Vaughn Tolle said:
Gster, this one's for you.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/17/world.bank....
Does anyone else find it annoying that Wolfowitz will go voluntarily iff the World Bank also accepts some culpability in the matter?
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/17/world.bank....
Does anyone else find it annoying that Wolfowitz will go voluntarily iff the World Bank also accepts some culpability in the matter?
Gster said:
Thanks Vaughn.
He looks a little over dressed for the Walmart greeter job we discussed, but with his employee discount, he'll soon dress the part.
Given a little time, he'll sink to his proper well earned level.
PS- I still think he looks like a flasher!
He looks a little over dressed for the Walmart greeter job we discussed, but with his employee discount, he'll soon dress the part.
Given a little time, he'll sink to his proper well earned level.
PS- I still think he looks like a flasher!
Vaughn Tolle said:
Change o'pace. Immigration deal reached between Senate and White House. Comments are worth reading, too.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20...
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20...
Gster said:
I think we'll find out real fast just how closed and secure our borders are, particularly the southern one.
I don't know the details, but it seems to me you don't want to cede the possibility of citizenship to everybody that is here illegally now.
I don't know the details, but it seems to me you don't want to cede the possibility of citizenship to everybody that is here illegally now.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Gster, there are no details that are being publicized as far as I can tell. What I did find, browsing around, is that a whole lot of GOP types have their knickers in a knot over the "deal".
Nathan said:
Vaughn,
I need to do some more research of my own, but Wolfowitz is claiming that the instructions the bank gave him were not all that clear on this matter.
Do you disagree?
I need to do some more research of my own, but Wolfowitz is claiming that the instructions the bank gave him were not all that clear on this matter.
Do you disagree?
Vaughn Tolle said:
Nathan, I've heard that. I've also heard the bank say the instructions given were as the result of an ambiguous and misleading request from Wolfowitz for advice. I don't know which is correct.
I think the link I posted has this information, but it may have come from another thing I read on the subject, namely the Board could vote 12-1 to fire Wolfowitz, but it wishes to avoid the confrontation. Apparently, the Board was meeting yesterday for this purpose, but at the request of the U.S. "delegate", adjourned to see if a deal could be made.
I think the link I posted has this information, but it may have come from another thing I read on the subject, namely the Board could vote 12-1 to fire Wolfowitz, but it wishes to avoid the confrontation. Apparently, the Board was meeting yesterday for this purpose, but at the request of the U.S. "delegate", adjourned to see if a deal could be made.
Vaughn Tolle said:
Nathan, to clarify my thinking a bit. It is my understanding that the World Bank rules were very clear that the girlfriend had to go as a World Bank employee when Mr. Wolfowitz became its President. My position at this point is that he should not have become involved at all in arranging (as it appears to me to have occurred) her new employment at the State Department especially at a higher salary, and he didn't need advice from the World Bank ethics committee on this. Surely, he could have made a telephone call or written a letter on her behalf, but this is where his involvement should have ended in the matter IMHO.
rm6046 said:
Well, if you believe the national news, Wolf is gone, perhaps as early as tomorrow. The man has a Ph.D. I would think he'd have a little common sense ... but then, Kofi Annan's kid screwed the World Bank for hundreds of millions and got away with it, so I guess he thought what was wrong with $50 grand for his girlfriend? :)
Anyway, changing the subject, does anybody believe that the seemingly irrefutable evidence coming out of TAMU will reopen the Kennedy investigation? Yeah, right !
Anyway, changing the subject, does anybody believe that the seemingly irrefutable evidence coming out of TAMU will reopen the Kennedy investigation? Yeah, right !
lindainks55 said:
Kennedy once said during a Yale commencement address, "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie — deliberate, contrived and dishonest — but the myth — persistent, persuasive and unrealistic."
rm6046 said:
Thanks, Linda. Sorry 'bout that, Rox ... we arrogant transplanted Texans don't stop and think when speaking of hallowed ground. :)
lindainks55 said:
When my son was in school down there in the great state of Texas he once brought a lovely lady home for a visit. I was trying really hard to be on my best behavior. ;-) I knew she currently lived in Dallas, had gone to college in Austin but that was all I knew. So, one of the first questions was to ask where she grew up. She drawled, in the cutest way, that she had lived in Houston and in Temple and San Antonio... Next question, so you've lived your life in Texas? She responded, "But it's such a BIIIIG state!" This said like what other place could have any relevance?? I laughed OUT LOUD -- there went the best behavior bit.
longhorn said:
Linda, no shit. Texans are completely mystified as to why ANYONE would not want to live there.
But I loved it anyway. I was one who subscribed to the attitude that "I wasnt born in Texas but I got here as quick as I could".
heheheeheheheheheh!
But I loved it anyway. I was one who subscribed to the attitude that "I wasnt born in Texas but I got here as quick as I could".
heheheeheheheheheh!
longhorn said:
Although just for reference on the BIIIIIG state part...
If, on a map, you cut out Texas and flipped it up, it would flop into Canada.
If you flop it east, it will flop into the Atlantic.
If you flip it west, it will flop into the Pacific.
And Texans will NEVER forgive Alaska for dethroning them as having the biggest state. If you wanna cut a Texan down to size, just tell 'em that.
Or you could just give them an enema. They are mostly full of... :)
If, on a map, you cut out Texas and flipped it up, it would flop into Canada.
If you flop it east, it will flop into the Atlantic.
If you flip it west, it will flop into the Pacific.
And Texans will NEVER forgive Alaska for dethroning them as having the biggest state. If you wanna cut a Texan down to size, just tell 'em that.
Or you could just give them an enema. They are mostly full of... :)
Vaughn Tolle said:
Pat Buchanan on Ron Paul in the South Carolina debate, and the move to exclude him from future Republican debates. Worth the read.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/05/...
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/05/...
lindainks55 said:
That was a good read. Thanks!
I've long thought with Arabs (using this word loosely) being slaughtered in Palestine, Iraq, Lebanon; their religion criticized; blaming them for everything Israel or the U.S. blows up should make it more understandable that they're a bit angry, don't ya think?
So if Ron Paul disagrees with the party line he must be excluded. What a bunch of crap! How long till we get rid of this bunch?
I've long thought with Arabs (using this word loosely) being slaughtered in Palestine, Iraq, Lebanon; their religion criticized; blaming them for everything Israel or the U.S. blows up should make it more understandable that they're a bit angry, don't ya think?
So if Ron Paul disagrees with the party line he must be excluded. What a bunch of crap! How long till we get rid of this bunch?
rm6046 said:
Except, darling Linda, those people have been going at each other since all they had were clubs and rocks thousands of years ago, and if they're still around a thousand years from now, they still will be. Our mistake was getting the hell in the middle of it. If we had spent 1/10th of what we have spent in Iraq on domestic oil exploration, production and refining in the last 10 years, we would not be paying $3.29/gallon today and many lives would not have been wasted nor adversely altered for life.
And, for those who cry about depleting domestic reserves, there's billions of barrels of proven reserves in Mexico, our neighbor. Their economy is in the crapper. Who doesn't think they would welcome an influx of hard American dollars?
You can blame Bush/Cheney for a lot, deservedly. But thanks to the tree hugging bastards, we can't even build refineries in less than 25 years. We built the two bombs dropped on Japan, including all of the infrastructure, from bare dirt to "BOOM" in 27 months.We can't even get an EIS in 27 months today. By God, that's progress!
We get rid of them January 20, 2009. We know that. The scary question is who the hell are we going to get to replace them? So far, among the announced, I don't see anyone any better...
And, for those who cry about depleting domestic reserves, there's billions of barrels of proven reserves in Mexico, our neighbor. Their economy is in the crapper. Who doesn't think they would welcome an influx of hard American dollars?
You can blame Bush/Cheney for a lot, deservedly. But thanks to the tree hugging bastards, we can't even build refineries in less than 25 years. We built the two bombs dropped on Japan, including all of the infrastructure, from bare dirt to "BOOM" in 27 months.We can't even get an EIS in 27 months today. By God, that's progress!
We get rid of them January 20, 2009. We know that. The scary question is who the hell are we going to get to replace them? So far, among the announced, I don't see anyone any better...
lindainks55 said:
You always do that so well, rm! Are you a diplomat incognito? Guess you could be a diplomat out in the open. You are someone who hasn't let me know anything that would identify you. I always enjoy or learn from your posts and like to see you around because I like you, what you say and how you say it. I think you've had some hard times and come through them well. That about sums up ALL I know about you.
We've touched on this subject before and agreed that those who WANT to be POTUS (and other elected officials for the public to scrutinize) must be lacking someplace and it's probably in the brains department. At minimum they have some great need of power that I won't (don't want to) understand. Seems one would need to be slightly deranged to put their name on the ballot. This is who we need to represent our country?
I'm a registered Democrat. I'm also quite conservative. A person of my age who is able to retire made some conservative decisions along the way.
Our government generates NO income. They take our money and spend it. One of the major parties is more apt to spend it on social programs and the other on businesses. So the big difference is who gets the welfare. I've over simplified this because there is no need for details. You and I both "get it."
Problem is the whole thing is different today. The businesses aren't any longer Mom & Pop concerns. We're eliminating our middle class while making a middle class in India. Businesses can hire things done in India (while we're sleeping) for $8 an hour by a professional. The design, the layout, the research... appears on the U.S. executives desk at the start of his day and he runs with it. Indians who were educated in America are back home where no one eats cows. And, they are making enough money to support themselves in a middle class way.
So India gets a middle class while America's disappears.
Are the refineries not built because that increases profits for the few? Are we blaming tree huggers when those who grow wealthier are also to blame?
About time for another revolution in my opinion. Our country is in danger and we the people need to take it back.
We've touched on this subject before and agreed that those who WANT to be POTUS (and other elected officials for the public to scrutinize) must be lacking someplace and it's probably in the brains department. At minimum they have some great need of power that I won't (don't want to) understand. Seems one would need to be slightly deranged to put their name on the ballot. This is who we need to represent our country?
I'm a registered Democrat. I'm also quite conservative. A person of my age who is able to retire made some conservative decisions along the way.
Our government generates NO income. They take our money and spend it. One of the major parties is more apt to spend it on social programs and the other on businesses. So the big difference is who gets the welfare. I've over simplified this because there is no need for details. You and I both "get it."
Problem is the whole thing is different today. The businesses aren't any longer Mom & Pop concerns. We're eliminating our middle class while making a middle class in India. Businesses can hire things done in India (while we're sleeping) for $8 an hour by a professional. The design, the layout, the research... appears on the U.S. executives desk at the start of his day and he runs with it. Indians who were educated in America are back home where no one eats cows. And, they are making enough money to support themselves in a middle class way.
So India gets a middle class while America's disappears.
Are the refineries not built because that increases profits for the few? Are we blaming tree huggers when those who grow wealthier are also to blame?
About time for another revolution in my opinion. Our country is in danger and we the people need to take it back.
Rox said:
Thanks to Linda for straightening me out on the TAMU thing. If I'd thought about it hard enough, I might have come close. LOL
I'm with LH though. UT is IT! And I'm a Dallas Cowboys fan, too. I think I shoulda been a Texan. :)
It's the middle of the night...or early morning...but I just got an email reminder that I'd posted earlier. I'll check back later (work is almost done for the night) and read the posted links. That is if I'm not elected to camp out on the west riverbank all day for the best fireworks-watching spot.
I'm with LH though. UT is IT! And I'm a Dallas Cowboys fan, too. I think I shoulda been a Texan. :)
It's the middle of the night...or early morning...but I just got an email reminder that I'd posted earlier. I'll check back later (work is almost done for the night) and read the posted links. That is if I'm not elected to camp out on the west riverbank all day for the best fireworks-watching spot.
rm6046 said:
Thank you, Linda. You're very kind. My daughter, without a doubt, would assure you that I'm not a diplomat. :)
As for the refineries, there's more than enough blame to go around. Tree huggers, greedy bastards of the Ken Lay ilk, bureaucrats who assure their positions by complicating anything and everything beyond all reason, unions (though they're not as powerful as they once were), etc., etc.
And yes, India and the Phillipines are becoming the middle class. It's shameful and destructing our social system literally from the inside.
Be careful about encouraging (even tacitly) revolution though. The next thing you know you'll have Homeland Security on your doorstep "saving our democracy". They would be much more comfortable going after a grandmother from Kansas than a terrorist. I say that tongue in cheek, but, seriously, they can't even screen their own airport security satisfactorily. They sure as hell aren't out their getting the "bad guys that shoot back".
BTW, I saw on the news this morning that the cost of Iraq has now exceeded $300 billion. In those great words of the late Everett Dirkson, "A billion here, a billion there ... before long, you're talking about real money!" Where are men of his caliber in government today when we really need them? If not extinct, as I suspect, they're definitely a severely endangered species.
As for who I am, I don't speak to that subject publicly, since I'm not running (or interested in running) for anything. But, if you really want to know, Vaughn can tell you anything you want to know privately.
As for the refineries, there's more than enough blame to go around. Tree huggers, greedy bastards of the Ken Lay ilk, bureaucrats who assure their positions by complicating anything and everything beyond all reason, unions (though they're not as powerful as they once were), etc., etc.
And yes, India and the Phillipines are becoming the middle class. It's shameful and destructing our social system literally from the inside.
Be careful about encouraging (even tacitly) revolution though. The next thing you know you'll have Homeland Security on your doorstep "saving our democracy". They would be much more comfortable going after a grandmother from Kansas than a terrorist. I say that tongue in cheek, but, seriously, they can't even screen their own airport security satisfactorily. They sure as hell aren't out their getting the "bad guys that shoot back".
BTW, I saw on the news this morning that the cost of Iraq has now exceeded $300 billion. In those great words of the late Everett Dirkson, "A billion here, a billion there ... before long, you're talking about real money!" Where are men of his caliber in government today when we really need them? If not extinct, as I suspect, they're definitely a severely endangered species.
As for who I am, I don't speak to that subject publicly, since I'm not running (or interested in running) for anything. But, if you really want to know, Vaughn can tell you anything you want to know privately.
lindainks55 said:
My extra-wise and ultra-conservative husband tells me the same thing more strongly and begs me to NOT be so open in my disdain for what's happening to our country. He is pretty sure I've gotten myself on several watch lists. Of course, he is a bit disdainful of my opinions on the whole thing and would prefer I try harder to be less "liberal, rebellious, vocal." In fact he thinks it's time I grow up. Probably not gonna happen! Been there, done that, didn't like it. I don't know why he loves me, but I know he does. Love and lust make one so forgiving!
When my son and I cuss and discuss politics on the phone he is positive we use many words that are caught and recorded and will ultimately get the feds on both our doorsteps.
Poor man, in his aging years he has this burden of worry and responsibility of trying to protect me from myself. ;-)
I don't need to know more to know I like you, what you post and how you post it. Wish someone with your good sense would run, but we know the dichotomy in that thinking.
When my son and I cuss and discuss politics on the phone he is positive we use many words that are caught and recorded and will ultimately get the feds on both our doorsteps.
Poor man, in his aging years he has this burden of worry and responsibility of trying to protect me from myself. ;-)
I don't need to know more to know I like you, what you post and how you post it. Wish someone with your good sense would run, but we know the dichotomy in that thinking.
rm6046 said:
Again, thank you for your kind words. Your husband sounds like a wise man. I'm not seeing the black helicopters quite yet, but I keep looking up occasionally, just to be sure. :)
If the situation in Washington was a movie, it would make billions! It could be titled "The Keystone Kops Meet the Watergate Burglars". Unfortunately, for us, it's a tragedy for the American people. Do you remember the old comic strip "Pogo"? There was this great line: "I have seen the enemy and he is us." If the terrorists were half as smart as they think they are, they would just sit back, toke on their hookahs, and watch us implode on CNN. We're certainly doing a hell of a good job of it.
If the situation in Washington was a movie, it would make billions! It could be titled "The Keystone Kops Meet the Watergate Burglars". Unfortunately, for us, it's a tragedy for the American people. Do you remember the old comic strip "Pogo"? There was this great line: "I have seen the enemy and he is us." If the terrorists were half as smart as they think they are, they would just sit back, toke on their hookahs, and watch us implode on CNN. We're certainly doing a hell of a good job of it.
Rox said:
Wow. Fantastic discussion here! The Buchanan article was right on. I've never been a big fan of Pat's, but I watched him during the 2004 Presidential Election and discovered that I actually agreed with him on many things.
The Republicans don't want the truth out there. They don't want the people in this country to know the truth, because of everyone wised up, they wouldn't be voting for the likes of Rudy and Dubya. (The Bush Dubya, not our own.)
Watch lists? Linda, maybe they'll come after us and take us together. (Sharing a cell might be made tolerable then. *grin*) I have no doubt that my name appears on a few. But what that means to me is that I pay attention. I think for myself. The same can be said for everyone here. Thank heaven there are people like us! It's the only thing that may save us from an Orwellian world.
One point I'd like to make. The attack on the WTC was an atttack on the world financial system. Those 3000 were not all American citizens. Don't boo and hiss me for saying this, but it was thoughtfully planned and makes more sense than anything. It wasn't against the people. The people in those planes were collateral damage. Same for those in the the WTC. Take a look at the intended targets: WTC--world financial offices; Pentagon--U.S. military; White House--U.S. President/political. If killing citizens had been their main goal, things would have been very different. They made a political statement (a BIG one!) and the very people they made it about won't admit why.
Pogo was right, rm. I think I'll move to Switzerland. At least they mind their own business there.
The Republicans don't want the truth out there. They don't want the people in this country to know the truth, because of everyone wised up, they wouldn't be voting for the likes of Rudy and Dubya. (The Bush Dubya, not our own.)
Watch lists? Linda, maybe they'll come after us and take us together. (Sharing a cell might be made tolerable then. *grin*) I have no doubt that my name appears on a few. But what that means to me is that I pay attention. I think for myself. The same can be said for everyone here. Thank heaven there are people like us! It's the only thing that may save us from an Orwellian world.
One point I'd like to make. The attack on the WTC was an atttack on the world financial system. Those 3000 were not all American citizens. Don't boo and hiss me for saying this, but it was thoughtfully planned and makes more sense than anything. It wasn't against the people. The people in those planes were collateral damage. Same for those in the the WTC. Take a look at the intended targets: WTC--world financial offices; Pentagon--U.S. military; White House--U.S. President/political. If killing citizens had been their main goal, things would have been very different. They made a political statement (a BIG one!) and the very people they made it about won't admit why.
Pogo was right, rm. I think I'll move to Switzerland. At least they mind their own business there.
WSClark said:
I tend to agree with you Rox. If al Qaeda wanted to go for maximum body count, they could have crashed a 747 in the stands at the fifty yard line of the Super Bowl. I am not suggesting anything by the comment other than to say that they had a different agenda than just deaths in mind.
As for the WTC, I still have a hard time understanding how TWO 110 story towers collapsed straight down after being hit by aircraft. I am not embracing any conspiracy theories, but I just don't see how it happened so NEATLY.
As for the WTC, I still have a hard time understanding how TWO 110 story towers collapsed straight down after being hit by aircraft. I am not embracing any conspiracy theories, but I just don't see how it happened so NEATLY.
Rox said:
Will, that bothers me too. Way too many questions that haven't been answered to my satisfaction. In this case I wouldn't say the word 'probably', but there's a 'possibly' here and there that don't let me completely accept what we've been told. At the very least, it never should have happened.
There were warnings, and they were ignored. Why?
Why was NORAD not up and running? This is made even more questionable because NORAD had trained for this very thing, not so long before it happened.
Why was the one thing found intact at the WTC the identification of one of the terrorists in the plane?
What happened to the black boxes from those planes? According to eyewitnesses, they were found.
As I said, lots of questions, but very few answers. That makes it questionable in my mind, but only that.
There were warnings, and they were ignored. Why?
Why was NORAD not up and running? This is made even more questionable because NORAD had trained for this very thing, not so long before it happened.
Why was the one thing found intact at the WTC the identification of one of the terrorists in the plane?
What happened to the black boxes from those planes? According to eyewitnesses, they were found.
As I said, lots of questions, but very few answers. That makes it questionable in my mind, but only that.
rm6046 said:
Without a doubt, there are scads of unanswered questions. But, having said that, to my horror, I watched it happen live on television. Beyond the imputed ends ascribed to the Islamic terrorists, who or what else would have a motive, method & opportunity to commit such an insidious act of violence? Beyond making a "statement" against the financial, military and political of the rest of the world, in general, and the United States, in particular, where is the gain?
I'm as skeptical as Mel Gibson in "Conspiracy Theory" about anything that comes out of any government's mouthpiece, but I just can't see the angle coming from anywhere else.
Rox, your NORAD question begs an answer, but perhaps, they just got caught looking because no one, in reality, believed it could happen. It wouldn't be the first (nor the last, I'm sure) time.
Will, they wouldn't have enough planning time to hit the Super Bowl. For example, it could end up being Arizona vs. Cincinnati -- and there wouldn't be anybody there ! :)
Seriously though, the questions posed above aren't rhetorical. I'm open to any suggested answers. I know that I sure haven't been able to come up them on my own.
I'm as skeptical as Mel Gibson in "Conspiracy Theory" about anything that comes out of any government's mouthpiece, but I just can't see the angle coming from anywhere else.
Rox, your NORAD question begs an answer, but perhaps, they just got caught looking because no one, in reality, believed it could happen. It wouldn't be the first (nor the last, I'm sure) time.
Will, they wouldn't have enough planning time to hit the Super Bowl. For example, it could end up being Arizona vs. Cincinnati -- and there wouldn't be anybody there ! :)
Seriously though, the questions posed above aren't rhetorical. I'm open to any suggested answers. I know that I sure haven't been able to come up them on my own.
Rox said:
RM, I'd love to give you some answers, but I don't have any. I'm fresh out. :)
I don't buy the NORAD explanation, because NORAD has NEVER been completely down before. It may very well be they were caught with their proverbial pants down. I don't know. Anything is possible, although most is not probable.
Have you ever read the Operation Northwoods document? It's definitely eye opening as to what a few in this country, if given the okay, are capable of doing. I think that's what made me realize that there IS a possibility of anything.
I don't buy the NORAD explanation, because NORAD has NEVER been completely down before. It may very well be they were caught with their proverbial pants down. I don't know. Anything is possible, although most is not probable.
Have you ever read the Operation Northwoods document? It's definitely eye opening as to what a few in this country, if given the okay, are capable of doing. I think that's what made me realize that there IS a possibility of anything.
rm6046 said:
I just read it. Christ, it sounds like something out of a Tom Clancy or John LeCarre novel, or Dr. Strangelove! I had heard rumors of that for many years, but never a specific title and, had you not mentioned it, probably would have never followed up on it. Wow! Thanks, so much.
Yeah, as I said, if there's another explanation, other than, as you say, NORAD just got caught with the pants down, I don't know what it could be. It's, to me, like they could see on their information data systems what was happening, but it was so unbelievable that they were still trying to figure out what was wrong with their sophisticated equipment while everything went to hell in a hand basket ... and, of course, by then it was too late.
And no, I don't believe the explanation that NORAD was "down" either. Those are at least quadruple redundant backup units.
If there is any part of this story that is impossible, it is an explanation that the entire NORAD system coincidentally failed, for the first time ever, at precisely that critical moment. "That dog won't hunt".
Yeah, as I said, if there's another explanation, other than, as you say, NORAD just got caught with the pants down, I don't know what it could be. It's, to me, like they could see on their information data systems what was happening, but it was so unbelievable that they were still trying to figure out what was wrong with their sophisticated equipment while everything went to hell in a hand basket ... and, of course, by then it was too late.
And no, I don't believe the explanation that NORAD was "down" either. Those are at least quadruple redundant backup units.
If there is any part of this story that is impossible, it is an explanation that the entire NORAD system coincidentally failed, for the first time ever, at precisely that critical moment. "That dog won't hunt".
lindainks55 said:
I had never heard of Operation Northwoods documents. I am often ashamed of how little I have paid attention and how ill informed I am. The worst ostrich that ever was, I have had my head buried for much of my life. I've read it now. Who was aware of this back in the 60s? How many people did this involve? I don't have any words.
And, here is a site that seems to have every conceivable or possible conspiracy theory listed and discussed. There are subjects I also had never heard before, like several of the 9/11 hijackers being alive... It will take me awhile to wade through this. I'll never know what is true or not.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/911.html#bookers
And, here is a site that seems to have every conceivable or possible conspiracy theory listed and discussed. There are subjects I also had never heard before, like several of the 9/11 hijackers being alive... It will take me awhile to wade through this. I'll never know what is true or not.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/911.html#bookers
rm6046 said:
Linda: Damn, what a site. I'll comment further on it when I've finished reading it ... about 2009. :)
Good work, girl !!!!!!!!
Good work, girl !!!!!!!!
Rox said:
I should have posted the link to Operation Northwoods. I guess I thought that because you're so knowledgeable, you'd seen it. Someone pointed me to it around 2003 or 2004. I was stunned, to say the least.
Wow, Linda! You found Prison Planet! *grin* Alex Jones is...well, he's something else. :) I wish I still had all my links in my Favorites, but somehow I missed saving them when I reformatted last fall. I had several hundred links to political and military information. That's what happens when you hang out in a political (liberal) chat room. I hardly ever drop in anymore. It's gone downhill with a lot of in-fighting between the regulars. HERE and Tracy's blog are much more comfortable. Thank you, Dubya, for providing us a place to, um, rant when needed. ;)
(Now to check out that link...)
Wow, Linda! You found Prison Planet! *grin* Alex Jones is...well, he's something else. :) I wish I still had all my links in my Favorites, but somehow I missed saving them when I reformatted last fall. I had several hundred links to political and military information. That's what happens when you hang out in a political (liberal) chat room. I hardly ever drop in anymore. It's gone downhill with a lot of in-fighting between the regulars. HERE and Tracy's blog are much more comfortable. Thank you, Dubya, for providing us a place to, um, rant when needed. ;)
(Now to check out that link...)
Danny said:
All,
This is why I feel the urge to just stay away from politics. The problem I see is how is tax collections best spent? One theory says give it directly to the people(social welfare), the other says give it business(so maybe they will hire more workers, preferably in the United States and preferably American citizens[maybe?]).
I'm of the opinion a balance of the two needs to occur. I could probably write all day about my thoughts on everything, explain why I think it could work, the problem is... my thoughts are all jumbled on everything that it likely isn't going to make alot of sense.
In other, lighter news, last week was hell for me. Major updates to some internal software we use that needed all kinds of testing and coding. So I didn't get to post my article for linked lists, I'll do that tomorrow and maybe something else in addition.
This is why I feel the urge to just stay away from politics. The problem I see is how is tax collections best spent? One theory says give it directly to the people(social welfare), the other says give it business(so maybe they will hire more workers, preferably in the United States and preferably American citizens[maybe?]).
I'm of the opinion a balance of the two needs to occur. I could probably write all day about my thoughts on everything, explain why I think it could work, the problem is... my thoughts are all jumbled on everything that it likely isn't going to make alot of sense.
In other, lighter news, last week was hell for me. Major updates to some internal software we use that needed all kinds of testing and coding. So I didn't get to post my article for linked lists, I'll do that tomorrow and maybe something else in addition.
Wendy said:
Has anyone read the article over on kansas.com about the five year old who was hit yesterday and is in critical condition? Several things disturbed me about this article, and if you read it you will understand why. One, the driver of the vehicle that hit the child stopped, got out, began administering first aid, and then apparently the father of the child began to attack him, so he had to get BACK in his vehicle, drive several blocks away and call 911. Seriously? Your kid is lying injured in the street and you want to attack the person trying to help them??? Regardless of whether or not they caused it - you should be worrying about your CHILD not someone else who is trying to help. And where were YOU when your kid ran in to the street to get hit by a car in the first place??? GRRRR - I get so mad... :) And then, to top that off, the wonderful racist contingent of Wichita is out in full force on the comments sections... Some of the things they said, I mean seriously - it ran the gamut from "it must have been a black kid" to "if i were the dad i would have gone after that idiot too... " i sometimes wish these types of people would crawl back UNDER the rock...
rm6046 said:
The operative sentence in your "rant", Wendy, is "...where were YOU when your kid ran out in the street...?" There are several unanswered questions in that article that do not point to the fault or lack of it of anyone, except the idiot purported to be the "father". Nor are their any references to the race of any of the parties. Idiots come in all sizes, shapes and colors!
lindainks55 said:
I haven't read anything except the few sentences in this morning's paper.
I'm sure there would be strong emotions if any child had just been hit by a car. Sometimes strong emotions cause actions that are aberrant.
Guess we better wait to see if more facts are released before being able to make any reasonable conclusions.
We have a family nearby who bought their small children one of those motorized scooters, very small, like a skateboard only it is motorized and seems to be going at lest 10 - 20 mph. I don't know the family so I'm guessing the kids are between 5 and 8. They allow these kids to ride IN THE STREET. Several times when I've first heard and then seen the kids zipping around the corner where my house is I have looked to see where the adult is (the one who is surely supervising the riding of this motorized vehicle). Haven't seen an adult yet. Sigh.
I'm sure there would be strong emotions if any child had just been hit by a car. Sometimes strong emotions cause actions that are aberrant.
Guess we better wait to see if more facts are released before being able to make any reasonable conclusions.
We have a family nearby who bought their small children one of those motorized scooters, very small, like a skateboard only it is motorized and seems to be going at lest 10 - 20 mph. I don't know the family so I'm guessing the kids are between 5 and 8. They allow these kids to ride IN THE STREET. Several times when I've first heard and then seen the kids zipping around the corner where my house is I have looked to see where the adult is (the one who is surely supervising the riding of this motorized vehicle). Haven't seen an adult yet. Sigh.
Danny said:
My thoughts on this are, some must think that if something bad happens, then there must be an easy lawsuit where 'easy' money can be made. I sometimes wonder, if somewhere in the back of some minds of parents, if people almost hope for something bad to happen so that they can sue. When in reality a little supervision, responsibility, etc could have prevented the said something bad from happening in the first place.
Anyway, I'm going to quit now before I work myself up over this. LOL
Have a good afternoon all.
Anyway, I'm going to quit now before I work myself up over this. LOL
Have a good afternoon all.
lindainks55 said:
My working days were spent in Personnel / Human Resources. There are more than a few people who would like very much to get paid to NOT work. And, they don't want to work hard, plan, save so someday they can become a bum (like me), they want it handed to them. Like mentioned they are always on the lookout for that possible way.
Danny said:
Linda,
I work doing software development. Primarily I work writing software for identity management. However, long story short, I've learned in going school planning, documentation, execution, and closing work pretty well in real life as they do in software development.
I suspect every job does this to some extent, maybe more subtly than others and more pronounced than some. I guess my point is: plan, document, execute, and close(understand what is going right and what is going wrong) and just keep doing that. Doesn't take that long to do and keep updated. Plus it lets me see trends, such as where I'm starting to spend more money at, so I can adjust somewhere else.
I work doing software development. Primarily I work writing software for identity management. However, long story short, I've learned in going school planning, documentation, execution, and closing work pretty well in real life as they do in software development.
I suspect every job does this to some extent, maybe more subtly than others and more pronounced than some. I guess my point is: plan, document, execute, and close(understand what is going right and what is going wrong) and just keep doing that. Doesn't take that long to do and keep updated. Plus it lets me see trends, such as where I'm starting to spend more money at, so I can adjust somewhere else.
Wendy said:
I guess it just makes me mad. When I was in high school and my parents got divorced, my mom moved in to a division over by Raytheon. All times of the day and night there were unsupervised children running around - it was like trying to avoid land mines driving through that neighborhood! I used to get so mad. I remember, there was this one small child in particular - and I do mean SMALL as in still in diapers! - that would be out in the middle of the street and the oldest person around would be another kid around the age of six or so. I can't tell you how many times I wanted to just pick that kid up, take him back to my house, and just call his parents and ask if they knew where he was since they obviously weren't watching him... and if I wouldn't have gotten arrested for kidnapping, I would have done it too! Even at 8 and 9, my niece and nephew are not allowed outside by themselves unless it is in their fenced in back yard, which is visible from every room in the house except the laundry room... and even then, they have to leave the screen door open so their parents can hear them at all times, and they have to have their Great Dane / Lab mix with them or they are not allowed outside...
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