DISCLAIMER: I will not respond to Nathan. I obviously say things that are very offensive to him.
http://dubya.instantspot.com/blog/index.cfm/2007/4...
Nathan said:
Wendy,
I am not justifying my actions.
I am saying you are a hypocrite for demanding my civility when others here are far, far, far worse than I have ever been to them to not just me but others too.
Once again, I am not going after Tracy's father. But it is nice to see that in one sentence you say I am childish to try to justify my actions because of others yet you condone it for Tracy.
Hypocrite once again.
I am not justifying my actions.
I am saying you are a hypocrite for demanding my civility when others here are far, far, far worse than I have ever been to them to not just me but others too.
Once again, I am not going after Tracy's father. But it is nice to see that in one sentence you say I am childish to try to justify my actions because of others yet you condone it for Tracy.
Hypocrite once again.
Wendy said:
Nathan,
When I feel others are acting inappropriately, I call them on it. I have called Clark on it before. I never saw the post from Darwin that you reference, so why would I call him on it? I am not the damn blog monitor. I simply pointed out that you cry for the same thing you do not give other people. How the hell does that make me a hypocrite? I have read you going after Tracy's father previously - at least, that is the way what you have said comes off. Perhaps, if you don't want people to react negatively to things you post, you should think about what you post before you do it. And quite frankly, given the fact that Tracy's dad is currently in a coma in ICU, THAT is why I don't think he was out of line. But sure, if you want to play the Nathan is always right game, go ahead. Have fun. Just play it with yourself.
When I feel others are acting inappropriately, I call them on it. I have called Clark on it before. I never saw the post from Darwin that you reference, so why would I call him on it? I am not the damn blog monitor. I simply pointed out that you cry for the same thing you do not give other people. How the hell does that make me a hypocrite? I have read you going after Tracy's father previously - at least, that is the way what you have said comes off. Perhaps, if you don't want people to react negatively to things you post, you should think about what you post before you do it. And quite frankly, given the fact that Tracy's dad is currently in a coma in ICU, THAT is why I don't think he was out of line. But sure, if you want to play the Nathan is always right game, go ahead. Have fun. Just play it with yourself.
Wendy said:
And Nathan, I can ask you to behave with civility. Just because I don't ask other people to do so on the SAME GD PAGE doesn't mean I don't do, so don't assume otherwise. When my comments are directed specifically to you and I ask you to do something without asking anyone else to, it does NOT make me a hypocrite. If my post was directly to Clark, for example, and excluded referencing you, would I be a hypocrite then? Probably not to you, because then you wouldn't be involved.
WSClark said:
Wendy, I seen the product of Nathan's attacks on Tracy's father on the other blog. They were removed at Tracy's request. Tracy has every right to respond as he did.
I have a young brother that is a quadriplegic. Fortunately, he is married and has some abilities remaining. I know just a little of what Tracy is going through. I also have an elderly father that I have to care for on occasion. It is difficult enough without having some young punk mouthing off about it.
To me, I do not know why anyone would want to post here if they clearly were not wanted. I don't know why anyone would want to attend a blog meet if they knew that no one really wanted them there.
Anyway, there are better things to discuss.......
I have a young brother that is a quadriplegic. Fortunately, he is married and has some abilities remaining. I know just a little of what Tracy is going through. I also have an elderly father that I have to care for on occasion. It is difficult enough without having some young punk mouthing off about it.
To me, I do not know why anyone would want to post here if they clearly were not wanted. I don't know why anyone would want to attend a blog meet if they knew that no one really wanted them there.
Anyway, there are better things to discuss.......
Nathan said:
Wendy,
As far as provoking goes?
You are correct on that one! What on earth do you think posting crap about a mission accomplished statement is doing?
It is provoking to me. When people make claims about Bush killing innocent people, about Bush being a liar, and many other very serious allegations I take it serious.
If you want to post political crap then you had better be expecting a response. You had better expect them to be a provoking one too.
Why do you expect people to respond in loving, unprovoking language when serious statements about lies and killing innocent people are being made?
As far as provoking goes?
You are correct on that one! What on earth do you think posting crap about a mission accomplished statement is doing?
It is provoking to me. When people make claims about Bush killing innocent people, about Bush being a liar, and many other very serious allegations I take it serious.
If you want to post political crap then you had better be expecting a response. You had better expect them to be a provoking one too.
Why do you expect people to respond in loving, unprovoking language when serious statements about lies and killing innocent people are being made?
Nathan said:
Wendy,
I am not crying for civility. I don't care what WS Clark says about me or Linda for that matter.
They can call me names all day long.
I am not going to sit here and listen to someone tell me how uncivil I am being without first seeing how uncivil everyone else it though.
I am not crying for civility. I don't care what WS Clark says about me or Linda for that matter.
They can call me names all day long.
I am not going to sit here and listen to someone tell me how uncivil I am being without first seeing how uncivil everyone else it though.
Nathan said:
WS Clark,
You havn't seen anything. I never attacked Tracy's father. Tracy was using his father as a stick to beat us all over the head with because we didn't agree with stem cell research.
If I remember correctly I said he was using his father to exactly that.
I don't think anyone would have said one thing about his father if he hadn't interjected him into the discussion to try to say we are preventing him from being cured.
If anyone should be outraged it should be me.
Yet here you are still playing the pity party game.
I think it is tragic about his father. I wouldn't wish that for anyone. I pray that he will be ok according to God's will. I pray that Tracy is strong and protected in his time of need.
What I will not do is sit here and be brow beat because I don't agree with stem cell research and somehow that makes me guilty for attacking Tracy's father.
You are still taking the whole situation out of context and acting like I am some bad guy.
You havn't seen anything. I never attacked Tracy's father. Tracy was using his father as a stick to beat us all over the head with because we didn't agree with stem cell research.
If I remember correctly I said he was using his father to exactly that.
I don't think anyone would have said one thing about his father if he hadn't interjected him into the discussion to try to say we are preventing him from being cured.
If anyone should be outraged it should be me.
Yet here you are still playing the pity party game.
I think it is tragic about his father. I wouldn't wish that for anyone. I pray that he will be ok according to God's will. I pray that Tracy is strong and protected in his time of need.
What I will not do is sit here and be brow beat because I don't agree with stem cell research and somehow that makes me guilty for attacking Tracy's father.
You are still taking the whole situation out of context and acting like I am some bad guy.
Nathan said:
WS Clark,
Julie wants me there. My family and her have eaten dinner together. I love her and her husband. They are wonderful people.
Just because your entire opinion of someone is based on their disagreement with you politically doesn't mean it is that way for everyone else too.
Somehow I am able to get along great with people like XXX, JM Walker, JR, Ben, RD, and many others.
Many of them even came to my going away party.
I am not some evil person you make me out to be. I am pretty nice guy.
Julie wants me there. My family and her have eaten dinner together. I love her and her husband. They are wonderful people.
Just because your entire opinion of someone is based on their disagreement with you politically doesn't mean it is that way for everyone else too.
Somehow I am able to get along great with people like XXX, JM Walker, JR, Ben, RD, and many others.
Many of them even came to my going away party.
I am not some evil person you make me out to be. I am pretty nice guy.
longhorn said:
Nathan, serious question. Why do you post here?
Why are you not posting on blog x? Did you get banned there?
Why do you want to come here and pick fights and whine about civility? THESE folks left weblog because of incivility and trolls. Have you posted on THIS blog with a name other than Nathan? Do you have the guts to uphold that marine honor and answer truthfully?
If you think these folks are uncivil, why dont you just blog somewhere else? Why subject yourself to it?
Why are you not posting on blog x? Did you get banned there?
Why do you want to come here and pick fights and whine about civility? THESE folks left weblog because of incivility and trolls. Have you posted on THIS blog with a name other than Nathan? Do you have the guts to uphold that marine honor and answer truthfully?
If you think these folks are uncivil, why dont you just blog somewhere else? Why subject yourself to it?
longhorn said:
Nathan, everyone on weblog saw your comments about Tracy's Dad before they were removed.
They were removed. Let that sink in a little.
A little serious advise. Once you hit the "post" button, your words are forever.
And as I said before, words have consequenses.
And like others say, if you cant do the time, dont do the crime. If you dont like the heat, get out of the kitchen.
I bet you are the kind of freeper that goes to DU just to stir things up.
Well you succeeded here. Does that make you happy?
They were removed. Let that sink in a little.
A little serious advise. Once you hit the "post" button, your words are forever.
And as I said before, words have consequenses.
And like others say, if you cant do the time, dont do the crime. If you dont like the heat, get out of the kitchen.
I bet you are the kind of freeper that goes to DU just to stir things up.
Well you succeeded here. Does that make you happy?
WSClark said:
Nathan, if Julie wants you here, I could really care less. I could really care less if EVERYONE wants you here.
This has nothing to do with your politics. This has nothing to do with your gun. This has nothing to do with your religion.
This is all about your nasty aggressive attitude towards people that disagree with you.
I do not want to have anything to do with you. I do not want my children or grandchildren exposed to you. I do not want to speak with you or even see your face. If you go the the WV Blog meet, I will not. I had planned to go and take my granddaughter. I would not want her to be traumatized by you.
You may say that you are a nice guy - whatever - I have no desire to find out for myself.
Ever.
This has nothing to do with your politics. This has nothing to do with your gun. This has nothing to do with your religion.
This is all about your nasty aggressive attitude towards people that disagree with you.
I do not want to have anything to do with you. I do not want my children or grandchildren exposed to you. I do not want to speak with you or even see your face. If you go the the WV Blog meet, I will not. I had planned to go and take my granddaughter. I would not want her to be traumatized by you.
You may say that you are a nice guy - whatever - I have no desire to find out for myself.
Ever.
Nathan said:
Longhorn,
If you have read anything I have ever posted, I have always said:
I don't care how uncivil people are. I sleep like a roke every night and it doesn't bother me.
The only time I "cry" about civility is when someone like Wendy comes along and says how uncivil I am. Then I point out the FACT that several others here are far more uncivil to me than I have ever been to any of them.
They are the ones crying about civility.
I come here because I like to debate and discuss politics.
I have never used a different name to post other than Nathan and accidently my father.
I have not been banned from the other blog. I have simply been caught up in this one since I got back from Idaho.
I was posting at the WEblog before I left.
If "these people" left because of incivility then they still have something to learn.
Actually, I still see WS Clark over on the WE blog posting away in his typical STFU way.
When people post stuff about the President, the war, or Republicans and I respond, how am I the one picking a fight?
If you are going to post political crap on a public blog then you should expect someone like me to come by and tell you that you are wrong.
I started posting here because of WS Clark. He can blame himself for that one. He posted that mission accomplished rant practically begging a conservative to answer his questions. Here I am.
If you have read anything I have ever posted, I have always said:
I don't care how uncivil people are. I sleep like a roke every night and it doesn't bother me.
The only time I "cry" about civility is when someone like Wendy comes along and says how uncivil I am. Then I point out the FACT that several others here are far more uncivil to me than I have ever been to any of them.
They are the ones crying about civility.
I come here because I like to debate and discuss politics.
I have never used a different name to post other than Nathan and accidently my father.
I have not been banned from the other blog. I have simply been caught up in this one since I got back from Idaho.
I was posting at the WEblog before I left.
If "these people" left because of incivility then they still have something to learn.
Actually, I still see WS Clark over on the WE blog posting away in his typical STFU way.
When people post stuff about the President, the war, or Republicans and I respond, how am I the one picking a fight?
If you are going to post political crap on a public blog then you should expect someone like me to come by and tell you that you are wrong.
I started posting here because of WS Clark. He can blame himself for that one. He posted that mission accomplished rant practically begging a conservative to answer his questions. Here I am.
Nathan said:
Longhorn,
I don't remember the specifics of what was said. I remember the generality.
Which was that Tracy was the one using his father to beat us over the head with.
I don't know what these removed comments of mine were that were so bad.
So far, it is you who have been bouncing back and forth stirring things up about what I said. So you are not one to sit here lecturing me.
This is the hypocricy I am talking about around here. You are just as guilty if not more and yet you sit here talking to me about stirring things up?
Like I said, I don't get upset about what people say. Jut pointing out the inconsistency in the outrage here.
I don't remember the specifics of what was said. I remember the generality.
Which was that Tracy was the one using his father to beat us over the head with.
I don't know what these removed comments of mine were that were so bad.
So far, it is you who have been bouncing back and forth stirring things up about what I said. So you are not one to sit here lecturing me.
This is the hypocricy I am talking about around here. You are just as guilty if not more and yet you sit here talking to me about stirring things up?
Like I said, I don't get upset about what people say. Jut pointing out the inconsistency in the outrage here.
Nathan said:
WS Clark,
Do you tell your grandkids to STFU, and constantly use the same foul language aroung them that you do here towards me and others who disagree with you?
I think you should be more worried about the way you act around your family than me.
Do you tell your grandkids to STFU, and constantly use the same foul language aroung them that you do here towards me and others who disagree with you?
I think you should be more worried about the way you act around your family than me.
WSClark said:
You never learn, do you, Nathan? One, I don't post on WE Blog much, if at all. Go back and check. It has been at least a week since I posted there.
As for YOUR president and YOUR war? Apparently, you feel that should be off limits, despite the fact that seventy percent of the American people want us out of Iraq - right now. Despite the fact that YOUR president has the lowest approval rating of any president since Nixon was kicked to the curb.
That is Democracy - wasn't part of your rationale for war on Iraq was to spread Democracy? The government should respond to what the people want?
So, you and yours can call me a traitor, but YOUR president is off limits?
Christ, and you have the gall to call us hypocrites?
I guess that is your personal MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.
As for YOUR president and YOUR war? Apparently, you feel that should be off limits, despite the fact that seventy percent of the American people want us out of Iraq - right now. Despite the fact that YOUR president has the lowest approval rating of any president since Nixon was kicked to the curb.
That is Democracy - wasn't part of your rationale for war on Iraq was to spread Democracy? The government should respond to what the people want?
So, you and yours can call me a traitor, but YOUR president is off limits?
Christ, and you have the gall to call us hypocrites?
I guess that is your personal MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.
WSClark said:
"Do you tell your grandkids to STFU"
You are in no position to question me regarding my grandchildren, little man, but just for S & G, my grandchildren love me immensely. My granddaughter spends at least one weekend a month with me and we have a blast together.
My granddaughter frequently calls me, even though she only lives a few miles away. She just wants to talk to Gramps.
Do I tell them to STFU? Of course not, for one, there is no reason to, but that aside, my grandchildren are not irrational like some people, you for one.
I have three adult children - all good people - all self-sufficient - all free thinkers - all liberals.
My family is everything to me, since I did not have one until I started my own. Because they mean so much to me, I try to shield them from people like you - even the adults.
Truthfully, I would not even let a close friend anywhere near you.
To me, Nathan, you are radioactive.
You are in no position to question me regarding my grandchildren, little man, but just for S & G, my grandchildren love me immensely. My granddaughter spends at least one weekend a month with me and we have a blast together.
My granddaughter frequently calls me, even though she only lives a few miles away. She just wants to talk to Gramps.
Do I tell them to STFU? Of course not, for one, there is no reason to, but that aside, my grandchildren are not irrational like some people, you for one.
I have three adult children - all good people - all self-sufficient - all free thinkers - all liberals.
My family is everything to me, since I did not have one until I started my own. Because they mean so much to me, I try to shield them from people like you - even the adults.
Truthfully, I would not even let a close friend anywhere near you.
To me, Nathan, you are radioactive.
Nathan said:
WS Clark,
And you call me irrational?
I wonder if you would say what you do to me in front of your children and grandchildren?
Would you tell me to STFU, call me the names you do, while your grandchildren are listening?
Would you act this way in front of them?
Try thinking about that one.
And you call me irrational?
I wonder if you would say what you do to me in front of your children and grandchildren?
Would you tell me to STFU, call me the names you do, while your grandchildren are listening?
Would you act this way in front of them?
Try thinking about that one.
Nathan said:
I on the otherhand have been to almost every sinlge blog meetup without incident.
Actually, we end up finding more incommon with each other when we are in person.
Yet you call me radioactive?
You are the one with the problem. Not me.
Actually, we end up finding more incommon with each other when we are in person.
Yet you call me radioactive?
You are the one with the problem. Not me.
WSClark said:
If I mail you a nickel, will just go away, Nathan? Is it so important to you to be a pain in the ass?
Christ, get a life. Find a woman. Pay her if necessary.
You are how old? Twenty-three? Get a freakin' life man.
God, you are a sorry excuse for a human being.
Nathan, being a burr under the saddle of the world is not a good career choice.
Damn, you are one sick puppy.
Christ, get a life. Find a woman. Pay her if necessary.
You are how old? Twenty-three? Get a freakin' life man.
God, you are a sorry excuse for a human being.
Nathan, being a burr under the saddle of the world is not a good career choice.
Damn, you are one sick puppy.
Nathan said:
Actually, now that I think about it, I think you are scared.
You are scared because you would have to be nice to me in public. You realize that you couldn't tell me to STFU or call me the names you do in person because you would look like a mean old man in front of your family.
I wonder what they would think of your language if they read this?
I on the otherhand have nothing to fear. I am nice, respectful, young man.
You are scared because you would have to be nice to me in public. You realize that you couldn't tell me to STFU or call me the names you do in person because you would look like a mean old man in front of your family.
I wonder what they would think of your language if they read this?
I on the otherhand have nothing to fear. I am nice, respectful, young man.
Nathan said:
WS Clark,
See there you go again.
Where is Wendy?
WENDY! WHERE ARE YOU?
Where are your cries for civility?
See there you go again.
Where is Wendy?
WENDY! WHERE ARE YOU?
Where are your cries for civility?
rm6046 said:
I was trying to comprehend the "cobbled up" version of last night's Daily Show, when it was reran on the sat earlier, thank the Lord. I could actually make some sense out it then. Jesus, Stewart really did "take no prisoners" there at the end. Without demeaning or undermining McClain's many contributions to and sacrifices for our country, if McClain can't hold his own any better than that with Jon Stewart, I don't want to see him POTUS. He just folded like a cheap suit on there. Still better than Billary (just had to through that in), but certainly not my first choice.
WSClark said:
Why would I have to be nice to you in public, Nathan? Gonna shoot me if I don't? I have no obligation to be nice to you ever. Why would I be? I don't like you. I despise you. You make me sick. My granddaughter would be scarred for life just by seeing your face.
And you say that YOU are a nice, respectful young man?
Christ, give me a break.
And little man, I am not afraid of anything in this world. Don't kid yourself.
And you say that YOU are a nice, respectful young man?
Christ, give me a break.
And little man, I am not afraid of anything in this world. Don't kid yourself.
lindainks55 said:
No television -- well a couple of fuzzy local channels -- until Dish Network gets here to put the dish back in alignment. The roofers put it back on the roof but it isn't pointed in the right way. It's actually been nice. McCain tries to be too much to too many.
WSClark said:
Funny, RM, funny. I have to say that I am not a fan of Hillary, but she'll get my vote over a McCain or a Ghoul-iani. Personally, I like Obama, but the deck maybe stacked against him.
I thing I do not like about the American political system is it seems that the front runner is anointed early on, and after that, no one can touch them. There is no come from behind candidates.
As a Democrat (or whatever) I was quite unhappy that Kerry received the nomination in 2004. As predicted, he folded when the waters got rough.
Anyway............
I thing I do not like about the American political system is it seems that the front runner is anointed early on, and after that, no one can touch them. There is no come from behind candidates.
As a Democrat (or whatever) I was quite unhappy that Kerry received the nomination in 2004. As predicted, he folded when the waters got rough.
Anyway............
Nathan said:
I don't know...
I guess it would be nice, for once, to actually see anyone of the people who give me so much crap for be uncivil, say one darn thing to you WS Clark.
Oh well...
I think we have pretty much gone as far as we can on this one.
You are going to keep being a mean, foul mouthed person, but not in front of your family.
I am going to keep posting here.
I guess it would be nice, for once, to actually see anyone of the people who give me so much crap for be uncivil, say one darn thing to you WS Clark.
Oh well...
I think we have pretty much gone as far as we can on this one.
You are going to keep being a mean, foul mouthed person, but not in front of your family.
I am going to keep posting here.
rm6046 said:
Linda: I don't know about Dish Network, but DirecTV has the little dial-in(s) right on the back of the dish and you just dial in the azimuth, elevation and tilt ... and bingo! They should have given you those degree coordinates when they installed your dish initially, but if they didn't or you can't find them, just call them and they will give them to you over the phone. I just wrote mine in the instruction book. Now, three months later, I'm still trying to program the damned remote controls, but that's another story. :)
WSClark said:
I am sorry that you got your feelings hurt, Nathan. If I had your address, I would send you a box of tissues. Don't let your tears get on the keyboard, they might short it out.
And you can continue to post here, just expect to be put on ignore before to long.
How long do you think it will take?
And you can continue to post here, just expect to be put on ignore before to long.
How long do you think it will take?
Nathan said:
My feelings hurt?
LOL
You are the one crying about how I am some threat to you and your family...
LOL
You are the one crying about how I am some threat to you and your family...
Wendy said:
Nathan,
You know why I am not going to defend you? Because you STARTED IT! You cannot expect people to be nice to you when you are an ass to them.
Clark,
For the sake of my peace of mind, can you go back to ignoring Nathan? It was much nicer when you ignored him than when you called him names and got him all riled up. Thank you.
Is that Better for you Nathan? Have I held your hand long enough now? I simply said that the reason people don't like you is because, basically, you act like an ass on here. I'm done being civil too, since you can't seem to be civil to anyone.
You know why I am not going to defend you? Because you STARTED IT! You cannot expect people to be nice to you when you are an ass to them.
Clark,
For the sake of my peace of mind, can you go back to ignoring Nathan? It was much nicer when you ignored him than when you called him names and got him all riled up. Thank you.
Is that Better for you Nathan? Have I held your hand long enough now? I simply said that the reason people don't like you is because, basically, you act like an ass on here. I'm done being civil too, since you can't seem to be civil to anyone.
Gster said:
Earth Mother!! Is this crap going to go on all day??
Remember the Pet Rock fad 20 years ago?
Nathan is that rock. Now if you thing talking to a rock gits 'her done, then be my guest.
After going around all afternoon, what has been accomplished other than getting dizzy?
If you want to be the proverbial ant that butts the dam, dont forget your helmet!!
You're being played!
Remember the Pet Rock fad 20 years ago?
Nathan is that rock. Now if you thing talking to a rock gits 'her done, then be my guest.
After going around all afternoon, what has been accomplished other than getting dizzy?
If you want to be the proverbial ant that butts the dam, dont forget your helmet!!
You're being played!
lindainks55 said:
If they gave me those little numbers I didn't understand what they were. In order to schedule an appointment I spoke with someone in the Philipines. Actually, I spoke with THREE people in the Philipines because I am very stubborn and insisted I speak to someone who could speak English. I hoped I might actually speak with someone here in the U.S. of A., but nooooo, no matter how much I begged, cajoled, it was the Philipines or no one. I have a short time left on the contract that got the equipment and installation free. I will seriously consider another supplier when that year is up. I was most upset with this most recent inability to contact anyone helpful.
rm6046 said:
WSC: NO, I don't think Obama has a chance. Actually, I think the only black man with a shot is Colin Powell, and, like I said the other day, I don't think he wants the job, and Alma sure as hell doesn't want him to have it. Gulliani was a good federal prosecutor, and, I suppose, a good mayor at a terrible time in a god-forsaken hell hole of a city, but he'll never be President. Bill's blowjobs pale, in the electorate's opinion, to three marriages. As previously espoused, Fred Thompson/Chuck Hagel is my dream ticket, but I don't even want to know what Vegas is giving on that long shot team.
You're right about the early anointments (which brings with it seemingly endless torrents of money) and about Kerry's folding as expected. I look for Gore to make an end run if Billary stumbles and he could end up with the nomination again ... and lose, again. The problem that both parties have is that all they have are newcomers (unknown evils) and has-beens (known evils). Regardless of which side prevails in '08, I foresee approval ratings paralleling the last few years for the next few years. Something that has surprised me, however, is the disdain I have picked up on from middle aged to older women voters for Billary ... a group that logic would reason to be her strength.
You're right about the early anointments (which brings with it seemingly endless torrents of money) and about Kerry's folding as expected. I look for Gore to make an end run if Billary stumbles and he could end up with the nomination again ... and lose, again. The problem that both parties have is that all they have are newcomers (unknown evils) and has-beens (known evils). Regardless of which side prevails in '08, I foresee approval ratings paralleling the last few years for the next few years. Something that has surprised me, however, is the disdain I have picked up on from middle aged to older women voters for Billary ... a group that logic would reason to be her strength.
WSClark said:
Come on GSter, it's like playing with those ants with a magnifying glass. We all did it and we all had fun doing it. Yes, it was a bad thing to do, but we just couldn't help ourselves. We aren't being played, it is the ants that have their butts on fire.
It's all good now, he's in the ignore bin, so life goes on.
It's a rainy day, G, I can't get out for my walk just yet, there was a rerun on L & O, so I had to play with something!
It's all good now, he's in the ignore bin, so life goes on.
It's a rainy day, G, I can't get out for my walk just yet, there was a rerun on L & O, so I had to play with something!
WSClark said:
You have to give Hillary this much, RM, she sure prompts people to have STRONG feelings about her.
I have seen normally mild-mannered Democrats go ballistic about her - it's like throwing gasoline on a charcoal grill.
And that is the response from HER party.
Wow.
I have seen normally mild-mannered Democrats go ballistic about her - it's like throwing gasoline on a charcoal grill.
And that is the response from HER party.
Wow.
rm6046 said:
DirecTV has a center in the Phillipines, too. Luckily, one of my oldest friends is a DirecTV dealer in California, and after my one experience with the Phillipines, he told me that both DirecTV and Dish Network have people there, but, they each have four others in the US. So, he told me if it happened again, just don't even bother to say anything, just hang up, and immediately redial and it will go someplace else in the US. It does. Also, avoid calling at night, if possible, because a greater percentage of night calls in the US filter to the Phillipines than in our daytime.
longhorn said:
hee hee hee
"The problem that both parties have is that all they have are newcomers (unknown evils) and has-beens (known evils)."
Swell said, brother rm. Well said.
hee hee hee hee
"The problem that both parties have is that all they have are newcomers (unknown evils) and has-beens (known evils)."
Swell said, brother rm. Well said.
hee hee hee hee
Predestined said:
"If you want to be the proverbial ant that butts the dam, dont forget your helmet!!"
No, no, darling G. It was the RAM and the dam. The ant and the RUBBER TREE PLANT.
Would you like to hear me sing it? (Just kidding!!)
A Hole in the Head
Frank Sinatra, Carolyn Jones, Eddie Hodges, and whole bunch more. 1959 Directed by Frank Capra.
This is what happens when you get old. You've seen waaaaay too many movies. *wink*
No, no, darling G. It was the RAM and the dam. The ant and the RUBBER TREE PLANT.
Would you like to hear me sing it? (Just kidding!!)
A Hole in the Head
Frank Sinatra, Carolyn Jones, Eddie Hodges, and whole bunch more. 1959 Directed by Frank Capra.
This is what happens when you get old. You've seen waaaaay too many movies. *wink*
gster said:
Damm, Pri!! How 'bout a litle poetic license here!
PS: You're right.
Damm ants anyway-- I've never trusted them, ever.
G
PS: You're right.
Damm ants anyway-- I've never trusted them, ever.
G
lindainks55 said:
As we grow up, we learn that even the one person that wasn't supposed to ever let you down probably will.
You will have your heart broken probably more than once and it's harder every time.
You'll break hearts too, so remember how it felt when yours was broken.
You'll fight with your best friend.
You'll blame a new love for things an old one did.
You'll cry because time is passing too fast, and you'll eventually lose someone you love.
So take too many pictures, laugh too much, and love like you've never been hurt because every sixty seconds you spend upset is a minute of happiness you'll never get back.
You will have your heart broken probably more than once and it's harder every time.
You'll break hearts too, so remember how it felt when yours was broken.
You'll fight with your best friend.
You'll blame a new love for things an old one did.
You'll cry because time is passing too fast, and you'll eventually lose someone you love.
So take too many pictures, laugh too much, and love like you've never been hurt because every sixty seconds you spend upset is a minute of happiness you'll never get back.
lindainks55 said:
The last two days were AWFUL! I started to say something like emotinally draining, but I gotta say they were AWFUL! I'm reconsidering whether I can continue this blogging stuff. What a sad, mad man that young person who wants to cause trouble is.
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